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I believe Chris Simms said that Lamar was his #1 not Kannel.

Unless Kannel said to also.

The one thing I am learning from this is that there is absolutely no real consensus for the #1 overall pick.

ESPN thinks it's Darnold and it very well could be, but the rankings are really all over the place.

Forgot that I heard Simms say it as well

I fixed myself haha.

Substitute Lamar for Hogan, but keep Rosen at 5, cuz he's my first and last, final choice.

Rosen
Sam
Baker
Hogan
Rosen

Oof

My rankings of these guys change on a daily basis it seems. As of now they probably stand like this:

1) Rosen. He seems the safest pick. He's got decent size, is the most pro-ready, most accurate, great mechanics and seems to know offensive concepts really well. The two things I want in a QB are offensive smarts and accuracy and he seems to have them. The biggest drawbacks are things we don't have any insight on. Is he healthy? Does he have the right attitude? Does he really want to play for us? If those check out, why wouldn't we want to draft him?

2) Darnold. He was my top player at the end of the regular season. Then I actually watched him play. In his Bowl game I was thinking the whole time, is the really the guy people have tagged for the first pick? It's got to be something about his throwing motion, happy feet, or turn-over propensity. As I watched him against Ohio State I thought he'd probably get booed off the field if he was playing like this as a Brown. So I watched a few more games of his on Youtube and still wasn't very blown away. Then I read about his great Pro Day and other workouts and I figure maybe the experts are seeing things I'm not. Everything I read about him is great. I'm hoping that it's just his throwing motion that's making me feel weird about him, and it's not some grand media conspiracy that's trying to talk him up a bunch, so we'll over-draft him and let Rosen go to New York.

3) Mayfield. Don't know what to think about him either. Yeah, you wonder about his maturity and smaller stature, but going back to the two things I look for in QBs, those are his best qualities. NFL Network seemed to be blown away with his understanding of concepts in Whiteboard sessions, and it's stories like that which make me think he's much closer to being a Russel Wilson than a Johnny Manziel.

4) Allen. I think the rankings drop off a bit at this point. Allen struggled with accuracy in a weaker conference. He looks the part of a prototypical QB and has a cannon, but he seems to be much more of a project. Like I've said, accuracy and intelligence is what I'm looking for, and he's definitely behind the top three in those categories.

5) Jackson. He's sort of in the same boat as Allen. A little better accuracy, but I heard that he really struggled with offensive concepts in a whiteboard session. We would also have to completely revamp our offense to tailor to his skill set, but all that said, QBs like him are very plug and play. You don't necessarily need him to learn an entire offensive playbook to be effective. If things break down or he gets confused by coverage, he can always fall back to running and still be very dangerous.

(rankings subject to change by tomorrow)

I am not saying I think you need to be a better poster or anything like that. You made a comment and I commented on it. You know, like what happens on a message board.

As far as I know the only QBs that have done media "whiteboard" sessions are Rudolph and Mayfield.

I heard you say something similar in another thread with no support or link. Imho i don't think you should repeat information when you question its veracity.
https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1424558/excldawg#Post1424558

I apologize in advance as I don't intend this reply to be antagonistic. But people do gather information from this board.

I already posted this in the Mayfield film breakdown thread, but I'm not sure that's an active thread anymore, and this *might* be significant ...

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From Gil Brandt's Twitter today:

Verified account; @Gil_Brandt

@Gil_Brandt

32 teams were at @OhioStateFB pro day today, including Belichick, GMs from CLE, MIN, TEN, GB, PIT, DET & HCs from MIN, CIN, PIT, DET. Browns sent contingent of 7

https://twitter.com/Gil_Brandt/status/976928291331358720

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So if Browns' GM Dorsey was at OSU's pro day today, guess where he wasn't? Baker Mayfield was scheduled to work out for the Browns today in Oklahoma, wasn't he?

That's what I'm thinking....... Interesting. Wonder if he'll make the trip to Wyoming

I don't know if it's that significant. I think Dorsey has talked to Mayfield and seen him play several times.

There were probably players at OSU that Dorsey wanted to meet and see. Ward perhaps? A possible pick at 4?

We could spend all day....or month reading in to it.



Maybe Dorsey has seen what he needs to see.....either good or bad?

Maybe he wanted to scout some OSU players?

Maybe he wants to draft Baker at 4 but wants to make people think he isn't interested?


Maybe he doesn't like the food in Oklahoma?


I think he is pretty set on Darnold. That's what I think. Time to move on to other draft choices, Ward being a possibility.

The #4 pick will come down to maybe 4 players. Fitz, Ward, Chubb, or Barkley. If one is gone by #4, maybe Nelson.

