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And here I thought this thread was about donuts.

Sounds like Dorsey got right on him about his arrest either before saying hi/greeting, or immediately after.

I'm hoping we pass on Baker. I don't want the attitude or potential trouble making type. Done with that...

Thanks for the update Bone ...

It sure is going to be an interest 7 or 8 weeks til the draft ...

Can’t wait for FA ... this is GONNA BE FUN ...

I think you have to take everything into consideration. I've seen the results when we haven't in the past.

I really like Baker, I love his passion, I also loved it in Manziel. That would not deter me from taking him.

I think there are 2 better prospects than him and we draft at #1.

I haven't BUDGED.

You say you PROJECT a QB as to what he will be in 3 or 4 years in the NFL.

That's COOL. I do also.

Problem is this.

He's 6 damn foot tall. MAJOR negative. I don't care about Brees and Wilson.

He comes from that BS Oklahoma Offense.

He DOES NOT have an arm much better than AVERAGE.

It's ALL OVER the place that he came off in Combine Interviews as MORE than COCKY. Thomas, Bitonio, Zeitler will SLAP his Smurf ASS.

He's going into a League where Windows are SLIM. None of this WIDE OPEN BS.

Stop over thinking this.

I WANT NO PART OF MAYFIELD. Except his HEAD on a PLATTER when we play him.

MY OPINION is he will be OVERWHELMED in the NFL.

Stick with DARNOLD.

I'm not a huge Mayfield fan, but this is kinda funny IMO.

I mean, Baker Mayfield has pretty much started four years of college football to Darnold's two. He's had a ton of success.

I'm not sure how Baker is going to be overwhelmed in the NFL verses Sam Darnold.



You might like Darnold's upside more. But IMO, day one, Darnold will certainly be more overwhelmed than Baker. Baker's simply played and seen much more football

Average arm is a myth.

Baker is only behind Allen in velocity...

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And I agree... don't overthink it. Take the best quarterback in the draft. Mayfield.

I'm not sure why this has it own thread......

Baker has his strengths and weaknesses like any other prospect.

I like his efficiency in college he executes OU's offense at a high level.
And for me that counts for something regardless if the scheme pro/spread Efficiency matters to me as a good measure of accuracy and decision making.

I think his arm strength is good. He's doesn't have a hose...but he doesn't have a squirt gun either. I would put him in the same ballpark of arm strength as Andy Dalton, Teddy Bridgewater etc. It's not an area of weakness for me.

I think he's one of the more accurate in the class but I take his accuracy with a grain of salt due to a scheme that created open receivers and didn't require him to throw into tight coverage. But, then again that also a testament to his decision making. I like his accuracy but I don't think its exceptional like some of the draft media claims. Case in point...and I know it's small sample season in rather meaningless practice but...


A QB with legendary accuracy doesn't miss those throws in a walk through.I still think his accuracy is good but I don't think he's head and shoulders above Rosen.

He will face a transition into NFL passing concepts and under center offense. I don't have reason to doubt that he can do it; but he might needs some time and a team needs to be flexible with him. But, that just makes him like a bunch of other recent "spread" QBs that have made the transition.

I like his ability to extend plays and make plays outside the pocket when the pocket breaks down. That skill has always been important but I believe its even more important in the modern NFL.

I'm not sure why this has it own thread......
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Because I started the first thread in November and time has past.

Since then the Senior Bowl and the Combine.

Mocks have changed so I guess peoples minds may have changed.

Is there some reason why it can not be discussed?

That's an odd question. Is there a reason you think the OP can't be discussed in the threads that already exist?

The board usually merges threads that discuss the same topic and there is already a Baker Mayfield thread open:
https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1388294/film-breakdown-baker-mayfield#Post1388294

There is also a thread on all the QB prospects:
https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1368916/2018-draft-qb-film-breakdown#Post1368916

Also, a good way to keep a thread going is to return to reply to when people respond to your OP, like I did which you haven't.

So, are you going to actually discuss the bulk of the content of my post which was about Mayfield?

