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Rosen. I don't want a short QB, i want a guy with size and Accuracy. Plus the post-snap reads. Some guys, no matter what sport it is, process faster than the average guy.

That is probably how it is going to work with the #1 pick. All points to Rosen being the guy. I think once we hit the combine, that will be cemented. He will perform well and we will ease any concerns he has about being a member of the Browns.

As for Barkley, there is a good chance he will still be there, and we will take him. I'd give that a 50% shot. 20% being someone else will grab him at 2 or 3, and 30% being we decide to go defense and Fitz.

I'd go the other way, with the odds favoring us taking Minkah, with a lesser possibility of taking Saquon. Unless of course Minkah is off the board.

If we've drafted a QB at 1, and someone takes minkah before 4, we probably go DL or trade the pick to a needy QB team, perhaps NY to leapfrog Denver?

I think Rosen's brain is going to scare off our evaluators. I think Darnold will be the guy

If Dorsey and co. decide Rosen is not our pick at one and prefer one of the other QBs I definitely call the Giants up and see what they’re willing to give us for the number one pick, move down one spot. Take the guy we like.


This is assuming Rosen is their guy.....

Maybe, all that is possible. I personally would have a hard time passing on Saquon if he's there and Minkah is off the board, but that's just me.

If the Colts stay at 3 ... there not taking Fitz unless their going to move him to CB ... they drafted Hooker last year ...

They need a RB BIGTIME ..... Luck and Barkley may be just too hard to pass up ...

IF the draft order stays the way it is now ... Fitz has a MUCH BETTER shot of being there for us ...

That's what I'm thinking too. Colts take Saquon. Fitz is there @ #4. Unless, of course, someone jumps into the Colts slot to take Minkah.

Most mocks I've seen have the Colts taking Chubb, with a few taking Barkley.

Don’t forget that the Colts need to protect Luck. He’s been injured for a reason. His line sucks. They could draft Brown to protect his blindside. Or they could move from that spot and still take Brown between the 4th and 7th pick.

I do see the Colts as a willing trade partner for someone with a need at QB. Cards? Donks? Bills?

The Colts pick is going to be a HOT SPOT and they’d be MORONS not to trade down in this draft with all their holes ... there where we were the last 2 years ... a TON of HOLES all over ...

The trade up could be for:

- the 3rd QB ..
- Barkley
- Chubb

To me .. those are the two realistic positional players and the QB thats left out of Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield that teams would trade up for ..

3 is a VERY VERY HOT SPOT ... as 4 could be ... and even 5 ...

Very very interesting ...

Interesting indeed. And yes, you're right, a trade wouldn't have to be for a QB.

I agree that the talent of those non-QB prospects is high enough for a trade up, but I just don't see it going down that way. I think that if a trade happens in the top 5, it's going to be for one of the QBs.

If Barkley is as good as people are saying he is (I'm still worried about pulling a Richardson), then grab him at 4. I'd definitely be happy with Minkah. If those 2 are gone, though... trading down suddenly starts looking really good. I highly doubt this happens, though. At least 1 of the QBs we haven't taken are going to go before the #4 pick, which means we're all but guaranteed Minkah or Barkley. Chubb may be a great player, but we're pretty good on Dline, so the extra picks might be better for the team in the long run.

I really like Chubb, but just watched a bit on him. Is his injury solid?

Get the hype train rolling:



https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/status/961319367328714752

I'm still holding out hope we draft this kid. I don't want another project. I think he is by far and away the best qb in the draft. Accuracy, mechanics, and making reads are huge factors in a qb's success. No one comes close to him in those areas.

I think Rosen is going to be the best QB in this draft class. I think he's the best prospect since Luck, and I'd put him up there with Peyton too. He doesn't quite have the physical tools that Manning and Luck had, but he's also turning 21 in two days. I think he has a lot of command in the pocket and on that offense. He has managed quite a few comebacks or potential comebacks in his short time at UCLA. I think the UCLA players like him a lot and trust in him. I also think his mechanics are flawless and the fact that he's spending time with Tom House this offseason tells me two things: 1) He is very dedicated to his craft. 2) He's rich as hell. Tom House usually works with QBs after they get that NFL money, which leads me to believe that Tom is charging $$$$ for his time. Rosen's dad founded UC Irvine's Spinal Department, so he does come from mad dough. I'm not surprised that he's been able to work a room with the Roony's and Lurie, I would imagine that he was asked to show up at a lot of fundraising events where billionaires and multi-millionaires would be attending. I really want the guy, I think he'll be great. I'm not sure if he has the GOAT mindsets of Kobe and Brady, but I think he kinda does want to tap into it.

