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Please elaborate.

BEST TASK any of our gm’s have had since our return ....

Lets just hope they don't Browns it up ...

Let’s hope if they do, they start a new meaning for that phrase.

Interesting take. As you sort of said, it's up to all of these guys (and any QB, period) to become great.

No one, at the QB Position, in the NFL can just walk in, go through the motions and become great.

That's the difference between the best ones and the others. The best QBs work their tails off.


Interesting take on having the right coaching staff. Hard for us to really figure out if there's much to look into there, or if he's merely referring to something that applies to any QB.

I'm sure we'll do our due diligence as an organization and figure it out though

I saw he Mora interview and the comment about the right coaching concerned me too. I love watching Rosen and think he's going to light it up. Clearly the best passer. I just can't be sure he'll be in the league in five years or if he can stay on the field. Too much at stake. I'm with you, I have to go Darnold if I'm the GM.

I would disagree with this to some extent.
Look at Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw.
Both Great players and HOFers

But what would have happened if you had put Bradshaw into the 49ers timing and precision offense and Montana into the Steelers big armed passing game offense

I don't think either would be in the HOF right now

j/c

The discussion of player/coaching matches reminded me of something Cowherd said awhile back (before the Browns hired Haley.) He was talking about Rosen's questioning his coaches, that Rosen wants to understand the whys behind every nuance of every play. He mentioned Haley specifically as being a coach with whom that will cause friction. Isn't not getting along with Roethlisberger a large part of why Haley was released from the Steelers? I'm not saying this should be the deciding factor, but it could be a factor. How would Rosen and Haley get along?

A good coach will
A bad coach would had tried to make Montana throw a bunch of boms because that was "his system"

A good coach adapts
That is where I say the coaching staff matters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m46pwgi8-hA

A Josh Rosen interview on the Rich Eisen show.
22 minutes long.
I'm about half way through and nothing controversial
No red flags but he just seems to have a very flat dull personality (IMO)
I wonder if he got coached into that?

Just an observation, not meant to criticize.
Darnold doesn't seem to have the most engaging personality either.

Personality, starts coming out in the 2nd half of the show.

Maybe they're just 20 and 21 and not that comfortable interviewing on camera.

I mean, RIch Eisen, NFL Network. It can be a bit intimidating and they're trying not to screw up.

Give me the kid who isn't intimidated and isn't afraid to screw up.

lol, it's an interview. I don't think it says much about the football field

It wouldn't factor at all into my decision making process.

It's all speculation about who was at fault more Roethlisberger or Haley.

I think Haley is very sharp football mind and I think Rosen is a good QB prospect.

I expect both to be professionals.

And if they're having difficulties I expect my HC to manage the personalities.

I want my guys to challenge everyone and everything around them. The Browns of all teams have to realize that coaches don't always know more than players.

How poetic would it be if Rosen was trying to skirt the Browns so he could play with OBJ and OBJ ends up somewhere else.....or even more poetic, the Browns.

j/c


Hmmmmmm. Interesting.

Rosen's coach says pick Darnold.
Link

Now this is interesting............. I dunno what to think about this. Is this Rosen asking his coach to keep him from Cleveland? Is this an indictment from his coach? Why would Jim Mora say this about his star player?


EDIT: Here's a link to the real video. It's not that bad. He immediately says Josh Rosen to one of the New York teams "In a heartbeat". He says it's because of fit

https://mobile.twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/978408391117651968/video/1

Yep, that looks bad.

I just wonder what came before that quote. The first word that he uttered in that tweet was "Because..." I doubt that is where the conversation started, but I could be wrong. I'm curious.

I just read your edited post and saw the video. No two ways about it.......that's not good news for those of us who want the Browns to draft Rosen.

Oh well...................and it continues....

Check out the video. Might make you feel better. Words don't always give context/mannerisms/tone like video

I think the Giants really want Rosen and he really wants to go there. I've heard Mara is enamored with him. I think Mora is trying to grease the wheels for that to happen. Saying that Darnold is more of an afc North QB, when both QBs were born in raised in Orange County is lazy. A more helpful insight would be that Josh Rosen has the name of a great Browns player. Think about all the J named players we've had since the Return who have played well. Both are outlandish claims made on very flimsy, circumstantial evidence.

Yes, I saw your video after I posted. Thanks for showing that.

I'm still depressed.

Eh, it's not up to Jim Mora.

Rosen's still my guy. He's who I want with the number 1 pick.

But, as I said, if it's Baker or Sam, I can accept that for sure.



I just hope there's no truth to these Josh Allen rumors

It's weird because in an earlier interview w/Skip and Sharpe, Mora said that he would go w/Rosen over Sam.

Thus, I'm wondering if he is saying that Rosen wouldn't be happy in Cleveland?

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

well the key word is "fit".

what that actually means remains to be seen.

but when i watch the video, Mora comes off as wanting his guy to go to a more stable location. and there's no argument that the giants are a way more stable organization than the browns.

with the browns, there's a chance he will absolutely start at some point in the season. with the giants, unless eli goes down with injury, rosen is absolutely gonna sit no matter what.

Yeah, that's sort of how I see it too.

Giants probably make more sense if you think about Rosen's brand. I've heard the Giants ownership love him too. I've ever heard them rave about his dinner table manners. It sucks to hear, but there was going to be no way that Zampese, Hailey and Rosen don't kill each other before the season was over.

Is Zampese hard to get along with?

I've heard nothing but wonderful things about him as QB Coach it seems

I'm basing that idea on the fact that the Bengals' players complained to Marvin Lewis about him in great lengths, which got him fired. I heard AJ Green doesn't like him and that dude is mad nice and very low key, so Zampese must be doing something wrong.

I think that might have had more to do w/him as an OC than as a person.

That's what i figured. I feel great about Zampese as our QB Coach. And I was really relieved when I found out our next OC was Haley and not him. I've heard nothing but really really good things about him as a QB Coach. He's done it awhile, and people have nothing but great things to say about him.


Sometimes, we're good at some things, and not other things.

I saw the entire interview and his comments sounded pretty stupid to me. It actually had nothing to do with playing the position at all. Here's the jist of it......

Darnold is a gritty kid. That fits the image of Cleveland. A blue collar town with a gritty QB just fits.

Rosen is more polished. It just fits a city like New York.

I think people need to quit thinking everything is run by the deep state and that this is the latest conspiracy. lol

I just want the guy who's going to be the best. Polished or Gritty means nothing to a team that just went 0-16 and has made the playoffs once in 20 years