J/C While everyone goes back and forth about 2nd amendment rights and AR-15 and gun control and teachers armed in schools, let me enlighten you as to what has happened in my kids school and some schools around us this week. Tuesday morning, there was a school assembly where all middle school and high schoolers were brought to the auditorium to watch a training video on what to do in case of an active shooter. Then in EVERY single class the rest of the day, they had a "what to do" if there was an active shooter during that class at that time of day. The school is putting on something for the parents next week to inform along with safety officers. Then there was the kid in Massillon who shot himself. That made it to the rest of northeast Ohio within a couple hours. Along with that, there was (1) school in Western Pa where I work that was on lockdown and (4-5) others in the Youngstown area that had some sort of online threat (2 were kids with guns in social media, another was a threat that was supposed to be a joke). Then just looking at the online paper today, there are (2) schools in my area that students were charged by police with inducing panic and another one that was charged with making a threat. These were above and beyond what was listed above. Then getting coffee this morning, a girl I work with said her kids were locked down after "something happened at school" a couple days ago.
We have a school resource officer and a fairly new school-but I never remember this many different "threats" at the same time.
I don't know how kids can concentrate with all this going on and I am sure that in every school there is someone who wants to make a joke out of it and thinks a threat is funny or throwing some loud snap pops down to a lower level is funny, but the kids are really freakin out.
When I went to school all we had to worry about was...
I can't help but imagine what discussion there would be about security if ISIS had infiltrated our Nation and began to systematically attack our schools.
There would be none. We would do whatever it takes to protect our children.
That's a valid point. If this was an external threat or even an organized threat that we could identify, we would be mobilizing the national guard at every school
Along those lines, here in N.W. Ohio - I believe I mentioned earlier in the thread.
Wauseon - 1 student taken out of school Wed. for threats. Credible enough the arrested him. They arrested 2 more yesterday.
Bryan - 1 arrested earlier this week for threats.
West Unity - 1 arrested for what the police deemed a credible threat.
North Central schools - credible threat.
Toledo schools had 3 incidents this week.
And, just this morning at 5:50 a.m. I got a call from the Archbold schools (now, when I say 'I', it's an alert system that goes out to anyone that has signed up for it - usually used for informing on school delays, cancellations). "Last night Archbold Schools were informed by police of a threat against the h.s. Police investigated and arrested someone, and he is now in custody and incarcerated. We will have school today, with police presence in the building."
Luckily, at this point, all these idiots have been stupid enough to post on social media. (except 1 of them. He made verbal threats that got reported).
Attention seekers? Maybe. If that was the goal, they got attention alright. Serious threats? Maybe.
Trump - quite possibly the most adapt avatar for cowardice in all of American history - just called the armed resource officer at Parkland High School a coward.
'He believed he did a good job': Armed campus cop who resigned in disgrace after hiding from gunman thinks he did his duty by 'calling in location and description of gunman'
I was more commenting on the fact that Trump - a doughy coward with a weakling's temperament - shouldn't really be in the business of judging others in the face of adversity.
It would be like me admonishing someone for having a gambling or eating problem.
I don't think your comparisons are... well, comparable.
17 kids died.
The guard/cop was there to protect the school from something exactly like this. He did exactly the opposite of what he was hired to do. It's not nice to say, but he is indeed a coward and fits the definition to a T.
Coward: a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.
The guard/cop was there to protect the school from something exactly like this. He did exactly the opposite of what he was hired to do. It's not nice to say, but he is indeed a coward and fits the definition to a T.
Coward: a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.
See, on one hand I agree with you. That's what the hell he was there for. On the other hand, what is/was protocol? I don't know.
Is protocol was to wait for backup? Is protocol 'go into the building and find the shooter.' ?
Florida Gov. Rick Scott backs raising age for gun purchases to 21
Florida Gov. Rick Scott said Friday he will work to raise the minimum age for purchasing weapons in his state to 21 years old, marking his first major break from the policy priorities of the National Rifle Association.
