DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Credit where credit is due...Word for Word.. Trump met with students.

Huge Kudos to Trump for having this sit down with Students and parents in the WH live on TV. Good job!

I agree that this time, he deserves credit.

But remember something, Trump makes a habit of saying something "in the moment" then he head fakes the believers.

I'll give him credit for the meeting, I'll give him even more if he keeps his word..

To be fair, I'll verbally abuse him if he doesn't fight for this like he did for a tax cut for the wealthy.

KIDS: We don't want guns in our schools

TRUMP: (looks down at piece of paper that says "I hear you") I hear you

*next day*

TRUMP: We should arm teachers

I see changes are already in the works as the President ran some ideas past the NRA and the NRA has agreed to back them.

-Raising the age limit for purchase.
-Ban the Bump Stock.
-Better background checks.

These were a few of the things I heard were discussed.

We already know that doesn't work.

We know what works. No guns or weapons of any kind. Metal detectors. No Cell phones. Entry and exit mental and physical check points before, during, and after school. Basically what inner city schools have been doing for years now.

So what has to happen now is for main street mostly white American public schools is to catch up what these inner city schools have been doing for years.

Basically running schools like a prison as Swish says, which is what inner city and minority students have been dealing with. Time for all schools to get with it and do what they've been doing to protect their inner city and minority children. All those less diversified schools across the country are perfect soft targets for these lunatics to do their killing in.

Yea, I saw that meme on Twitter too...

I also saw folks posting on Twitter that prior to this meeting all attendees were being vetted to make sure none would "[censored] off" Trump.. looks like that was BS as well..

I assure you there is 100x more diversity in my daughters suburban school than in most of the urban schools you are talking about... 98% black is not diversified.

I think people are taking it a bit too far - notes are totally normal for public speaking.

But having to write down "I hear you" because you're incapable of feeling empathy and your brain has congealed into oatmeal is really something.

How about running these ideas past congress....
"Freeing up funds for mental health"
"Funding grass root school programs that have proven to prevent suicide and mass shootings"

For a president that is on the record for saying it's not a gun issue it's a mental health issue, he's really missing the mark by running ideas past the NRA right now.

I love that you're gullible enough to believe a man with a sixth-grader's knowledge on any and every policy is presenting talking points to the NRA and not the other way around.

Well good for them.

Do they have metal detectors? Entry/exit check points? Are they required to turn over their cell phones at the entry/exit check point?

Trump just proposed that we develop a ratings system for movies to keep young kids from seeing violent films.

I can't stop laughing.

j/c

As of now 18 states allow for teachers to carry guns. 32 states do not allow teachers to carry guns in schools.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/guns-in-schools-firearms-_n_2482168.html

When I was in school there are only a hand full of teachers I would have trusted to carry a gun in my school. For the sake of everyone involved, if they follow this line of thinking I certainly hope they select and properly train the right ones.

I also hope they are willing to compensate those teachers in some monetary manner. I don't believe combat pay is currently factored into their salary.

Does it have to be a "train and arm" situation or is it just a matter of letting those who already own one and have the credentials to carry to bring it to school?

Maybe it's just my small town upbringing but I can guess that 80% of my male teachers hunted and owned guns already.

Is the thought here that we need 50 armed teachers in the building or is that if you walk in here with a gun, you don't know which teachers or how many might be armed?

40: The president is presenting his ideas to the NRA, let's see how this goes...

Trump: We should have some sort of rating system for movies, so young kids can't see violent movies.

40: Check out this article about tumors

I haven't seen anything on the last 2 yet (bump stock was addressed by the NRA after Vegas), but the NRA has already rejected raising the age limit.

No, I believe it certainly would have to be train and arm. You can get a CCW VERY easily! It certainly gives you zero tools to be equipped in a mass shooter situation. I'm an avid gun owner and uphold the second amendment. But I certainly know people who have CCW's I wouldn't even want to carry agun in my house much less protecting children at school.

No, a mass shooter situation has to be heavily trained for. It's not your average, somebody is trying to car jack me situation. There is mass hysteria all around you with children moving around in different directions while in panic mode. It's a very specialized situation.



I'll simply refer to me post above. I'll bring this to a more personal level. I've hunted, been a target shooter with multiple weapons. I'm actually a very good shot with shotguns, rifles and pistols. I've been a hunter since the age of 13. There is zero chance I would take on the responsibility of a mass shooter situation without additional training.

The most logical option to me would be to hire retired combat veterans. If not, you're going to need to train the hell out of however you choose.



I don't really know the answer to that. I think you need enough armed people to protect the school, but at some point the more bullets you have flying from different directions, the less safe that situation becomes.

Either way, nobody in the student body should know which teachers are armed if that's the route they take. I actually believe arming teachers is a terrible idea.

Just because some teachers already own and use guns doesn't mean they would make decent security officers. Teachers have enough to do in schools teaching. Not to mention that guns can be stolen, taken away by overwhelming force, or possible accidental discharge.