I've been warming up to this idea too.

Honestly, any of the three makes me happy.

I can't see the medical evaluations from the combine, so at this moment I like Rosen the most.

But the other two are better prospects than the guys last year IMO. At this point, I like Mayfield more than Darnold, even though I want to like Darnold more.


Mayfield on tape is just really good. No other way to put it. Just hope he's a Phillip Rivers/Kevin Garnett type of personality. Teammates love him, opponents hate'm.

You can't make everybody happy. Which isn't a bad thing at all.

You asked a question and i answered it for you. Not offended at all, kinda amused actually.

Anyhow....want to....i don't know.... discuss...Baker?

Agreed. I think something must have shown up on the Rosen medical at the combine.

Cause no reason to get Taylor if you end up drafting Rosen

I don't put much stock into the speculation/tea leave reading of what trading for Tyrod means in terms of the draft.

The draft will unfold, i don't think Tyrod changes anything about anything about their draft plans that we can know.

I was looking forward to more of a discussion about Baker, i didn't realize the 1 sentence I wrote that wasn't about Baker would be the sum of our discussion. I figured i'd at least get comment or mention either agree/disagree with the observations of Baker that I posted.

I will say that after Cosell's comments, I have taken Mayfield more seriously. His comments about his feet made an impression on me. I saw them as nervous and erratic, but Cosell brought up Manning and how that was just their style.

I have to say that I have a higher appreciation of Mayfield's ability than I previously did, but I still have a ton of question marks about him. I want to rate him higher, but there is no way I would draft him in the top half of the first round.

I very well could be wrong and I have been wrong in the past. So, who knows?

Did you hear this on the Cleveland Browns Daily Podcast?

I think that's the exact thing I heard. Is Cossell the guy who works for NFL Films? That guy was one of the best interviews I've heard in awhile. Like 45 minutes of quality knowledge

EDIT: Now that I found his first name on the board, looks like he is.



I heard that exact same thing though and found it very interesting.


Honestly, I went into watching film with the desire that I didn't want Baker Mayfield and I wanted Sam Darnold. One just was the guy I didn't want (from the outside), one was the guy I did want.


Sam Darnold seems pretty up and down to me. Just lots of inconsistency. Baker Mayfield, on the other hand, is a very exciting guy to watch.

I haven't made my final decision (hope to have it before I go back to work in early April), but at this point I have Rosen 1, Mayfield 2, Darnold 3, Allen a distant four, and Jackson a bit behind Allen.



I think you said earlier that we're going to screw this all up by not taking Rosen. I don't think that's the way to look at it. Possibly we have a situation closer to the Eli, Big Ben, Rivers draft. Three Great Quarterbacks, two Super Bowl winners, one borderline HOFer

I certainly want Dorsey to establish who he likes the most (and pick him number 1), but I don't think it's good to go in with the mindset that it's (insert qb) or nothing. First, you're setting yourself up for a let-down. Second, there could be multiple good quarterbacks in this draft, and there can be multiple ways to cook a good omelet

Petey, I made a thread on this forum about Cosell's takes. It's 29 minutes long. It's very good in a number of areas.

He had Rosen as the best qb, but he was complimentary of Mayfield.

The best parts of the interview were when he talked about accuracy, philosophies, who starts when, pocket passers vs playmakers, etc. Great stuff.

I think it's pretty much exactly what I heard. I listen to a lot of Browns podcasts at work. That and when I work out

Cool. Cosell is the best. I was surprised that he spoke highly of Mayfield. Made me want to take another look. I bet bonefish thought the same and that is why he started this thread.

J/C

Other than size and build, how does TT stack up to Mayfield? I am not a QB guru like you guys. I see similarities in their game, with Mayfield having a MUCH higher ceiling, and a lot more guts to throw in the middle and downfield.

But do you guys think TT was brought here to hold down the spot for Mayfield with their similarities?

