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I'm pretty sure Joe told Dorsey his decision already. I'm also pretty sure Dorsey said "Ok, I respect that, lets keep it quiet for a few days and let me work on FA.. this will help us for other teams not to know this info.. Do this for me and I'll make sure you get your bonus."

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I really don’t think Dorsey wants a player that isn’t 100% in anyway. I don’t think anyone should. Thanks for everything Joe, hope you have a great career in TV.

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Originally Posted By: SaintDawg
I'm pretty sure Joe told Dorsey his decision already. I'm also pretty sure Dorsey said "Ok, I respect that, lets keep it quiet for a few days and let me work on FA.. this will help us for other teams not to know this info.. Do this for me and I'll make sure you get your bonus."


Agreed. I bet he's trying to do something with his podcast. He'll get his roster bonus on the 18th and hopefully he's on the phone with Solder selling him on the city


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Originally Posted By: SaintDawg
I'm pretty sure Joe told Dorsey his decision already. I'm also pretty sure Dorsey said "Ok, I respect that, lets keep it quiet for a few days and let me work on FA.. this will help us for other teams not to know this info.. Do this for me and I'll make sure you get your bonus."


Wouldn't that only make sense for him to do if he told Dorsey that he was retiring?


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Maybe Joe is just waiting to see if we can find a replacement for him before he retires?


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Keep in mind Solder can play RT if Joe Thomas comes back.

I hope in the draft we give this kid a shot: Very Raw came to this country in 2010 and has a soccer background. He needs to play with more Anger as he is a nice guy... but the kid is raw and worth a mid round pick and hopefully a year with Joe Thomas can help him.

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Originally Posted By: eotab
Keep in mind Solder can play RT if Joe Thomas comes back.

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Originally Posted By: eotab
Keep in mind Solder can play RT if Joe Thomas comes back.

I hope in the draft we give this kid a shot: Very Raw came to this country in 2010 and has a soccer background. He needs to play with more Anger as he is a nice guy... but the kid is raw and worth a mid round pick and hopefully a year with Joe Thomas can help him.

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If you think about it, Joe can probably play RT if need be as well. Might have to change up that unorthodox stance of his of course. But he probably could do it


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It seems that Joe Thomas is really conflicted. He is human.

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No way Joe Thomas will come back for his last year to play Right Tackle...I think we can take that to the bank.



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Originally Posted By: eotab
No way Joe Thomas will come back for his last year to play Right Tackle...I think we can take that to the bank.



What I don't get is, folks on here have said Nat Solder won't play RT. Joe won't play RT.

What's so bad about RT? Having to change up technique? An ego thing?


The money is the same. So what's the big deal


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Its a skill set thing. Joe Thomas by far has better skill set at the tougher LT position.

Nate will play RT if its Joe Thomas. As a FA he is putting himself out there in the NFL as a LT cause they make the big bucks.

Difference is there is a change. Solder has played RT before Joe Thomas never. The transition would be easier for Solder. Also his skills as a LT quite frankly is not too far from what we saw from Drango last season. Joe Thomas is a HOF. Joe Thomas does not need to come back for the money so what I'm saying is he will not come back to play Right Tackle.

Solder can't speak for him but as you said...he's going to be getting the money and for the one season to move over for a HOF great LT like Joe, I think Solder would do it.

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If this happens they will sign him as a LT and play him at RT as JT plays his final season ... JMHO thumbsup


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Originally Posted By: eotab
Keep in mind Solder can play RT if Joe Thomas comes back.

I hope in the draft we give this kid a shot: Very Raw came to this country in 2010 and has a soccer background. He needs to play with more Anger as he is a nice guy... but the kid is raw and worth a mid round pick and hopefully a year with Joe Thomas can help him.

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I think he might go earlier than the mid rounds.

If we're taking a project tackle, the random 6'8", 345# rugby player they wrote an article about on NFL.com looks kind of interesting. Pretty much knows/knew nothing about technique, but looks to be a natural knee-bender and have a solid anchor. They don't make many humans that look like that. Maybe worth a late round flier.

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I have to disagree with you about Solder. Now there's no doubt he's certainly no Joe Thomas. But he's also a class above Drango.

If you strictly look at the results of Drango playing LT last season, on paper they looked better than many expected. If you look at what the team had to do in order to achieve those results, it paints an entirely different picture all together.

Thomas plays on an island. He doesn't need any help. If you look at the film when Drango took over, you will see he had to have a lot of help.

Solder will certainly not need the help that Drango required to get similar results. I believe that there are tiers at every position. To me Thomas is in tier 1, Solder tier 2, Drango is tier three.


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I can agree with your tier theory... my point I guess is that Drango was serviceable and a surprise over achiever. I don't remember all this help? But it don't mean it didn't happen.

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Originally Posted By: eotab
I can agree with your tier theory... my point I guess is that Drango was serviceable and a surprise over achiever. I don't remember all this help? But it don't mean it didn't happen.


Drango was the biggest liability on the line after Thomas went down. When he didn't have help, he would get beat.

Of course, Deshone held the ball a bit longer than most QBs, and most left tackles get beat from time to time.


But there was a drastic difference between Drango and Thomas, and Drango was the one getting beat the most when he took over.

