DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Damarious Randall traded to the Browns for DeShone Kizer

I agree!

Or is TT the backup???? Mind BLOWN

No.

Short answer.

If Kirk picks up the phone, then yes.

If Rosen or another draft pick beats him out, then yes.

We also NEED a running back. We have none at the moment. Without a running game it doesn't matter who the QB is, he will get his ass beat every week. Jacksonville made a playoff run with Blake Borttles at QB. They drafted Fournette and he made them a much better team. Two years ago Dak took Dallas to the playoffs. Think they do anything without Zeke? They sure looked mediocre last year when he was going through his problems and ultimate suspension... Todd Gurley was looking like an MVP shoe-in and really helped the Rams make the playoffs... Play great D, run the football at an extremely high level, don't turn the ball over... win games. Hell, Seattle hasn't been the same since they lost Beast Mode. Yes, we need a QB. But we also need a RB. Not some bum that gets us 800 yards and a couple TD's. We need a REAL one. The Steelers have Bell and we need our own version. Give Haley a stud RB and we WILL win some games.

They way I look at it is this, IF we are SURE that one of these QB's is a franchise QB then take him at #1. Then trade to move up to #2 and take Barkley. If we are not absolutely positive that one of these QB's is the future, take Barkley at #1 Fitz and #4 and go with Taylor and whatever other FA we can sign. Hue needs to win NOW. Or he won't be here next year. So a rookie QB sitting on the bench may be great down the road but it does nothing to win games this coming September. We have Taylor, we could very easily trade for another QB or sign Case Keenum and have two vets on the roster that took their respective teams to the playoffs last season. I don't think Dorsey is done wheeling and dealing. I think he is just getting started. We shall see. Whatever happens, no matter who we take in the draft, we BETTER get a running back somehow because the cupboard is bare at that position.

I dont think so either, just having fun with scenarios. I am extremely excited about today.

1. the FO is telling US the FANS that hear what we are saying, and they made moves today to get some dang WINS NOW!

2. Even with the moves today, they did not mortgage anything, or give up anything crazy

3. Each move seems to have a meaning - and fills a hole and has purpose.

4. We are SIGNIFICANTLY better on offense, and our DEF improved as well. In a matter of hours.

5. Not to mention we still have an entire FA period and DRAFT with two top 5 picks!

6. I think the Browns just let the NFL know, they dont think they are a joke - and are willing to do what it takes to turn this joke around.

7. Gordon, Landry, Coleman at 3, Njoku, duke in the receiving game. We just became a nice destination for a FA that might be looking to score money and have a chance to be competitive.

8. Now take the last point and possibly add Barkely?

Huh? Traded up? Either you have a terrible memory, or you are making things up to support your position.

The Browns owned pick #52 going into the draft and said they were surprised he was there. Picking him was "taking an opportunity" rather than moving up to target him.

Just a little interesting tidbit from his college scouting report:

Damarious Randall Draft Profile – NFL.com
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/damarious-randall?id=2552389

DRAFT ANALYSIS:
"Randall is what today's free safety is all about. He is by far the best cover safety in this draft. Randall can play man-to-man; he has cornerback-level cover skills. You give up some physicality, but his coverage ability is where the NFL is going. Remember Jimmie Ward was a first-rounder last year (to the 49ers) with a similar skill set." -- Mike Mayock

OVERVIEW
In 2014, selected first-team All-Pac-12, finishing with 106 tackles. Had an interception return for a touchdown in each of the two seasons he played at Arizona State. In 2013, signed with Arizona State and started nine games. In 2012, while attending Mesa Community College, selected Junior College first-team All-American. Starred in both football and baseball coming out of high school, but decided to play baseball at Butler Community College in order to follow in his brother's foot steps (brother, Patrick Norris, was drafted by Kansas City Royals out of Butler). Played shortstop but suffered shoulder injury and was forced back to football.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS Plus athlete with good speed. Scouts love his toughness and effort. Inspired effort as a tackler, racking up 177 tackles during two-year stint at Arizona State. Looks to punish. Explodes into targets and jolts his victims. Takes very good angles in space in run support. Instinctive blitzer who times snap and has a nose for the quarterback. Senses throws underneath and breaks on them early. Highly competitive on 50/50 throws and won't give an inch to receiver. Took two interceptions for scores. Good hands -- played some wide receiver in junior college and was also an explosive returner while there.

