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Tyrod's play will determine how long he plays. Nothing else. Not label's or perceptions. Bridge/interim franchise...whatever.

He could play well enough to keep a rookie QB on the bench for the whole season OR not. He could play well enough to garner more trade compensation then he was brought in with in a move like KC did with Alex when they were ready to start Mahomes.

It's most likely true - and I fully expect us to draft a QB at 1 or 4 ... or maybe (remote chance) trade down and draft QB later in the 1st round. Having a TT enables that.

What's a little funny to me - I expect TT to be the best QB we've had since 1999. If that pans out - we'll have our best QB in 18 seasons and we're all labeling him a Bridge... And people think a 3rd round pick was too much to get him.

Proof is in the pudding, I hope I'm right. We'll see.

Isn't that sad. We get potentially our best QB in 18 years and he is probably going to be our bridge. Bridge to what? There are no guarantees that come with rookie QBs. I would like for the Browns to sign McCown as our backup then draft a rookie.

I don't hate TT but fear (maybe unfounded) we go with a lesser QBs feeling he has much more time to develop. Who knows.

Well IF it works out for the best - the rookie QB will be so good he will force the issue and we'll be best with a good starting QB with a 2nd year QB pushing him to the bench. I am happy for the rookie to sit all season.

The Taylor trade is starting to grow on me I was not a happy camper when it first went down but now I see we are better than we were before the trade ...

If my memory serves me right I think the browns have come pretty close to to that philosophy with their first round picks,
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Nothing wrong with having a good QB winning games with a potential winner waiting in the wings. What I don't get is the notion that we're set at QB now and we should take Saquon at #1 without TT playing one single game for us. If TT weren't the bridge and we were set on signing our franchise QB in FA we'd be offering Cousins $28M/year for five years with $80M guaranteed. The bar is so low that any winning QB would be the best QB in 18 years. Not a tough nut to crack.

Gotta take the QB we believe in.
At #1.

Just hoping the Giants go QB in FA. Our path gets clearer/easier if they do that and not draft a QB at 2.

Not sure I get what you mean, Riley.

For those who want Saquon, there's a decent chance he's there at four, but IMO a slim chance Dorsey takes him if Minkah or Chubb are there. Personally, I'm good with any of the three, whatever they see as BPA/greatest need is OK with me as long as they grab the best QB (in their view) at #1.

I would ask folks to remember that Rogers sat for a while behind Farve ; worked out pretty good for GB.

A Barkley pick would be wonderful! He could help us in a number of ways. Especially with TT at the QB. That is if we run it better and more often, and if we drive without handouts. With a starter in place, I might go with him.

Not that I don't want him, just that I don't think we'll get him.

Trading for Tyrod Taylor makes me think that QB at #1 is a Lock ... JMHO

No.

NFL Network's Bucky Brooks: Tyrod Taylor 'can play winning football'


The flurry of activity by the Cleveland Browns in the last few days could impact their draft strategy. Even with all the moves, they have retained the No. 1 and No. 4 overall selections.

NFL Network's Bucky Brooks said the Browns "have to" pick Penn State running back Saquon Barkley with the No. 1 choice, noting he is a "solar system" player – someone everything can revolve around.

As for No. 4, he said the Browns needs to look at their evaluations of the top quarterbacks and decide whether they want to use that high a pick on one of those players. He also said a "team desperate for a quarterback like the Buffalo Bills" could make a play for a trade.

That led to whether the Browns actually could not take a quarterback. Here was Brooks' reply:

"They got a quarterback now," he said. "Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady are the only guys who have a better touchdown to interception ratio than Tyrod Taylor.

"I’m just saying, he’s a winning quarterback. My man (Maurice Jones-Drew) says, he ends droughts. The Browns haven’t been to the playoffs in 15 years. Tyrod Taylor can play winning football. That is what they need."

http://buffalonews.com/2018/03/11/nfl-ne...time=1520784411

https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/972876624797585408

Tells me who isn't.

Ya' think?

Really?

Matt Miller? Lol.

The media seems hell bent on the narrative that Hue and Dorsey aren't on the same page.

It is true that Hue wanted McCarron during the season last year. But that does not mean that this offseason given more options that Hue still placed McCarron above the other options.

Dorsey is obviously running the show because he's the GM.
But signing Tyrod doesn't mean Hue lost some power struggle to get McCarron.

Exactly. What was the gripe last year? Little to no experience in the QB room. What does AJ have? Little to no experience. What does TT have? Game experience and playoff experience. TT is a good move for what we're trying to do. Dorsey, Hue, Haley & Williams make a great team on paper, now they just have to deliver wins on the field. I am absolutely certain they are all on the same page with that.

Buffalo was ranked 6th in rushing, at 126.1 yards/game. The Browns were 18th, at 107.1 yards/game. They outgained us 4.7 yards/rush to 4.5 yards/rush for us. They also scored 23 TDs rushing, against 11 rushing TDs for us. I have to admit that I was shocked that we were ranked as high in rushing offense as we were. However, the Bills had a much better rushing offense.

NFL Stats - CBSSports.com
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/stats/team...ng-type-offense

There is no way they would have made the playoffs if they were that bad both running and passing.

