DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns Trade for Tyrod Taylor

You said the Bills had a better rushing offense. If that means they ran for more yards, ok sure. But if the Browns ran as many times as the Bills the Browns would have more yards rushing.... That is/was my point.

A or B, not C.

But he wasn't released. He was traded..for the 65th pick.

Look, Tyrod was one of the guys I wanted as a bridge QB- Bridewater was another. I thought at the time the trade was made, it was too much. I still think it was. Apparently, so did the Bills.

I'd leak that after a trade too.

"3rd? I was hoping to get a 7th. But I, an intellectual, used my genius to trick those foolish Browns to twist to my every whim!"

It always seems to be the way. Near every trade the Browns make, it soon leaks that the other team wanted only a fraction of what they got. Or a free agent signs at quadruple the price everyone else was offering.

I call it the LolBrowns narrative.

Would you rather have AJ and kept the 3rd rounder?

Let's say they don't offer a 3rd then Tyrod trade might not happen.

I would have preferred to get Tyrod for a lower round pick (like a 5th maybe). Not the first pick in the 3rd round.

Taylor's at least a 2nd better than McCarron already...

Fair enough. I think everyone would like to pay less for what they want.

But, its seems more likely to me that if Dorsey only offered a 4th or a 5th then it would mean that Tyrod is a Cardinal or Bronco.

Why? The other two teams would have offered more in a deal or if released he would have gone to those teams before considering Cleveland?

I kinda agree... I think Dorsey and co. are ecstatic to pay a 3rd rd pick for Tyrod when he paid 2 2nd rd picks for Alex Smith.

I also agree that it's a steep price, but at the same time necessary... Maybe kinda like the Landry deal... so maybe I should just shut my mouth.

More I thought about it, the more I'm on board with this. No 3rd round pick is likely going to help us as much as Taylor should be able. The article says Bills expected less, but who is to say it's even true?

There is more at play with this deal. I'm speculating of course; we got a serviceable starter for a 3rd rounder. The Bills are now in the QB market. We can trade our 4th pick to them and get back that 3rd and much more. So in essence, we could get TT and a few more picks to move down in the draft.

Don't get bent out of shape over a 3rd rounder....let's see when the dealing is done what we really get.

If he ends up being a long-term starter, then it would be a great trade deal. If it's just a one-year bridge, it's very expensive IMO. I'm guessing Dorsey doesn't look at Taylor as the answer to the QB position long-term.

Yed, because I don't think Dorsey is going to arbitrarily pay more then he has to pay.

This is the entire point. Each poster is selecting the source that furthers their belief as gospel and ignoring every other source that says differently. It's more like politics than sports.

Yet we see this happen all the time in the NFL-- with player compensation, trade assets, etc. Especially around this time of year. We'll see how it turns out. I think it was too much, you don't.

If he comes in, starts for half season or so and helps us win games, gets our offense moving and set in stone and etc all while helping the younger QB improve behind the scenes... I wouldn't classify that as very expensive.

AJ wanted to be a franchise guy not a bridge and he is not good enough to justify passing on a QB in this draft. Tyrod is a perfect bridge QB who can easily be resigned if he blossoms or let go of it the role of backup chaffs him.

I mean we could still sign cousins and have tyrod as his back up. A legit backup QB is well worth a 3rd round pick.

It's an interesting situation to be sure and I am very happy we didn't land AJ.

Just an FYI....back in 1985 we traded a 1986 3rd rnd pick to Detroit for QB Gary Danielson with the intent on him starting the 1985 season while Kosar sat and learned.

and funny thing., that worked out for us very well...

Tyrod Taylor is 22-20 as a starter. He has a 62.4% completions. He has 51 td's. verses 18 int's.

We got him for a third round pick. For the life of me I can't imagine how anyone can complain about that.

Nobody could say for sure what we would have gotten in AJ. His film and game experience is far too limited to actually have any real ability to say whet we would have gotten out of him one way or the other.

To me this just goes along with what Dorsey said he wanted from the beginning. Real football players.

We gave a third round pick for McCoy. A third round pick was given for Charlie Frye. We invested a second round pick for DeShone Kizer.

Now we gave a third round pick for a QB with over 40 NFL starts and a winning record who is safe with the football and some are complaining about that? I find the word baffling as an understatement.

I'd like to add the flip side of this.

Buffalo got a 3rd rounder (pretty much a second rounder, tbh), but they've also created a massive hole in their offense (we've seen how turning to Peterman has worked in the past). They've signed themselves up for trading up into the top 5 in the draft (which will take a LOT more than the 3rd they got) to take a rookie QB... and we all know the risk that entails.

Tyrod Taylor has his warts, no doubt... but Buffalo is taking a HUGE gamble.

Vic Carucci is on Cleveland Browns Daily now discussing the Tyrod Taylor and mentioned he strongly believes the Bills are targeting Mason Rudolph in the draft.

If Tyrod throws 18 ints for the SEASON I think we're ahead of the game....

Maybe they aren’t thinking they have to trade up into the top 5. Maybe they have Jackson or Rudolf as their guy and think they can get them where they are. Or only have to move up into the teens to get them.

Good Luck with pick 22

{I posted this in the "Grading the Trades" thread, but maybe here is a better spot, so I cut and paste to here.}

j/c

I'm not as concerned about what these trades cost the Browns as much as some. We have an almost obscene amount of capital to improve the team, and Dorsey is putting that to use. Generally, and more specifically to the Taylor trade, making these trades before free agency starts, signals to the available players that the Browns are no longer the least attractive place in the NFL to sign. If that works, and good players with other options sign with Cleveland, that capital spent on these trades will have been well worth the cost.

32, the bills just made a trade with bengals to include the their 21 for the bengals 12. They may be looking to work up into the top 5 for one of the upper echelon qbs or they may target the second tier qbs at 12.

If the Bills were expecting less in a trade,they sure as hell would not be telling the world.
There are always other trades to be made,a team starts bragging how they fleeced a team,those future trades are going to be a little bit harder to consummate.

This article is a really good look at Tyrod Taylor:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21251222/the-great-debate-buffalo-bills-quarterback-tyrod-taylor

One of my hockey buddies is from Buffalo. He said that Taylor is decent, got an unfair shake in Buffalo. He said that Taylor can be maddening at times, but overall is excellent at just not screwing up a game.

He said one thing that was funny. Taylor is so conservative/safe with the ball that whenever he does uncork one to a receiver that's beyond the screen, you don't even have to wait for the camera to pan over to the receiver to start celebrating. If Taylor throws that ball, the guy is WIDE open.

So what are you saying? We got a lot of dink and dunk coming up?

Nooooo. I hate that. Bamboo under my fingernails.

At least we won’t be turning it over in the red zone.

Just read it, thanks for posting.

Pretty sure we won't even get to the red zone.

Have we ever learned how to throw a proper screen pass on this team?

good read, thanks