WEAKNESSES Small for safety position. Has box characteristics but lacking box size. Instincts as a free safety are average. Could be forced to play cornerback. Needs technique work in coverage. Must learn line-of-scrimmage skills and work on coordinating feet and hips. Allows wideouts to eat up cushion. Desire to attack leads to false steps against play-action. Fails to play with proper depth at times. Gets a little loose with technique as a tackler at times, causing him to miss.

DRAFT PROJECTION Round 2

SOURCES TELL US "I have him as the top safety in this draft so that should tell you what I think of his ability to play with his size. Just give me a good player." NFC defensive backs coach

NFL COMPARISON Jimmie Ward

BOTTOM LINE Randall is considered undersized for the safety position and some teams have him projected as a cornerback. While he has the speed and athletic traits to transition to cornerback, his cover skills and technique need quite a bit of work to be ready for the NFL level. Randall has a nose for the ball and a strong desire to make an aggressive tackle in space, so there could still be teams that give him a legitimate shot at safety, where he carries a higher draft grade.

I like these moves. We may actually win a game or two this season.

You obviously have a very bad memory

the Browns traded the #8 pick in the 2016 NFL draft to the Titans(moving down 7 spots in the 1st RD that year)and gave up a 6th rd pick in 2016 in return for Tenn 2nd rd pick(pick 52 we used to draft Kizer in 2017), and a 2016 3rd rd pick.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...4c-6a128a29181b

the #52 pick we used to take Kizer in 2017 was the result of giving up 7 spots in the 1st rd of 2016.

So yes we did trade assets to get Kizer because we dind't have the #52 pick to take Kizer before we made the trade with Tenn the year before...a trade that has us move down quite a bit in the 1st rd....

Boy that was a lot of calisthenics to try and cover your mis-statement. Are you saying that they made all those moves in the previous 1 year plus with the knowledge that Kizer would be there for them to draft with the #52 pick? All of those moves were water under the bridge at the moment when they decided to draft Kizer. However they came to own the pick, they owned it long before they made that decision.

The statement that they traded up to take him means, to most people, that when they were in the 2nd round of the 2017 draft, they saw Kizer sitting there, so they traded assets to move up and get him before someone else did. That is not what happened. So I call BS on your claim that "they traded up to take him."

Randall hopeully will be moved to FS, which would allow Peppers to move to SS.

So glad we won't have to deal with that anymore. What a relief.

I paid mine in full on the 3rd. I'm ready to hear this news!

Not sure why the Packers traded him. He was their starting CB who covered Josh Gordon. According to some on the NFL Network he was their best cornerback. In 39 games he has had 144 total tackles,32 passes defended, and 10 picks. Maybe they see potential in Kizer?

It's a great pick up for us at a steep price but if they had no intention to let Kizer have a chance then it's a great trade for us. I hope Kizer doesn't come back to haunt us.

Randall at FS might make the most sense. He was behind Clinton-Dix in GB, so never got a shot. Maybe that was our way to fill a position of need (at least with good depth)

When a team trades a young starter at a premium position on a rookie contract, questions will be raised.

For his part, Damarious Randall’s on-field performances steadily improved after getting benched against the Chicago Bears in Week 4. Randall looked visibly upset, and not with himself, after the Packers surrendered a touchdown pass late in the first half.

Rob Demovsky of ESPN reported Friday that there existed an interest between players to oust Randall, whose attitude had soured the mood within the locker room.

“There was strong sentiment in the locker room at that time to give Randall the boot — sources said McCarthy’s committee of veteran players suggested that Randall be released — but the Packers stood by him,” Demovsky wrote.

Randall criticized then-Packers defensive coordinator Dom Capers at the end of the season, to which McCarthy said Randall needed to “clean his own house.”

