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Exactly, well said!!

I agree Tab.. talk of one of these guys will be left for us at four..makes my head spin.
I would bet large that the front office has ONE QB in mind for their system and no way in heck do they sit there and say..well we all really like this guy and hes our concensus franchise QB pick, BUT.. we could settle for this other shumck and try to fall in love with him.

WE HAVE TO GET COUSINS.....

Yeah, I mean I don't pretend to know how the Browns grade out these QBs so I am just going by my own opinion on them. I think all four will be good QBs. They all have flaws and problems and they all have great potential.

I also haven't given up on Kizer. I think it's a bit too early to count him out yet. I mean he did get better as the season went on. to me he is a rookie who had a rookie year. Do I have high hopes? No not really. Still there is always a chance he makes that leap during the offseason. Still he has a year under his belt and he has all offseason to improve himself. It will be interesting to see if this draft makes him crumble or if it makes him step up to the plate.

In either case I don't think Saquan makes it past the giants at #2 and certainly not past the colts. That just my opinion though.

I’ve got no problem with trading down, if Dorsey thinks it’s worth it. I’ll wait to see what happens.

First of all, you guys clamoring to trade down and get 1st round picks in 2019 and 2020 need to start realizing something that is coming REALLY SOON.

We are going to be up against the wall with guys that will become Free Agents SOON. Then it becomes a YEARLY thing.

We've had the luxury of not needing the Cap Space to re-sign very much. But it's coming sooner than you think.

Then comes the HUGE QB Contract that we haven't had for YEARS.

I can see it coming. Guys like MAC are sitting in the back just waiting to JUMP our ASS because we let someone hit FA and we didn't KEEP our OWN.

We WILL NOT be able to re-sign all these high picks in the future. IMPOSSIBLE.

Take the damn QB at 1 and one of Barkley Fitz Chubb at 4 and move on.

We CANNOT risk taking Barkley at 1 and wait for the QB at 4.

I'm eliminating Mayfield due his size AND Allen due to his innacurate nature AND this throwing shoulder thing that has come to light.

So we take Barkley at 1. NY goes Rosen. Now Darnold is sitting there for Indy to mortgage off to Denver, Jets, Arizona, Buffalo.

We just SCREWED ourselves.

I can agree with that. All of this talk stems from the Dorsey comments.

I am not a proponent of trading the #1 pick, but a smart person or team would consider it....everything has a price.

If the Broncos at #5 were talking to us and the Giants liked a guy, why would they not think of a trade up?

As I see it, we can get a good QB at #4, and we wouldn't be dropping down past the Jets pick at #6.

I am not going to argue what we could get for a drop of 4-5 slots, but I know for sure we could get those teams 2nd rounder this year and first rounder next year.

That would give us four 2nd round picks this year....we could package 2-3 of those to get back in to the first round this year.

Looking back, Sashi had his faults, but stocking picks wasn't one of them. I like it and would like to see us do that for another year or two.

Same holds if we stick to keeping the #1 pick and take whoever. That pick at 4 will be hinge point in this draft when it comes to QB's. The Jets are going to go hard for that pick, forcing the Broncos to get in to the action. Both of those teams seek a QB.


LOL...I am starting to talk myself in to keeping #1 and trading #4. We could probably get near as much in trade value based on the demand for the slot and only drop 1-2 positions. We'd still get a 2nd this year and a 1st next year.


Hmmm....I'll have to think about this for a while.

Denver's options are Cousins or trade with the Browns to move up to #1. Make the trade.

Almost everyone in the world thinks you can't take Mayfield at 1, or trade up to take him. If true the Broncos are going after Rosen or Darnold.

If the giants take the other or Barkley at 2, then at 3 no one is trading up to draft Mayfield because that's been the consensus of most here. Colts trade #3 for darnold or rosen or draft Barkley.

That leaves Mayfield at 4 and Fitzpatrick at 5 all the while adding a future draft pick. We still get the guys we want.

Make the trade.

j/c:

People are assuming that all 4 or 5 QBs are equal. I don't think that they are close to being equal. If the Browns think that one of these guys is the best, they will take him.

j/c


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Benjamin Allbright reported a couple of months ago that Elway called just to see what the price tag would be. It's probably just another team doing the "due diligence" but I don't think it's fake news or anything.