I like Drango, hope he's on the team for awhile. But I don't think he's a good option for a full season. He's more like that guy we picked up from the Jaguars a couple years ago who could play like every position on the line. It's a very valuable person to have


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Drango was not that bad , IMHO...

And like in the case of Kiser, playcalling didn't help a bit.

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Originally Posted By: rastanplan
Drango was not that bad , IMHO...

And like in the case of Kiser, playcalling didn't help a bit.


I don't think he was that bad. We've certainly had worse. But going into the season, starting Drango 16 games at LT is certainly not optimal.


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For a guard or a RT, Drango did awesome on the left side. We should hope that he never has to play on the left side again though.

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I could see Shon Coleman being moved to left tackle with Drango or ? filling the RT position.


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The guy got slammed with Jackson's play calling and very little help ( NO MATTER WHAT SOME SAY !!! ).. He played way better than I thought he would . The answer , no , but in a pinch ???

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I could see Shon Coleman being moved to left tackle with Drango or ? filling the RT position.


I think Coleman gets a bad rap he isn't a bad OT ... JMHO superconfused


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I could see Shon Coleman being moved to left tackle with Drango or ? filling the RT position.


I don't think so. Coleman has to master the RT position before he moves to LT. He was too inconsistent last year. I have high hopes for him and I think we'll see him improve, but I think we're better keeping him where he was so he can master RT before he goes to LT


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Coleman at Left Tackle , really ?? What do you see in his play that would lead to a conclusion like that ?

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Coleman at Left Tackle , really ?? What do you see in his play that would lead to a conclusion like that ?


Yeah, his feet and balance don't exactly scream LT to me. He has the nastiness and strength to play RT, but is a better run blocker than pass blocker, and I would hate to throw him in at LT, and get Taylor killed.


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As of yet I haven't seen anything in him that makes him a legit. RT, much less a LT.


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I thought Coleman was the liability and he was the guy getting all the help. Drango held his own. Note he is not the future. But for a stop gap guy he won't be bad till we get our stud.

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Neither did holding the ball and rolling into rushers. Kizer was no friend of his line way too often. And some of them made it worse as well. Taylor should make anyone not named JT better.


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I thought Coleman was the liability and he was the guy getting all the help. Drango held his own. Note he is not the future. But for a stop gap guy he won't be bad till we get our stud.

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See, we're seeing different things. In the beginning of the season Coleman showed himself sometimes to be a liability and got hit with penalties.

But when I saw Drango come out there, I noticed less of Coleman (always a good thing) and I noticed a lot more of Drango.



Like, I've said, I like Drango. And it's not the end of the world if he is our LT. But, while he performed surprisingly well, I think he was the weak link when he was in the game. He'd just get beat regularly


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One of the shows I heard in my internet roaming today said that the decision may not be Joe's. It makes a certain amount of sense, as well. If we bring in Solder, he's the LT. Period. We aren't going to put that much money into the OL. We already have a lot tied up in Zeitler and Bitonio. Adding Solder would almost certainly eliminate Thomas from the equation.


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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
One of the shows I heard in my internet roaming today said that the decision may not be Joe's. It makes a certain amount of sense, as well. If we bring in Solder, he's the LT. Period. We aren't going to put that much money into the OL. We already have a lot tied up in Zeitler and Bitonio. Adding Solder would almost certainly eliminate Thomas from the equation.


It would only be one year, Joe's contract ends this year. Not sure why it would be a big deal if we had the cash to make it happen


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One of the shows I heard in my internet roaming today said that the decision may not be Joe's. It makes a certain amount of sense, as well. If we bring in Solder, he's the LT. Period. We aren't going to put that much money into the OL. We already have a lot tied up in Zeitler and Bitonio. Adding Solder would almost certainly eliminate Thomas from the equation.


It would only be one year, Joe's contract ends this year. Not sure why it would be a big deal if we had the cash to make it happen


Solder's not coming here to be the RT, even for one year.

Joe's not moving to the right side either.

I think that Joe's done here, we just don't know it yet.


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Are you saying that Dorsey is pushing Joe out ??

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Are you saying that Dorsey is pushing Joe out ??


Might be. How do you fit both Solder and Thomas on the same team, especially when Solder probably wants some guarantee that he will be the LT, period, no matter what Thomas decides? Do you push Thomas to the bench at $13 million? Do you move him to RT, where he has never played, at $13 million?

Whether it's Joe's decision, or not, I think that he's done if we sign Solder.


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Originally Posted By: rastanplan
Drango was not that bad , IMHO...

And like in the case of Kiser, playcalling didn't help a bit.


And how exactly was Play Calling not helping a guy who should be a GUARD, plat LT?

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I don't like how this is unfolding... I want no negativity or any type of drama surrounding Joe Thomas. If he leaves, I want it to be on a GOOD note. I'm hoping people are right, and the Browns have been informed - just "we" haven't yet.

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Drango was not that bad , IMHO...

And like in the case of Kiser, playcalling didn't help a bit.


And how exactly was Play Calling not helping a guy who should be a GUARD, plat LT?

Unbelievable you are. FITZ and now. WOW.


They gotta rip those plays where guards play LT out of the playbook.

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