I think it is very hard to say because Mayfield has never been asked to make post-snap reads like they do in the NFL. He hasn't taken the 3, 5, and 7 step drops like NFL qbs do. He hasn't been given complex verbiage. He throws to wide-open windows as opposed to the tight windows that TT has had to deal with in the NFL.

I am not saying he can't do those things. I'm just saying we don't know because he hasn't done them yet.

I don't put much stock into the speculation/tea leave reading of what trading for Tyrod means in terms of the draft.

The draft will unfold, i don't think Tyrod changes anything about about the FO draft plans that we can know.

Valid points. IDK, I just have a feeling that we traded for him for a reason - i think its either to groom mayfield, or philly said they were trading foles lol

The only similarities I see is their size. Taylor is a lot more athletic. Mayfield is crafty, but Taylor is more athletic.

But Baker's arm is superior, and I think he has much more potential to be a better pocket passer.


Baker's game in the NFL will be more similar to Drew Brees than Taylor's (and I'm not saying Baker will be Drew Bree's level, but he's going to be more of a pocket passer. He's not the athlete that Taylor is, nor Russell Wilson

I'm just not feeling that train of thought. Don't agree with it either.

Vers thinks the same thing.

Getting a One Year Taylor, to me, doesn't change a thing with who we like best and take at #1.

Rosen or Darnold, you play Taylor until the Rook beats him out and start the future.

This is EXACTLY why I can't see how anyone in the world can even consider this guy in the Top 4.

You just described PROJECT.

I'm going to be PISSED if we take this dude over Darnold or Rosen.

I hope you get pissed. And you're assuming he knows what he's talking about. I think there are a lot more of the experts saying Mayfield could go #1. Teams like Denver and Miami are said to want Mayfield. On top of that all the quarterbacks are considered "projects" but a lot of experts saying Mayfield is one who can start right away.

You don't think day one Rosen beats out Taylor? I mean, if Josh Rosen was going to be our guy, why wouldn't we just make a big play for Josh McCown and keep Deshone Kizer around?

I'm very high on Rosen. He's the most ready of the bunch IMO. He's intelligent, makes multiple reads, extremely accurate, arm capable of throwing in Cleveland, and he throws with anticipation.

He's also played three years as starter of College Football.



If we chose today at number 1, he is my choice. I just am trying to figure out why we'd trade a 3rd for a QB on a 1 year contract, and then select Rosen. Seems like a high price for a backup.

I figure Mayfield or Darnold goes number 1, and Taylor starts the season in 2018. If Mayfield/Darnold don't show much potential or improvement, we franchise Tyrod in 2019. It's a high price to pay, but lower than average QB play is how coaches get fired and teams go 0-16. Taylor's a big insurance policy there

I think people get tunnel vision when it comes to QB prospects. They often don't see or don't mention both pros and cons.

There are reason why Baker fails just as there are reason why Baker succeeds.

Baker does come from a spread offense and therefore faces a transition in terms of what he was asked to do in college and what he'll be asked to do in the NFL. (verbiage, concepts, reads, rhythm drop back passing) There are other QBs that are further ahead of him some of those areas where Baker will be making a transition.

But that doesn't mean he can't do it. There have been spread QBs that have failed and spread QBs that have success.

Baker has a good arm, good accuracy and he can make plays outside of structure.

Imho the main strengths of his game is efficiency. There are plenty of QBs that play in the spread QB that never come close to his efficiency.

For me efficiency is combination of decision making and accuracy. Baker is #1 in college QBR: 92.6
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr
Another statistical representation of efficiency is a crazy passer rating of 198.90

That shows me that within the structure of his offense he's usually making the right decision and making the an accurate throw AND when nothing is there he making good decisions to escape, avoid and create plays. Those are traits that should carry over. Playing QB in the NFL is largely about making the right decisions and being accurate. Baker's ability to avoid sacks and escape from the pocket to extend and make plays is gonna be very important in the NFL as many plays every game come down to QBs ability to make a play outside of structure.

I've read reports that both Dorsey and Scott McClu like Baker.
I'm not saying he's the guy or advocating for him just discussing the prospect.