Scott announced the proposed gun restrictions nine days after a deadly mass shooting at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., as part of a broad package of legislative initiatives, including new school security measures and a program to deny guns from those deemed to pose a danger to the community.
“I’m an NRA member, a supporter of the Second amendment, and the First amendment, and the entire Bill of Rights for that matter. I’m also a father, and a grandfather, and a governor,” he said. “We all have a difficult task in front of us balancing our individual rights with our obvious need for public safety.”
The proposals he endorsed include a ban on the sale or purchase of so-called “bump stocks,” which can be used to make semiautomatic weapons shoot with the speed of fully automatic weapons. He proposed $50 million in additional funding for mental health initiatives and new funding for trained school security officers.
He also said he would strengthen state laws to prevent the purchase or possession of weapons from any adult “when either a family member, community welfare expert or law enforcement officer files a sworn request, and presents evidence to the court of a threat of violence involving firearms or other weapons.”
He called for funding to provide at least one law enforcement officer at every school as well as money to harden the physical structures of the state’s schools, with additional metal detectors, bullet-proof glass, steel doors, and upgraded locks.
Scott, who is planning for a U.S. Senate campaign this year, stopped short of the demands from surviving students at Stoneman Douglas for a new state ban on assault weapons. “Banning specific weapons and punishing law-abiding citizens is not going to fix this,” he said.
He also declined to endorse proposals for a new waiting period for the purchase of semiautomatic weapons, or the plan backed by President Trump to allow teachers to carry weapons in schools. “I disagree with arming teachers. I think you have to bring in law enforcement,” Scott said.
The swift response, coming in the final weeks of the state’s legislative session, is a dramatic departure for state Republicans, who have spent decades easing gun regulation and giving legal protection to those who use guns in self-defense. No new laws on guns were passed following the 2016 Pulse Nightclub shooting in Orlando, which killed 49, or the 2017 shooting that killed five at the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport.
The NRA said Wednesday that it would oppose any attempt to raise age limits for weapon purchases. “Passing a law that makes it illegal for a 20-year-old to purchase a shotgun for hunting or an adult single mother from purchasing the most effective self-defense rifle on the market punishes law-abiding citizens for the evil acts of criminals,” said NRA spokeswoman Jennifer Baker in a statement.
Under Scott’s plan, there would be exceptions allowing active duty and reserve military and spouses, National Guard members, and law enforcement over the age of 18 to own a gun. While federal law bans those under the age of 21 from buying a handgun, current state law in Florida allows 18-year-olds to purchase rifles, including semiautomatic weapons like the one used in the most recent shooting.
Republican Sen. Bill Galvano, the next Senate president from south Tampa, has been working on similar legislation that he planned to present with House and Senate leaders later Friday. Though he has been a supporter of the NRA’s legislative efforts in the past, Galvano said Thursday that the group’s opposition to raising the age for semiautomatic rifle purchases would not change his focus.
“It doesn’t complicate my efforts,” he said after a committee hearing in the Capitol. “I think the desire to act and do something meaningful right now seems to be what’s going to win the day.”
The guard/cop was there to protect the school from something exactly like this. He did exactly the opposite of what he was hired to do. It's not nice to say, but he is indeed a coward and fits the definition to a T.
Coward: a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.
See, on one hand I agree with you. That's what the hell he was there for. On the other hand, what is/was protocol? I don't know.
Is protocol was to wait for backup? Is protocol 'go into the building and find the shooter.' ?
