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2 years and hasn't produced almost anything outside of his first game. I think it's very fair to call him a bust.

The drop to seal an 0-16 season, can anyone even come back from that? A change of scenery might do him some good.

I urge you to go view some of Coleman's highlights...

In two years, Coleman has been thrown to 131 times, he's caught 56 of them and dropped 6. That means 69 of the intended passes have been poor passes.

I think it's absurd that people want to label him a bust after 18 games. I really have no idea how that's possible when we've had the quarterbacks we've had. You get him a quarterback, he's 1000 YD receiver all day long...

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The best ability is availability. Coleman misses too many games and practices. He has not shown much when he has played. Can't count on him.

I think 2018 is "show us or pack" season IMO. He has not produced much, hardly a leader, some liability when around Britt. If we get much of anything offered for him, I would consider it, and I think Dorsey is tuned into his performance on and off the field.

I want to see what he can do with the new OC. Light it up or pack. He may have already outstayed his welcome IMO. I would love to have him bust my chops and over-achieve this year.

Coleman hasn't shown much that makes you justify where he was drafted.
I don't think he shown that desire that he wants to be elite
He's gotten paid. He's well off.
In this day and age 1st Rd rookies are expected to provide impact sooner
Than later
It happens all over the league. Schuster in Pittsburgh
The CB in Buffalo. Marcus Lattimore...Carl Lawson ...all stepped in made plays right out the gate
But this is Cleveland. We aren't allowed to call guys busts until they have played 4 years in the league.
Following a traditon of rookie busts since 1999.
Coleman is a bust pure and simple
He was handed a starting job and when healthy has done little to secure it.

I hope your better
I just woder if Coleman has that kind of work ethic
You know first in last to.leave attitude
I think a veteran wr signed in free agency could help.Coleman play and practice like a pro.

jc

No we should not ditch Coleman.

Give the kid some time.

Also, who are you going to replace him with?

Unless there is someone one better, gotta hang onto him.

No now that we have an OC that knows how to develop players he should improve this season.

I agree. I would keep him. He's been hurt and we've had a bad QB situation in his 1st 2 years. Give him another chance with all our new O coaches and a new QB.

Too early to cut, I agree.

jc


Well, we judged him as first round talent and we were WRONG. Or were we...

For the NFL, Coleman is a speed receiver to challenge teams vertically. He has the quickness to get open and take the top off of defenses. Coleman would make for a dangerous slot receiver who would work really well with a big receiver on the outside. Against weaker cornerbacks, Coleman could demand some safety help over the top to prevent big plays. He has a nose for the end zone and is dangerous to take receptions to the house.

In speaking with sources, they see some issues that Coleman needs to work on as he gains experience. They say that while he is quick, he is not all that sudden or explosive for the next level. They feel that his runs after the catch were good for college football, but they suspect that it won't be as good in the NFL. A big issue that some team sources see with Coleman is his route-running and lack of development. At Baylor, Coleman only ran four routes: a hitch, a slant, a post and a go. Thus, he will need to learn more routes for the NFL. Team sources also say that Coleman drops a lot of balls. Thus, he is more of a developmental project than is commonly thought.

In the 2016 NFL Draft, Coleman could go as high as the back half of the first round to early in the second round.

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2016ccoleman.php#3wT1x0ZIgRDvCsTd.99


Have we done our job with the development of Coleman? You definitely judge Coleman on what he is today. If the coaching staff feels he has the talent and commitment, the last two years mean jack. Injuries, a revolving door at QB, an anemic offense, they all played roles.

He's shown signs of being electric. Funny, the scouting report paints a picture of a WR that could have great success in the slot with a large WR (Gordon) on the outside. Entirely possible.
It also paints a picture of a WR that was rough enough around the edges that he definitely was a "project". Did Corey Coleman fail or has the Corey Coleman Project failed?

I keep him...
on a short leash.

I would not cut Coleman unless he is a locker room cancer.

With that said, this guy sure gets a lot of excuses attached to his name. While some of those things are true, Coleman deserves his share of criticism because his route running is poor, he drops too many passes, he hasn't made enough big plays to offset his weaknesses.

The dude needs to step-up his game this year. Big time.

Dorsey will need and probably has a list of "show me" players. They have started out of loyalty from coaches, regardless of performance. They probably represented the best we had in crappy roster spots, so they played week in and week out regardless. Coleman and Kizer and a certain CB we know are probably representative of this list. At 0-18, a number of our guys should go, and would be gone on other teams.

