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From what i’ve seen of Tyrod he looks a very adequate QB the Bills aren’t insanely talented and he’s had a 22-20 win loss ratio over the past 3 seasons so that’s a lot better than what we’ve had. As a bridge QB I love this trade, going into the draft with the number 1+4 picks and a loaded class offers plenty of excitement! If it’s me I take Barkley at 1 and Mayfield at 4. I’ve got a funny feeling Mayfield is the QB we want anyway regardless of who’s taken 2 and 3. Either way Browns are on the up!!

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I don't think the scouts believe that he can throw it as well from his wheelchair.

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I actually think we could make a run at the playoffs with this guy. Or maybe it's the beer talking. wink


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I am not a huge T. Taylor fan, but it might not be a terrible move.

My thoughts on him:

Strengths:

--Takes care of the ball
--Athletic
--Tough as nails
--Solid character

Concerns:
--Inaccurate on deeper throws
--Not a big playmaker in the passing game
--Holds the ball too long
--Abandons pocket early at times

I think he might be a very good bridge qb and I do prefer him over AJ. I am a bit disappointed because that probably means we draft a guy like Darnold or Allen instead of Rosen.

That part sucks.


or perhaps now .. we do get Teddy as a backup to Taylor .. similar styles.. also both similar to Hue's favorite .. RG III ... hmmm


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Agreed.

This will be the situation Tyrod has been in. Todd Haley as OC. Good OL. Good receiving corps. We'll see what happens at RB but Tyrod definitely helps whomever plays RB.

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LOL..........it's the beer, bro.

Again, I'm not a huge TT fan, but he's better than AJ.

Now, here is the thing no one is talking about. TT starts and we have a guy like Darnold or Allen as our number 1 pick. Taylor does what he does, which isn't much. He isn't losing games for you, but he isn't winning them, either. Can you imagine the screaming from the fans and media for putting in the rook, who clearly won't be ready?

I don't think we are drafting Rosen and I while I like the new FO better than Sashi and Farmer before him, I think we might be blowing the qb thing again.

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I think you could make the case the Browns have the 2nd best QB in the AFC North now. I really like Tyrod and how he protects the ball with good production. He was always a favorite of mine.


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Teddy is black, but he isn't similar to those guys. He is very accurate. He is very good at making post-snap reads. He is very good at getting rid of it quickly. He is a pocket passer who can run, not a runner who can throw.

With all of that said............and it pains me to say this because I was Teddy's biggest supporter when it came to us drafting him.........but I believe that if his knee injury wasn't so devastating that there would be no way Minni would set him free. Zimmer loves the guy. They all love him. He's the greatest of great kids. It's freaking so sad that he's probably done.

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I still take darnold first overalll... while I love Barkley... we need a qb...Taylor is in a bridge...


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Barkley at 1 and Mayfield at 4.

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Although Tyrod Taylor will miss out on the full $6-million roster bonus he was due on March 16, I'm told that there's a good chance his 1-year, $10-million contract could be restructured by the #Browns after the trade becomes official on March 14 to give him a pay bump.

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Although Tyrod Taylor will miss out on the full $6-million roster bonus he was due on March 16, I'm told that there's a good chance his 1-year, $10-million contract could be restructured by the #Browns after the trade becomes official on March 14 to give him a pay bump.


Vic tweeted again saying we will be giving him that 6 mil.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Barkley at 1 and Mayfield at 4.


Yup, this would be my exact scenario I'd want. Got to take Barkley at #1 because he won't be there at 4.I believe Mayfield will and he is the one to take.


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I wouldn't have traded a 6th for TT. This makes my head hurt. We already have a QB that could go 17 for 37 with an interception.


Tyrod throws an INT every 4 games...Kiser averaged more than 1 per game! Can't compare the two!


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Third round isn't great but for Taylor, I cannot be mad. Actually this probably is a good deal. I like Taylor more than AJ and Keenum.

It'll probably be Taylor, Hogan and Darnold/Allen/Rosen/Mayfield come regular season.

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I like SB at one AND Allen at 4...Go Browns!!!!


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I am not arguing w/you............but, I think the trade for TT means we will be drafting a qb at 1. Probably one of the project type guys.

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I dont get the project types? At ONE overall? Take the franchise guy now. The " project" may never work out. Like Billick once said. Potential in a QB, gets the coach fired.. Its STILL Rosen guys......

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I think - and hope - so, too.


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I agree w/you. However, I think the signing of TT indicates that we aren't taking Rosen. That saddens me. But, I'm used to it.

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This is a good move. He doesn't turn the ball over.

He can play till the QB of choice is ready. No rush.
He can then back up.

Landry was not going unless we had a QB.

As for the QB of choice? The door is open. For those that believe we will not take a QB at one or four.

Wrong. We're going to draft a QB at one or four.

I have no idea who. My guess is Darnold.

They may go Barkley and Mayfield. I don't know.