Well, this article says:
'He believed he did a good job': Armed campus cop who resigned in disgrace after hiding from gunman thinks he did his duty by 'calling in location and description of gunman'
J/C While everyone goes back and forth about 2nd amendment rights and AR-15 and gun control and teachers armed in schools, let me enlighten you as to what has happened in my kids school and some schools around us this week. Tuesday morning, there was a school assembly where all middle school and high schoolers were brought to the auditorium to watch a training video on what to do in case of an active shooter. Then in EVERY single class the rest of the day, they had a "what to do" if there was an active shooter during that class at that time of day. The school is putting on something for the parents next week to inform along with safety officers. Then there was the kid in Massillon who shot himself. That made it to the rest of northeast Ohio within a couple hours. Along with that, there was (1) school in Western Pa where I work that was on lockdown and (4-5) others in the Youngstown area that had some sort of online threat (2 were kids with guns in social media, another was a threat that was supposed to be a joke). Then just looking at the online paper today, there are (2) schools in my area that students were charged by police with inducing panic and another one that was charged with making a threat. These were above and beyond what was listed above. Then getting coffee this morning, a girl I work with said her kids were locked down after "something happened at school" a couple days ago.
We have a school resource officer and a fairly new school-but I never remember this many different "threats" at the same time.
I don't know how kids can concentrate with all this going on and I am sure that in every school there is someone who wants to make a joke out of it and thinks a threat is funny or throwing some loud snap pops down to a lower level is funny, but the kids are really freakin out.
I know exactly what you are talking about (I very close to western pa in WV. I am 5 min from the border). I know the school well.
Hopefully ( I believe it is the case) you have a lot of kids right now just trying to be funny/cool and making fake threats. This is the reason why I am against the media (LEFT AND RIGHT) posting this kids picture on TV 24-7, using the victims as pawns to push agenda etc. It sensualizes it, and you get copy cats or others that think its cool to make fake threats.
Jonathan Martin sent out a picture of a gun with Miami Dolphins and his high school listed on it, with the handles of his former teammates and a message about revenge and suicide.
Hopefully someone is reaching out to do something.
The guard/cop was there to protect the school from something exactly like this. He did exactly the opposite of what he was hired to do. It's not nice to say, but he is indeed a coward and fits the definition to a T.
Coward: a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.
See, on one hand I agree with you. That's what the hell he was there for. On the other hand, what is/was protocol? I don't know.
Is protocol was to wait for backup? Is protocol 'go into the building and find the shooter.' ?
I'm not being sarcastic but I seriously doubt the protocol is "stand outside on the phone with my gun in its holster while kids are being shot"
This is the reason why I am against the media (LEFT AND RIGHT) posting this kids picture on TV 24-7, using the victims as pawns to push agenda etc. It sensualizes it, and you get copy cats or others that think its cool to make fake threats.
I agree. I'm completely blown away by the double standard the media is showing now. They act like it's completely the NRA's fault, that the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply because it was written ages ago, and acting like the NRA and it's supporters don't care about kids and are just in it for the money ...
All while happily broadcasting all kinds of info about the shooter (giving them the desired attention they want, while ensuring the next guy will probably get the same), pocketing all kinds of money while exploiting these kids, and then diving behind the first amendment if anybody calls them out on it.
There are multiple news outlets but they all refer back to the same Instagram post, which is gone... but...
The names on the gun are photoshopped...
and the quote, "When you are a bullying victim and a coward, your only options are suicide, or revenge".. is he calling himself a coward or (if it is true), is it more of a message than a warning?
This is fake, and disgusting to post on this thread. I have searched everywhere and have not seen a single report about this.
disgusting someone on this board would post this drivel.
If you type "google.com" into the search bar, another search bar will appear. Type the name "Johnathan Martin" and then click on the little tab that says "news".
You melted down and ran away because you can't answer how it wasn't racist when Trump posted a racist graphic from a white supremacist website, a question you still continue to dodge, because it's blatantly obvious that posting made up "black crime" stats taken from a white supremacy website is incredibly racist.
I don't think you have room to talk when it comes to deflection.
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student Colton Haab said he was approached by CNN to ask a question at Wednesday night's town hall but decided not to after the network gave him a "scripted question," quashing one he wrote himself. Haab, a member of the Junior ROTC shielded students while the school was under attack from the shooter, said he was going to ask about using veterans as armed security guards. (CNN response below.)