You make a really good point. I think this part of Josh Rosen is what people had in mind when they were saying Johnny Manziel would be able to handle the fame because he'd already lived through it at College Station.

I keep remembering back to Manziel, and that argument.

I like that he's going to Tom House. It could be just for the optics (yes, I'm super into football, see?), and if that's the case, kudos to his PR person. Personally, I think he needs to focus more on his body... adding whatever bulk/strength to help him survive an NFL season. But far be it from me to slam a player for putting in time honing his craft.

I like Rosen's takent but he worries me. All the top guys get compared and I keep hearing Jeff George. Fair or not that's what he has to get past.

Now with that said Darnold is just a butt fumble away from being sanchised lol

Don't players' agents usually pay for them to workout predraft? I think Tom House has worked with undrafted players before.

Either way, Josh Rosen is the guy we should all want and I agree with most everything you said.

Fixed this for you.

"Either way, Sam Darnold is the guy we should all want"

I think Sam Darnold is the guy we will get. I think Josh Rosen is better and will be better in the pros.

(I also think that if Sam Darnold hits his peak he will be better than almost everyone.)

I think they front them the money predraft. Some might pay for it a little bit. I guess it really depends. But, from some quick google research, it looks like none of the QBs drafted in the first two rounds worked with House before the draft. Kizer worked with him after he was drafted (I wonder Whue set that up) and Goff started working with him last offseason. I wonder if Hue will get some insider knowledge before the draft. I think Darnold will unfortunately be our guy, but what if House gives a glowing review of Rosen? It'll be interesting to see.

Didn't Manziel work out with House prior to his draft?

Edit: Woops, not Tom House. My bad.

It was George Whitfield I believe.

Yeah, I tried to rush back to correct that, but you beat me to it.

I thought it was Johnnie Walker.

I kinda disagree with that notion.

You're suggesting moving UP for a RB. Can't see it. A CB? Can't see that either. Chubb? Nah. He's no Garrett.

Darnold and Rosen go 1-2. I'm thinking Indy is selling the next QB.

Who LOVES Allen or Mayfield? Denver? Jets? Buffalo? Zona?

I like both Rosen and Darnold too. I favor Darnold simply because of Rosen's concussion issues but if our FO people are ok with that I have no problem with us drafting him.

I agree with this. If Rosen is the guy, he passed all of the tests. My biggest worry are the concussions. If not, I'll be happy if we get Darnold. If we go with Allen or Mayfield then that's a sign that the first two guys both had red flags.

I think Rosen and Darnold will have equatable careers, the only difference is that I see is that Rosen is a day 1 starter and gives you a clear 5 year time table to build a super bowl team around him. With Darnold you might have to wait a year for him to really get the game and change his form.

I prefer Darnold because of his superior leadership qualities and he doesn't have as bad an injury history.

Hogs Haven, SB Nation's official Washington Redskins blog, is claiming to have heard that the Bills are trying to work out a trade with the Giants so they can move to #2 and select Josh Rosen.

Probably nonsense but I'm just going to assume it's true because we'll sign A.J McCarron and select Barkley before trading down from #4 and selecting a kicker.

I can't do the offseason man, I swear our team hates us.

anything is possible this time of year.

I can see the Browns signing AJ McCarron but if they do I also see them doubling down on the position at either #1 or #4. Rosen, Darnold, and Allen. One will be there at #4 if the Browns take Barkley #1.

If Rosen, Darnold, or Allen absolutely WOW the FO and they become sold on one of them they will take them #1 without a doubt.

I am sure they will work many different scenarios between now and the draft.

Do you have some inside info that states Darnold is a better leader than Rosen?