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Again please tell us what it is you're looking for your FS to do on the Browns? On the field, what skill set?

https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/minkah-fitzpatrick-nfl-draft-2018-analysis

110 solo tackles, 174 total tackles, 3.5 sacks, 7 int's, 17 passes defensed

110 solo tackles, 171 total tackles, 5 sacks, 9 int's, 24 passes defensed

which one sounds like the better fit for a free safety?

Not wanting to bash Fitz, but can you guys remember any of Saban's star players that excelled in the NFL?

Jamal Adams or Jabrill for example are not living up to the hype....

Not sure if serious? You could make a all-star team of Saban's players in the NFL.



Jamal Adams? What's wrong with him?

ed was asking two different questions, Jester.

Are you really defending rasta's takes?

Or are you just kidding around?

Again. STOP feeding the Troll.

He's clueless.

And an intelligent person knows the difference between basic words such as ON and IN.

Not sure if serious? You could make a all-star team of Saban's players in the NFL.



Jamal Adams? What's wrong with him?

If a Bama fan is saying that he played strong safety then they don't know Bama football

Well for one, he didn't play for Sabin.
For that matter, neither did Peppers.
And neither did Matheiu

Lmao Minkah is literally playing deep safety multiple times during that Clemson game, but you're going to continue yelling about how he plays slot cb or SS. We get that you like Barkley, but there's no reason to lie about Minkah's ability.

He's a troll.

Maybe. Could just be a guy who doesn't know the difference between FS and SS.

Not wanting to bash Fitz, but can you guys remember any of Saban's star players that excelled in the NFL?

Oh, you meant DBs that play the 'star position' in Saban's secondary. When you just say star players well it seems like you mean star players. That's why i was think wtf? Saban's star players have gone on to have success in the NFL.


But if you meant DBs that play the 'star' position i gotta take you at your word.

Jamal Adams,a player you pointed out although he didn't play for Saban, had a good rookie season btw.

https://www.rollbamaroll.com/2017/4/6/15209632/alabama-spring-football-2017-alabama-safety-corps

Alabama Spring Football 2017: Alabama safety corps is in great shape, three top contributors return

Eddie Jackson is a loss, but this is a great group of players.

Going into Fall 2016, OWB had this to say about the loss of Maurice Smith and Shawn Burgess-Becker

While Burgess-Becker was still climbing the depth ladder, there’s no reason to believe that he would have been a steady contributor to the safety rotation in 2016, even barring injury to the presumed start Eddie Jackson.

Despite the attrition, however, Alabama is in decent shape in regard to its safety rotation. Sure, depth is never a bad thing, but with the starting tandem Alabama will field this fall, the heart of the secondary will be in able hands.

That words would be prophetic: Eddie Jackson was lost for the season’s stretch run, and Minkah filled his starting FS spot, moving up from Star to captain the secondary. Shawn Burgess-Becker would not have been starting with the eventual All-American Fitzpatrick on the same field.

Now, in Spring 2017, there are questions as always about the two-deep, and what players will shake out at what position, but this is not an area of concern: The talent and depth and experience are there, as are promising young players. Next year may be a different story as a youth movement emerges, but for today this is a great core group of veterans.

Who’s Gone?
Eddie Jackson (FS)

What can be said about Eddie Jackson that hasn’t already been written? He was the captain of the secondary, an All-American in 2015, was on an All-American campaign in 2016 at both safety and punt returner. Still, his loss affected communication more than performance by the defense. While Alabama was able to escape the back third of its schedule without facing an elite passing game, when the rubber hit the road, his loss was very much felt in Tampa on a night when the secondary played far too many downs, gave up far too many plays, and were generally out of sync and suffered from communication breakdowns. Jackson doesn’t have the physical skills of Minkah, but his leadership was missed that evening.

Who’s Returning?
Hootie Jones (Sr. SS)

Hootie is the enforcer in the secondary. Like Landon Collins, he is a bigger DB with a nose for making tackles in the running game. He doesn’t have the best instincts of the safeties in the passing game, but he makes up for it with physicality and above-average coverage ability which put him in position to make a play. He participate in all 15 games last season, recording 20 tackles (16 solo) and 5 PBUs.

Ronnie Harrison (Jr. SS)

Ronnie Harrison epitomizes a risk-reward defensive back and was almost the forgotten man last season with just how good Fitzpatrick. Harrison nevertheless had a season was almost as good, or better, than Minkah’s. He recorded 85 tackles (56 solo;) 7 PBUs; forced a fumble, recovered a fumble and then returned it 55 yards for a score; had 2 INTs (returning one for a TD;) 1.5 TFLs; 2 QB hurries; and blocked a punt for good measure. He hits like a safety should hit and is just always around the play. That said, he does have coverage lapses and his ball skills could be better, having dropped several sure-picks the last two years. Harrison is somewhat vulnerable when put in man coverage against the slot, but that is an acceptable tradeoff for his big play potential. Harrison’s ceiling is still rising as he learns to play more consistently.

Minkah Fitzpatrick (Jr. FS)

Talk about earning your honors, Fitzpatrick (2nd Team All-American) did it all at Alabama last season, and he did it well: 6 interceptions for 186 yards; 2 TDs (including a surreal 109-yarder against Arkansas;) 1 FF; 5 TFLs; 66 Tackles (41 solo) and 7 PBUs. Minkah is the smartest and most athletic player on the field. His skills are so sui generis that you’d have to combine the best of several Alabama safeties to find his combination of guttiness, instinct, playmaking ability, physicality, ball skills and leadership. He will captain the secondary and very likely the entire defense. Enjoy him this final year in Tuscaloosa, folks: He’s already being touted as a high First Rounder in next year’s NFL draft.