There's more in there, including a denial from CNN.
The kid made up the whole thing, doctoring e-mails.
I don't understand how people in this day and age think this stuff won't come out in the wash.
If you own a gun, it is 20 times more likely that gun will be used on someone you know, or yourself. Not an intruder, not a red coat. I'm not against owning guns, I am against the American trend of gun statistitics.
Weapons lead to destruction. That shouldn't be surprising to you, unless you haven't closely followed the progression of humanity.
If you own a gun, it is 20 times more likely that gun will be used on someone you know, or yourself. Not an intruder, not a red coat. I'm not against owning guns, I am against the American trend of gun statistitics.
Weapons lead to destruction. That shouldn't be surprising to you, unless you haven't closely followed the progression of humanity.
Can you give a time frame on when this will happen? 2 years 5 years 10 years? and can you please provide a link to this stat.
If we examine data from within the United States, the odds aren’t any better for gun owners. The most recent study examining the relationship between firearms and homicide rates on a state level, published last April, found a significant positive relationship between gun ownership and overall homicide levels. Using data from 1981–2010 and the best firearm ownership proxy to date, the study found that for every 1 percent increase in gun ownership, there was a 1.1 percent increase in the firearm homicide rate and a 0.7 percent increase in the total homicide rate. This was after controlling for factors such as poverty, unemployment, income inequality, alcohol consumption, and nonhomicide violent crime. Further, the firearm ownership rate had no statistically significant impact on nonfirearm homicides, meaning there was no detectable substitution effect. That is, in the absence of guns, would-be criminals are not switching to knives or some other weapons to carry out homicide. These results are supported by a host of previous studies that illustrate that guns increase the rate of homicides.
The same thing is true for accidents. States with more guns see more accidental deaths from firearms, and children ages 5 to 14 are 11 times more likely to be killed with a gun in the US compared to other developed countries, where gun ownership is much less common. About half of gun accident fatalities happen to people under 25, and some recent analyses suggest that the official count of gun accident deaths among children is understated.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
If we examine data from within the United States, the odds aren’t any better for gun owners. The most recent study examining the relationship between firearms and homicide rates on a state level, published last April, found a significant positive relationship between gun ownership and overall homicide levels. Using data from 1981–2010 and the best firearm ownership proxy to date, the study found that for every 1 percent increase in gun ownership, there was a 1.1 percent increase in the firearm homicide rate and a 0.7 percent increase in the total homicide rate. This was after controlling for factors such as poverty, unemployment, income inequality, alcohol consumption, and nonhomicide violent crime. Further, the firearm ownership rate had no statistically significant impact on nonfirearm homicides, meaning there was no detectable substitution effect. That is, in the absence of guns, would-be criminals are not switching to knives or some other weapons to carry out homicide. These results are supported by a host of previous studies that illustrate that guns increase the rate of homicides.
The same thing is true for accidents. States with more guns see more accidental deaths from firearms, and children ages 5 to 14 are 11 times more likely to be killed with a gun in the US compared to other developed countries, where gun ownership is much less common. About half of gun accident fatalities happen to people under 25, and some recent analyses suggest that the official count of gun accident deaths among children is understated.
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student Colton Haab said he was approached by CNN to ask a question at Wednesday night's town hall but decided not to after the network gave him a "scripted question," quashing one he wrote himself. Haab, a member of the Junior ROTC shielded students while the school was under attack from the shooter, said he was going to ask about using veterans as armed security guards. (CNN response below.)
There's more in there, including a denial from CNN.
The kid made up the whole thing, doctoring e-mails.
I don't understand how people in this day and age think this stuff won't come out in the wash.
. I wonder which Con put the kid up to it. Funny how they always have to lie to prove their credentials.
Mike Cernovich is this creepy rapist conservative conspiracy theorist who has tried things like this in the past, was plugging the kid hard. But who knows.