But I don't think it excludes Rosen.

I don't think they want any rookie to start.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I agree w/you. However, I think the signing of TT indicates that we aren't taking Rosen. That saddens me. But, I'm used to it.


I wonder if TT is insurance in case they get a RG3+ type deal sent their way. That way they have a stable guy in place and can keep building.

Take Rosen and let him sit (I realize that isn't what happens in reality). if TT blossoms then you have a nice asset you can deal.


We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
LOL..........it's the beer, bro.

Again, I'm not a huge TT fan, but he's better than AJ.

Now, here is the thing no one is talking about. TT starts and we have a guy like Darnold or Allen as our number 1 pick. Taylor does what he does, which isn't much. He isn't losing games for you, but he isn't winning them, either. Can you imagine the screaming from the fans and media for putting in the rook, who clearly won't be ready?

I don't think we are drafting Rosen and I while I like the new FO better than Sashi and Farmer before him, I think we might be blowing the qb thing again.
That is one thing i do like about this FO, they dont listen to the fans. lol. I guess that is something we can all agree on. They can be stubborn it seems - but in your scenario i think its safe to say they will stick with TT. I mean holy cow look what they stuck with all last year!

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Just a hunch, but this probably means we want Mayfield ... same sort of skill set?


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just because its fun to throw out scenarios. We didnt give up much for TT. What if we are not done with the QB room?? What if TT was brought here to be a backup to a FA???

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Pretty sure we are drafting a QB.

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And pretty sure he isn't gonna sit all season.

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Well, if Tyrod Taylor is the new QB1, does it HAVE to mean he is only a bridge?

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Well, if Tyrod Taylor is the new QB1, does it HAVE to mean he is only a bridge?


yes.

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A lot of people are assuming that this means we aren't looking at the FA market for QB's. That it means for sure we are drafting a QB. I'm not so sure. Perhaps, Dorsey isn't done bringing in veteran QB's? Let's say for argument's sake he wants to win right away. He very well could sign a FA QB to go with Taylor and let them fight it out in camp as to who starts. For instance, he could sign Case Keenum too. The first few days of free agency are going to be very interesting this year. We may actually be active for a change. Dorsey may surprise us all... Sure as surprised me today.


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Free agent quarterbacks are expensive. With Taylor already due to make $16M, and reports the Browns could look at a slight extension that would bump his value, I doubt the Browns go after anyone significant.

Especially when the likes of Keenum (Denver) and McCarron (Vikings) are already being seen a plan B for teams in the Cousins sweepstakes.

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Originally Posted By: BDU
Free agent quarterbacks are expensive. With Taylor already due to make $16M, and reports the Browns could look at a slight extension that would bump his value, I doubt the Browns go after anyone significant.

Especially when the likes of Keenum (Denver) and McCarron (Vikings) are already being seen a plan B for teams in the Cousins sweepstakes.
That is a lot of Jack for a qb to compete. He is going to start this year, thats for sure.

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If I may take a moment to pat myself on the back...back when the conversation of bridge QB was centered on Smith and Cousins, I made the point that I thought the most likely candidates were McCown, Bradford, and Taylor. I thought Taylor because 1) he was likely available, 2) he's young and healthy, and 3) he's good enough to be a decent bridge but not good enough to block the rookie when he's ready.


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I agree. I don't think this trade excludes any of the quarterbacks to be drafted #1.

I also don't think it favors any QB. As much as I'd like to think this points to Mayfield, I don't think this deal increases the likelihood we draft him.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I agree w/you. However, I think the signing of TT indicates that we aren't taking Rosen. That saddens me. But, I'm used to it.


TT is used to being benched for a rookie. He's no threat to Rosen or any other QB we decide to draft.

That being said, I'm not so certain that even Rosen is a week one starter.

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Originally Posted By: BDU
Free agent quarterbacks are expensive. With Taylor already due to make $16M, and reports the Browns could look at a slight extension that would bump his value, I doubt the Browns go after anyone significant.

Especially when the likes of Keenum (Denver) and McCarron (Vikings) are already being seen a plan B for teams in the Cousins sweepstakes.


$6 mil of that $16 mil was a roster bonus that disappeared when he was traded. That's why the Browns may give him a bump in pay now.

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Let me play the contrarian for a moment. Taylor has played and won in the NFL. None of the others have even taken a snap. Taylor has put together some decent numbers in the league, and won more than he lost. Why do we insist he’s only going to be a bridge?

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I agree w/you. However, I think the signing of TT indicates that we aren't taking Rosen. That saddens me. But, I'm used to it.


I don’t see how trading for Taylor changes our plans for drafting a QB. If Rosen was our target last week, he still is now. Maybe he sits a bit, that’s not the worse thing. Just my opinion.

Best part of this trade is McCarron is out of the picture.

Taylor is actually a bridge QB. McCarron would have been a “we hope is a bridge QB”

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