Coleman was overrated at least somewhat IMO and has yet to be used as I thought he should.
But since he was chained to Kizer and Hue's game handling, he doesn't get all blame.

Show me showdown in '18.

Yo Tony..... shut the hell up and give the kid another year before you start throwing dirt on his grave.

https://twitter.com/jake_burns18/status/945649044247994368

Video of two weeks worth of Coleman targets.

Coleman gets open, then Kizer is just way way way too late with the ball. Even the balls Coleman catches Kizer's throws were awful.

Sounds like off season idle talk.

They can't count on him as a #1-2 receiver....but its worthwhile to see if he can rebound.

Not done with Coleman.

This video is a microcosm of why it is tough to accurately judge many of our WRs. Yuck.

When he flashes, he looks like Steve Smith don't @ me

Thanks for the video. It shows that Coleman clearly doesn't get separation.

As I said, it's true that poor play at QB has hurt him, but the guy has a ton of issues that are all his own.

Can't he be arrested for that?

Maybe we should consider the thread, "Are the Browns done with Kizer?"

Looking at that video if someone offers me a 3rd round pick for Kizer I'm taking it.

He's the one we should move on from...

After seeing the video, not much separation, horrible ball placement and factor in the amount of injuries Coleman has had and the amountof bad passes to other WRs from Kizer... my conclusion is they both suck and will be on the team this coming season with reduced roles/expectations.

I've heard from so many Browns fans that when they watch other teams play it's like they are watching a different sport. The reason for that is in the past 20 years we haven't had very good quarterback play.

Coleman is fine. Let's get our quarterback this year in the draft. A better quarterback will make a big difference. Many will be surprised.

He's fine for a 4th round pick, maybe, not #15 overall. A new QB isn't going to help his glass hamstrings and bones made of cheap plastic, and him not ever playing, practicing or really honing his route running skills isn't going to help a QB either. Vet or rookie. Good or bad.

Coleman is a subject that is in the back of my mind when I think/hope of us getting better. I really look down at the selection and feel the pick is close to a wasted one. Coleman has another crap year, or goofs off in practice - then I see John giving him the bird on the way out and moving on without a blink of the eye.

Haley talked a lot about developing Brown into an elite receiver. I wonder what his plans for Coleman are.

He has not shown the speed and quickness that he supposedly possesses.

J/C ... I am not saying to dump the guy before camp ..... but I think that he really has to show up in this coming training camp, or he could well be on the way out.

He really hasn’t had a decent vet to show him the adjustments he needs to make to playing WR in the NFL either.

His salary isn't prohibitive, bring him into camp, hopefully with a veteran QB, and see what he can do.. if somebody beats him out and really doesn't even earn a roster spot then whatever, let him go. But to cut him without a better option in place would just be silly.

Isn't that what the coaches are for?


I think we focus way too much on Vets and Mentoring. There are instances where they can have major effects.

But vets show with leadership. They give an example of proper preparation. Actual teaching is really the job of the coaching staff. A vet might show a player things that work for them, but a coach's job is to prepare/help players in their development

I think it helps to have both. A vet and coaches. A vet can help translate the work the coaches are doing to the field.

That video shows some very poor route running. Rounded lazy cuts at the top of the routes, runs a half circle instead of jab step. Who is coaching this guy?

Those bad throws were on some wide open plays. ugh

Part of my gripe, I guess. After all the jawbone, we got worse, like this. I expect a few things to improve, to get coached up and worked out. We failed to do that IMO. We have enough bloody coaches. Fix the fools or keep them off the field. We kept the wrong folks at 0-18; whether it was coaches, players, or FO is open to debate. But fix one thing a week, one route, one technique, sumpthin!

More vets is much indicated.

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Trying to make Coleman great just because Kizer wasn't is weird. Coleman hasn't been what we needed him to be. What we expected him to be.

We were supposed to be getting a blazing fast receiver with a chip-on-his-shoulder mentality and a physical brand of football that saw him outplay his size limitations.

He just hasn't been that. Cherry picking the worst of Kizer, especially when Coleman hasn't made it work with any of the Browns quarterbacks, shouldn't change the fact that Gordon, Higgins and Louis have all fared better than Coleman.

Compare how much time a player spends with Coach versus veteran teammates.

You decide?

I agree again. Putting all the blame on the QBs is irresponsible and deceitful.

Our QBs have been horrid, but Pryor put up over 1,000 yards w/the same guys that Coleman had throwing to him as a rookie.

I am NOT giving up on him and I think it would be unwise to cut him [unless he is a locker room cancer,] but the guy has been disappointing considering his draft status. He needs to improve his game in a huge way.