I know of 2 schools in this area that have armed 'employees'.

Neither school district has stated how many, though. It might be 1 teacher, or janitor, or principal per building, or it might be 10 per building. No one (other than the school board, etc) knows.

Qualifications:

- be able to educate and understand the students in your classroom.
- design and implement training tools in order for your students to succeed on testing.
- be willing to shoot your .45 at one of the kids, possibly one of your own students, who is shooting at other students.

raisign the age limit is idiotic. its 21 already for handguns. rifles and shotguns are used for hunting, so you are telling a legal adult - "well your a legal adult and are allowed to hunt, your just not allowed to hunt with a gun?"

it also says - "well, us liberals don't care if you want to give your life for your country, but we don't want you being able to protect your family or yourself"

FYI - the car that 18 year old is driving, kills more people than gun violence every year - yet they do not want to raise that age. Its stupid.

That's half true. It depends on the state. Some states, your right - it is easy. Try to get one in NY or IL, heck even here in WV I had to take take an online class (NRA PHASE I) followed by in person 4 hour class, followed by range time. All of that, just to be able to APPLY for the permit. It was then a 4 week waiting period while they ran a background check (this is a very republican state mind you).

I will say, that the classes I took were very productive, and very informative. So you again you are half wrong.

Good think we have that constitution - and our rights are not left up to Pitt's personal opinion on people

Completely agree with you on this. And I actually prefer more police and security being armed - before we go down the teacher road. However - I believe IF a teacher wants to carry in school, they should have that right. **But I agree, heavy testing, training, and certification should be required.

Well, I don't think its safe to say what anyone would do in that situation. I like think I would be like that football coach and give my life to save others, but unless you are in it - we don't know. I do know I train with my firearm for it, and that gives me an advantage in leaning toward that way - but fortunately for me, I have not the need to find out. I will however do my best to be prepared for it.

Just because you have people armed doesn't mean "bullets are going to be flying in every direction". There first directive will be protect and secure the children they can. the second directive would be to engage the shooter if they see him. it wouldn't be 20 people standing in a circle shooting off guns at nothing.

Again, I don't PREFER this idea, but it has worked in other countries - very successfully. Israel comes to mind offhand. But at this point - no options for security should be off the table.

What about the teachers that are combat vets btw, people are acting like teachers are fumbling idiots. Give them some more credit. Just like the rest of the population, some should carry, and some should not.

Who I allow in my home with carrying a weapon is most certainly left up to my opinion because I'm quite able to disarm them and it is my property. Like it or not.

If the idea that raising the age to 21 to exercise a right because 18 year old don’t have the emotional and mental capacity to be involved with firearms,then do they have the mental capacity to weigh in on elections or have enough development to enlist....if you raise the age to buy a 22LR to 21...then voting and military service must follow.

Everyone who has not been extensively trained in active shooter situations has the possibility to end up being a bumbling idiot in such a situation.

I said combat veterans. Where the hell does it say that couldn't possibly be a teacher?

It sounds like I'm a little more concerned with the people we would have protecting our children being a little better prepared for the job than you are.

And if you don't, the drinking age should be lowered to 18. If you're old enough to carry an automatic weapon and die for your country, you're old enough to drink a beer in that same country.

You're killing the messenger. I simply posted the NRA's response to Trump's consideration of raising the age.

Your reply literally had nothing to do with what i said. good job. Second time today you are trying to start a argument with no reason. im starting to wonder about you....

How exactly do you train for a mass shooting scenario with your firearm ? Are you Leo ? Just curious .

Bot? Putin would be proud.

I commented on it yesterday, but I'm still laughing that a guy who's so simple that he gets tricked into sending money to a 14 year old neo-Nazi tries to make jokes about rubes getting tricked on the internet by bots.

I would take a heavily trained proficient shooter with a handgun over some random guy with a AR any day of the week. You obviously have no idea how hard it is to hit a target, let alone a moving one - let alone if you have not spent time learning and training to do so.

Your obsession with 40 is getting odd. Once again, you need assistance.

Remember last week when you tried to make the ridiculous argument that Trump isn't racist, and then when you found yourself unable to explain why it wasn't racist when Trump tweeted out a racist graphic from a white supremacist website, you melted down and went on a "you, sir" temper tantrum where you claimed you were no longer going to respond to me?

By the way, here's the racist graphic again-

Bot?

You should ask yourself that the next time you're about to post obvious made up nonsense like "Obama holds military coup" from some virus-infested website that preys on rubes.

I am only questioning your programming as you repeat the same insults over and over and over again.

I do think we humans get it by now, you hate Trump and attack anyone who likes Trump.

Perhaps Putin would like to change the program.

Maybe something on Obsessive Compulsiveness. You could hate people with that.

I specifically remember we had this discussion where I pointed out link and facts, and you still have not answered any of the questions poised to you - you simply keep deflecting instead of answering. Honestly, bub your beneath everyone on this board and not really worth to even acknowledge anymore.