I bet Dorsey knows exactly who he would take at #1. There's no sense of telling that to the world, and no harm in listening to offers.

Here's a (perhaps too optimistic) scenario:
The Broncos or Jets call about the #1 pick, and make their best offer. Dorsey listens and politely declines, and takes Darnold (or whoever is his #1) instead.

The #4 pick comes up, and the guy the Broncos or Jets wanted at #1 still happens to be on the board. Dorsey calls them back and makes the same offer, albeit for #4 instead of #1.

Like I said... perhaps too optimistic, but it could be a starting point for negotiation.

Regardless of what the charts say, the strategy is about adding as many quality players as soon as possible. Trading only has value if it involves additional picks for this year.

Luckily, or unluckily, we live in a world where not all the high picks will pan out.

I think It's likely that Giants take Saquon and the Colts take Chubb at DE. If we take Saquan at #1 then I believe either Rosen or Darnold will still be there.

Unless they actually take one of them, and or someone trades up to grab one or both. That's one hell of a Gamble.

The Giants need OL help desperately.

The best OL, and probably the safest pick overall, is Quenton Nelson. It would not surprise me to see the Giants either take him at 2, or trade down a few picks with a team that needs a QB now, and take Nelson there.

I would think the Giants pick is in play for a QB or Barkley. I’m with you in thinking they trade down a few spots and take Nelson there. The Colts are a really good trade down spot as well if Barkley comes off the board at 2.

I like most of these QBs so although I prefer Rosen I won’t be mad at the other guys. The only thing they can do to make me mad is go a RB at 1 over a QB (would be fine with SB at 4) or trade down.

This is a good QB draft and this team hasn’t had one in forever....draft the freaking QB!!!

I can see them trading down but I can't see them going OL at #2.

Especially with either Barkley, Chubb, Rosen, Allen or Mayfield on the boardand all the calls they will be getting with those other guys available.

Wasn’t clamoring, just willing to wait and see what Dorsey thinks is best.

Why would that make you mad?

You Like MOST of the QB's. So we go Barkley at 1 and have one of the Top 2 or 3 QB'S at 4.

Not understanding that thought process?

The logic is that the Browns organization should pick ONE QB they want and get him. Think about it this way, what if the 4 QBs available were Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Andy Dalton and Joe Flacco.

Dalton and Flacco have been solid starters for years, but wouldn't you rather guarantee getting Rodgers or Brady?

Obviously they could whiff entirely, but if they do that they'll be fired soon so no use worrying about it :-P

Exactly. This team has had crap at QB for the past 30 years, and they have a chance to get “their” guy at 1......don’t screw that up for a RB or more picks. I love SB, and would love him at 4 if he fell....just not over a QB.

QB should be top priority ... JMHO

No truth to the rumor thatchy have the movie Draft Day playing on a loop in Berea. None whatsoever. But hope they will.

Thats too bad.. The way we have drafted I swear Kevin Costner would have done better.

Didn't Costner skip the QB at #1?

j/c

It was made abundantly clear by Haslam that Dorsey's #1 priority was to get our franchise QB. He's not going to try to answer that question by settling with someone elses leftovers. Sashi lasted two years because he blew the QB position. Dorsey isn't foolish enough to depend on other teams to leave the best QB on the board.

If we can't run the ball then it doesn't matter what QB we take he is going to get his ass handed to him. We will be looking for a new Coach next year and he will want his own QB at #1 next year. So whatever happens Dorsey BETTER find a running back and I'm not talking about Joe Schmo. 25+ carries a game, 1300+ yards rushing and double-digit touchdowns. Minimum! You find that in the 3rd round? GREAT. But we NEED a top-five back! Someone that can carry the load all year long or our bright shiny new QB is going to get KILLED! We have nothing on the roster now at the position. The RB room is barren. So first round or later, finding a stud running back that strikes fear in opposing D's to take the pressure off our QB is a MUST HAVE.

Great! How long does that QB live when every D in the league knows we can't run the football so they just T off on the rookie? Think he makes it to the bye week before he's out for the season?

Can't or won't run the football?

Trading the number 1 pick got Sashi fired.

Don’t over think it. Get your guy, and it had better be a QB.

#2 pick.

& #12?

Maybe.

I just have to say that I don't think Sashi Brown was fired because we didn't draft a good QB. I think Sashi Brown was fired because we have an irrational owner who can't keep his focus for more than two years.