The Bills threw the ball a lot less often than we did. We threw 574 times, vs 476 for the Bills. Their offense was build on the run. They also started Peterman in 2 games, and he really dragged their passing stats down.

I bet our receivers will he happy with an accurate qb. By the way are they having a press conference with our new players?

probably after they actually sign, after the new league year starts.

Ahh, yes. You're probably right .

Than us? No they didn't. The Browns actually rushed for more yds per carry than the Bills. Crowell actually had more yds per attempt than McCoy. We just didn't run the ball as often. In fact the Bills on average ran more than 6 times per game than the Browns.

Also both rushing attacks are skewed somewhat because Tyrod and Kizer both ran for over 400 yards. But the Bills didnt have a better rushing offense than the Browns.

Look at the link I provided. It backs up what I said.

The link doesn't work. But if you look at the stats they'll show exactly what I said.


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I like the trade for Tyrod Taylor. It gives us the ability to run with a veteran bridge, take Bark at no. 1, and take best QB available at 4 without having to throw them to the wolves. This strategy immediately improves the offense and provides much needed depth at a position of need. I'm still not entirely giving up on Kizer's raw strengths to develop into a decent backup with some time on the bench as well.

Beats breaking the bank for Cousins and overpaying an unproven McCarron.

How does this make sense? Why don't we just select THE BEST QB. That's the most important position. There will be other good positional players in Fitzpatrick or Chubb (and maybe even Barkley) available at four.

Why take the chance of selecting a lesser QB? We have Tyrod, so no one has to be rushed into the position in 2018. Sure. But still, in two years, wouldn't you want the best quarterback?


Cause here's my question to you. Matt Ryan or Adrian Peterson. Who would you want more? Who's worth more? Adrian Peterson is surely a better player. But, if we had the choice, Matt Ryan would have a much much much bigger impact on this team.

Teams with good quarterbacks go to the playoffs regularly. That is the key. Do not settle for second or third best.

I just don't get this line of thinking. We are in a position to get a legitimate QB at number 1, first real solid QB choice at number 1 since Tim Couch, and we have folks wanting a running back.........

Yoour 1st link shows the Bills at #6 in rushing last year, and the Browns at 18.

I am not sure what individual rushing adds to your argument, but McCoy was the 4th leading rusher in the NFL last year. (both according to the links you provided) I don't understand how you get that the Bills were behind the Bills in rushing last year.

Report: Hue Jackson, Ken Zampese lobbied for AJ McCarron
Not everyone may have been on board with Friday's trades.
by Josh Edwards

The Cleveland Browns were the long-assumed leader for free agent quarterback AJ McCarron before they traded for Buffalo Bills quarterback Tyrod Taylor.

For the second time in less than a year, head coach Hue Jackson has been denied his former quarterback with the Cincinnati Bengals. According to ESPN's Dan Graziano, quarterbacks coach Ken Zampese and Jackson were both lobbying for the team to sign McCarron in free agency.

"There’s been a widespread expectation that the Bengals' free-agent backup would join up with former Bengals coaches Hue Jackson and Ken Zampese in Cleveland. Jackson and Zampese had lobbied for McCarron, according to sources familiar with the Browns’ plans, but the front office obviously wasn’t sold and instead acquired Taylor. This doesn’t kill McCarron’s chances of signing somewhere with a chance to be a starter; it just means that place probably won’t be Cleveland," Graziano said.

In a separate report from NFL Network's Aditi Kinkhabwala, it was stated that offensive coordinator Todd Haley was more sold on Taylor.

It is certainly interesting that General Manager John Dorsey clearly took the recommendation of Assistant General Manager Eliot Wolf and Vice President of Player Personnel Alonzo Highsmith before trading for cornerback Damarious Randall because of their experience with him in Green Bay. At the same time, it does not sound like Zampese and Jackson's recommendations were taken as seriously.

Winning will cure all but this report is not going to silence the belief that Dorsey wants to bring in his own head coach.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-hue-jackson-ken-zampese-lobbied-for-aj-mccarron/

And I've read that Jackson WAS in agreement on Taylor.

So there's that.

I see both sides of the argument. Both make some sense.

Tough call.

If one of the QB's wows us in the meetings and workouts, then go with the QB. That's pretty simple. If at least 3 of them impress you and you would be happy with any of them, then go position player.

I tend to think we will go QB at #1 because I have a feeling the #4 pick is up for sale.

I do too. QB at 1, sell the 4 to the highest bidder ... then go to work

Sal Capaccio: Bills Expected Way Less Than 3rd-Rounder For Taylor

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2018/03/12...ZAv0BJU.twitter

The Bills also expected Nathan Peterman to win games when they benched Tyrod for him.

Also, heard that both Arizona and the Broncos had interest in Tyrod.

Lets say the Bills release Tyrod. Which team do you think he would choose? Zona, Denver or Cleveland?

Broncos had interest in Tyrod Taylor before he was traded to Browns | Broncos Wire
https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2018/03...eveland-browns/

Cardinals reportedly made offer to Bills for QB Tyrod Taylor | Cards Wire
https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/0...b-tyrod-taylor/