Btw...

I'll say

1 Mayfield
2 Rosen
3 Darnold
4 Jackson
5 Lauletta

Rosen & Darnold could flip flop. I go back and forth on them like a seesaw.

I think Joe Thomas made a convincing argument why a short QB is a tough sell. According to Joe it's hell for the Tackles to drive so far back on every single snap. Also since they can't see the field well they tend to break the pocket to see better which forces the o-line to work twice as hard to cover where they can only THINK he might be instead of KNOWING.

That's something to strongly think about coming from arguably the best LT to ever play the game. If he would hate blocking for a QB like that imagine how lesser offensive tackles must hate it.

I think I read somewhere that the last 64 QBs under 6'1" only 3 turned out to be franchise QBs. Brees,Russel Wilson and I forget the 3rd.

Tyrod is only 6'1 so you could count him as a third. Dealing with tyrod's height might have been a strong reason Joe decided to retire too.

Mike Vick?

Oof.

Vick was a franchise QB.
In theory.

If Lamar Jackson had come out of the draft in 2003 / 2004 I think he may very well have gone #1 or at least in the top #10.

Interesting how the perception of running QB's has changed

If Lamar Jackson was in this draft but there was no Darnold, Rosen, Allen, or Mayfield he might go #1. This is a super deep QB draft.

Good point. Didn't think of it that way.

C'mon. You think Joe retired because of Tyrod? The QB he advocated for?

Nice to see Kyle get into the top 5.

I don't know about you all, but this might be the scariest football image I've ever seen in my life.

Yes, it's Jimmy.

Hopefully he's doing a crossword puzzle.

Word search. He's looking for the word... QUARTERBACK

Looking at porn on his iPad.

I should have used the phrase: "CAPTION THIS".

Tier one:

Rosen
Darnold

Tier two:

Mayfield
Jackson

Tier three:

Rudolph
Allen

Browns Consulting Bill Parcells for Draft Quarterbacks
Updated March 5, 2018
By Charlie Campbell. Follow Charlie on Twitter @draftcampbell.

Weeks ago, a lot was made how the Browns hired former Redskins general manager Scot McCloughan to be a consultant leading up to the 2018 NFL Draft. WalterFootball.com has learned that McCloughan isn't the only big name who has given the Browns some feedback on draft prospects, as Hall of Fame head coach Bill Parcells has also shared his thoughts with them. Parcells has watched the quarterbacks and shared what he thinks of them with high-ranking Browns officials.

Sources didn't reveal which quarterback or quarterbacks Parcells was the highest on, but it sounded like he wasn't a fan of UCLA's Josh Rosen. In the past, Parcells has believed that for a general rule, he wanted his quarterbacks to have started for three years or had 30 starts in their college career. Of those parameters here's how the quarterbacks rank in terms of playing experience: Baker Mayfield (48 games), Lamar Jackson (38 games), Rosen (30 games), Sam Darnold (27 games), and Josh Allen (27 games).

The former Cleveland front office was known for using an analytic approach to the draft. Sources say the Browns' new regime is going to a more old-school approach under general manager John Dorsey. Sources around the league are saying there are rumblings that Cleveland is going to have some big turnover in its scouting staff, and the analytic approach is going to be a very minor consideration rather than the guiding principles. Consulting scouting vets like McCloughan and Parcells fits with the old-school philosophy of Dorsey and other front office executives like Alonzo Highsmith and Eliot Wolf.

There have been a big variety in reports on which quarterback Cleveland is targeting in the 2018 NFL Draft. Some have linked the Browns to really liking Mayfield; others have said Allen is a favorite of Cleveland; while others think the Browns are leaning towards Darnold as their quarterback of choice. Between McCloughan and Parcells, the Browns are considering outside opinions in making a critical decision for the new regime under Dorsey.

http://walterfootball.com/NFLHotPress

I can't think of a person I would want to have less say than Bill Parcells. Dude is out to lunch. Scratch that, Bill Polian is worse.

I'd literally rather have device dawg yelling at our front office about Baker Mayfield than Bill Parcells having any input.

Also, Bill Parcells didn't even follow his own QB rules.

And last but not least, Walter Football is trash.

Tell us how you really feel!

So would you be upset with this outcome?

http://walterfootball.com/draft2018.php

1- QB Darnold
4- RB Barkley

33- DE/DT-Maurice Hurst
35- CB-Isaiah Oliver
64- OT-Martinas Rankin

Yer coming around.

Some stupid mock draft is supposed to sway me?

I agree here .. honestly, I'm over Bill Polian acting like he's the end-all be-all. The dude drafted Peyton Manning LOL