Deionte Thompson (RS-Jr. FS)

Some players in the Alabama system require a little seasoning before they are field-ready. More often than not, we see it in the secondary, where Alabama runs a complicated defense that requires the development of a lot of press-man skills and football IQ that takes years to truly master. Deionte is one such player who is easing into a larger role as he is learning the defense. He has the physical and mental skills to succeed, or is at least progressing well in developing them. Coaches have singled out his growth this Spring. At this point is he just lacking the reps to be an integral contributor. But, Thompson should get those reps this season. He appeared in 14 games last season, recording 9 tackles.

Jared Mayden (So. CB/Money/Safety)

Mayden showed Alabama fans a lot of promise despite his meager stat line (1 tackle, 1 PBU). Like Fitzpatrick and Tony Brown, he is a true utility DB. Though a corner in high school, he was recruited as a safety at Alabama. He saw time at nearly every position in the secondary before settling in at Money rover and Star CB on the defensive rotation. He played in 11 games last season, mostly in mop-up duty, but he also played a good bit against Chattanooga and Mississippi State. Mayden has very good coverage skills and equally competent tackling for a player this early in his development. He has a future in the defense, but it probably at corner rather than safety. He was covered in-depth last week with the corners.

Incoming
Chadarius Townsend: He was a running back in high school, and was thought to project as a safety. However, he but will most likely eventually land as a roving corner when it’s all said and done. We covered Chadarius with the corners, because who knows where to put a guy with this many skills. I don’t think he’s a safety this season. This year he will most likely practice with the special teams and as a scout team extra corner.

Xavier McKinney (early enrollee)

The 4-star out of Roswell, Georgia is known as a play-making enforcer in the defensive backfield, a la Mark Barron and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. Given his skills set, he projects well at either safety spot, maybe even corner given his balls skills and speed (verified 4.59.) McKinney is also a competent return man, especially in kickoff returns. I think reserve Free Safety or Money is the most likely place for McKinney and probably where he sees time on the field this year.

Daniel Wright (early enrollee)

Like McKinney, Wright is a hitter with excellent ball skills. He does an excellent job tracking the ball and making plays. He is not the fastest DB out there (4.71 actual,) but Daniel makes up for it with his coverage skills, good closing speed, excellent footwork and fluid hips. He does not very often look as though he’s trying to find the ball — he knows where it is. He may see time on special teams, but, like McKinney, he will vie for some mop up duty this year.

Projected Depth Chart

FS: Minkah Fitzpatrick / Deionte Thompson / Xavier McKinney

SS: Ronnie Harrison / Hootie Jones / Daniel Wright

Money Safety/Corner: Deionte Thompson / Xavier McKinney

First off the bench: Hootie Jones / Deionte Thompson

Freshman most likely to see the field: Xavier McKinney

You're literally out here comparing Malik Hooker and Troy P. Also, I've stated many times that Star is not the FS position, but you have called it "slot corner" a ton. Also Money and Star are two different positions.

How about this, rasta. If we all agree w/you that Fitz sucks and has never once played FS and will never be able to play FS in the future................will you shut the hell up?

Gettin' kinda heated in here!

I hate to be the one to say this but you guys and gals do realize both sides of the argument are correct in their way, yes?

Starting near the end of 2016, Fitz transitioned to a more flexible piece and subsequently, as best I can tell from watching the cut-ups lined up at a traditional FS I believe 2 or 3 out of some 40 odd snaps. No where near what would be expected of a traditional FS. Prior to that transition (the early to mid 2016 cut-ups), he lined up in the more traditional FS assignment (Off the line or deep or coming into the weak side slot) about 60% of the time (yes some of that was to pick up the aforementioned slot or TE-- still a FS assignment for most teams).

Ultimately, I feel it should come down to where and how he fits with the current defense. I for one like the fit. Assuming Peppers' best position remains as a Strong Safety/ Nickel linebacker that many of us would like to see, the need for a flexible Free Safety/ Nickle Corner increases as to offset the overall pass coverage abilities of the defense.

That alignment would leave Boddy-Cahlhoun as the traditional nickle back and move Kindred the the nickle safety (I'm fine with that as he is the teams best natural blitzer by far).

Ultimately, it would create an exceptionally versatile backstop for the defense (almost 2/3rds of defensive snaps are taken in a form of the nickle or dime package these days anyway and getting the depth chart "nod" as a starter is meaningless if your snap count is trash).

Then again...there's the question of the two "starting" CB's....hmmm...

Rookie CB's usually struggle so I'll save that for a FA debate.


I tell ya...you guys do like to go at it

ed was asking two different questions, Jester.

Are you really defending rasta's takes?

Or are you just kidding around?

I must have misunderstood what rasta was saying.
Or I was completely unclear with my statement


I thought he said that Sabin's players didn't perform well in the NFL
Then I thought he proceeded to name a bunch of Sabin's players to illustrate that point.

I was pointing out that the players he listed didn't actually play for Sabin.
So I didn't get his point of why he listed them.

j/c...
I think peen can attest to this.
I stated that Fitz will play CB if taken he has the speed to be a cover corner. Also I think he has the football intelligence to be a very uniqe FS. We might start out using him at CB then Switching to FS. Personally I want Barkley but if Fitz is the consolation prize then its a win/win situation.