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix showed similar frustrations – albeit about player acquisition – but McCarthy had a remarkably different response to the Pro Bowl safety. McCarthy called him one of the Packers’ “core guys.”

“Ha Ha Clinton-Dix is a Green Bay Packer,” McCarthy said, according to Michael Cohen and Ryan Wood of PackersNews.com. “I love his passion. I love his commitment to the team.”

“I think words of frustration … hey, at least he’s frustrated. Conflict is good. I think it’s a good thing he’s expressing himself because it’s all about winning. He understands what the deal is here. He wants to get it done.”

Without knowing the ins-and-outs of the exact situation, McCarthy’s response at least illustrates the limits of his patience.

After Randall’s benching, he reinvented himself in the following three weeks by intercepting three passes in three games. He added another interception against Pittsburgh.

Randall also played well against his new team. He limited Josh Gordon after Gordon torched the Packers in the first half.

On the surface, the Packers may have given up a promising asset at a position they’ve struggled to fill. However, if some of the reports are true – that Randall has been a source of friction at the workplace – perhaps a collective exhalation can be heard in the halls of 1265 Lombardi Ave.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/03...after-benching/

Darnold VS Kizer in the 2020 Super Bowl! Lol

For what it's worth, one of my employees is a big-time Pack fan and he is HIGHLY PISSED!

hmm, hadn't heard that off the field stuff about Randall. It's good in a way: at least he has the talent to be an above average player.

Yep.

I wish him well, BTW. Likable guy, subpar QB (at least so far).

Pretty sure Wolf and Highsmith had major input on this one.

yeah clearly

Maybe so. But we ruined the kid last year. I don't think the fans would have given him any chance at all.

Sometimes a trade is what a player needs to become what he can be. I believe if we kept him here, he would have never developed. Plus, we just traded for TT. We will draft a QB at some point in this draft, and Dorsey drafted Hogan.

Hogan will start the season as the #2 guy behind TT. Hogan is a lot like Taylor...he has good wheels. If he had to come in, the O wouldn't have to make many adjustments.

JMO

At least someone found the humor in my calling him Flattop.

I don't know enough about Randell to comment on him as it relates to the trade. Kizer needs more work but I don't think he is a lost cause. We'll see how this plays out over the next couple of years.

Damn, appreciated the effort Deshaun, you were a warrior in Pittsburgh.

Slightly unreal

I think he would have been a lost cause in Cleveland. GB is his fresh start. He isn't going to play anytime soon. He has a coach and mentor who can help him. If he turns out great, i won't look back because everything is different in GB. Everything changes for the guy. If he stayed here, he would still be the guy seen as the guy throwing swing passes in to the dirt.

Follow up:

An article by the OBR seems to be very high on him and his versatility, even bringing up FS, where he played in college. There is some questioning about why GB would be willing to give up a 25 year old who was their "best CB" (I saw this elsewhere, this isn't my opinion) w/ 10 ints in three years.

So far it looks like a good deal.

I googled Flattop when I first heard that and that picture really reminded me of him - it cracks me up. Good call.

"Taking a gamble" would be accurate, possibly moreso. I didn't want to watch him again.

One Packer friend was pissed off. All about Kizer for him. I think he is a swell kid who can't throw straight and needed to get out of Berea. Not "The Man" by any stretch, not viable yet unless he continues to learn.

Late to the party after being out last night.

Thanks for the memories DeShone!

A good trade for all parties.

I'm glad Kiser is getting a new opportunity, he didn't deserve to be Hued.

Getting Crazy out there... Just gonna have to wait and see.. But getting rid of Kizer is smart if you need someone to mentor a 1st round pick ...,Taylor would/could/should be better at that.

Randall,, What was wrong with him that they let him go like that. I didn't pay attention to him at all.

Randall apparently had some friction with that coaching staff.

He spoke out that the coaches needed to hold players more accountable for their mistakes. That didn't go over well.

What a concept, accountability. I have this conversation with my people at work.

Been watching a little tape on the guy, if he can stay healthy and plays consistently we're really going to like him. I just wonder where they will play him.