DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum A Farewell and Thank You to Sashi ...

I happen to agree with much of what Cole says. But if we've learned anything about Haslam, it's that he will not put up with internal power struggles. That much became very clear during the Banner-Lombardi era.

Trading two second round picks for AJ McCarron would have been abysmally stupid, but Sashi's handling of the situation is what ultimately got him fired, I believe. It seemed that Haslam could live with stupidity, but not undermining subterfuge. The most surprising thing of all in my mind at the time was that both Sashi and Hue weren't fired. But I think Haslam was trapped. Hoisted on his own petard of continuity. He had to keep Hue or once again be accused of having a revolving door on the coach's office. He did the only thing he could do at the time. Fire Sashi. Passing on Wentz and Watson isn't what did him in. This is. IMO.

And some mebers of the community are RUDE as all get out ... if u think pointing t out is uncivil ... sign me out for UNCIVIL ...

U di what amounted to a lie when u basically post dated a pic ... i called it out ...

You and a few others on both sides ruin every thread ... i been calling it out ...

No clue what u said on Cals thread ... didnt respond to towns snowflake whining ... OUT OF RESPECT FOR CAL ... i spoke my piece after cal went there .. i said what i had to say and now will only speak on topic in that thread ...

GOOD JOB coming here with the discussion about YOUR HERO ...

Its where it belongs .. and i got no probs hashing it out with u on this one ... cause its where it belongs ...

Problem is .. i have zero desire to debate u on anything ... u basically lie and then say im uncivil ... okie doke smokie ..

I hardly read u anymore ... guess what .. u dont need to read me either ...

Not a fan of POST DATERS who INTENTIONALLY MISLEAD ...

Not why i’m Here ...

GOOD JOB THOUGH ... way to stay on topic FOR ONCE ...

I miss that big ole crybaby one ... it was funny as heck ... *L* everytime ..

Wouldn’t mind being able to use the middle finger emoji once on awhile ... i keep suggestions it to no avail ... *L* ..

I agree that Baker > Wentz or Watson.

Those guys are good, but Wentz makes a living dinking the ball at or short of the LOS and then gets credit due to YAC. He benefits from talent on that team with a stud TE as they won a SB without him and WITH Foles.

Watson holds the ball FOREVER and takes a ton of sacks. He also has terrific skill players around him and a very stout D to bail out his sacks. When his legs age or get injured, he's not going to be good anymore.

I would have taken either of those guys over what we had the past two years...but neither of those guys show the innate QB skills that Baker displays on a regular basis...not even close to my eye.

I'm not sure that Sashi saw the '18 class coming as much as I AM sure that Hue was part of the decision to pass on Wentz & Watson. Just like I am CERTAIN that it was Hue's idea to sell the farm for McCarron.

One of those two guys did what he was hired to do...and one did not. I hope for the days when those days/guys are just a bad dream and I go back to not knowing/caring who drafted/traded/signed who because we are winning and that stuff just doesn't matter.

I recall said photo/post and you accusing me of photoshopping. I never photoshopped any photo let alone to do so in an effort to prove my case. Trust me, I wouldn't need to. It's not that important to me. Fact is, I'm not the one lying and misleading. That would be you. If you need to make up stories because you were wrong about something and can't admit it I'm not in charge of stopping you. But just remember you're the one who looks foolish.

If you would like to put water under the bridge and move on. I'm all for it. You and your friend's games are tiresome. We are all people here and there's no need to hide behind the internet and call people names and accuse them of things they didn't do. But if that's what you want to do, go for it. I can't stop you from slandering on the internet, all I can do is ask you to please stop.

I didn't use to have issues with you, it's ashame you've taken this road.

If you care to be civil and stop ruining threads I'm sure this will be a much more fun place for all of us.

The thing for me is that reading articles now about how you need to win, or turn a franchise around, it appears to me that Sashi was ahead of the game.

The best way to win, I read, is to build up the team before you land your rookie quarterback. While he's on his rookie deal this provides a great or the best chance to win. In my mind this is incredible foresight by Sashi.

Had we drafted Wentz or Watson, we'd still be looking for players to compliment him. The assets from that trade (yes, some have left us) has equipped us with a pretty good team.

I think the question should be look at the players we acquired from those trades vs having either Wentz or Watson and decide what you'd rather have.

The talk that when Sashi was here and we drafted horribly is a farce. I'd tell those people to look at the other 31 teams and tell me who has drafted better. Our success rate under Sashi is unprecedented. Those who don't acknowledge the good that occurred the previous 2 years just don't get it.

I have read many books about NFL GMs and how to build a winning franchise, including Bill Polian and Ron Wolf (a book eotab references constantly). I would love to read a book about Sashi and how the Browns became relevant again... we didn't become relevant without him no matter how much credit people want to give Dorsey. This is the part of the NFL I love. Aside from the Browns winning games of course.

j/c

It's funny how some can try to twist passing on two good QB's as some kind of positive when it got a guy fired. lmao

So it was Sashi’s job to PASS ON TWO FRANCHISE QB’S ...

Thats an ODD job DESCRIPTION for an NFL Personal guy ... sheesh bro ... some teams go 20 years w/o even a bite at that apple ... Sashi’s plan was to count on it 3 years in a row ... GOOD PLAN ...

Pretty sure IF he ever tries to get in another personal role in the NFL ... that may be when they stop reading ... *LOL* ...

Thanks to sashi for what he did ... and i mean that ... its why i started the thread ... ...

it was still the DUMBEST HIRE IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS ...

His job may have been to tear the team down ... but going 1 - 31 WAS NEVER IN THE PLAN ... EVER ... he got FIRED cause he could not find a QB ... even if he had the BRAINS to keep McCown he would have 2 or 3 games last year and everything would have been fine ...

He then gets himself fired cause the HC he wasnt even on speaking terms with anymore (it takes two ... ) ... goes and makes a deal behind his back and he then Sashi lost his job for whatever reason as a direct result of that ...

It was a team effort guys ... a TEAM EFFORT ... plenty of blame to go around .... starting at the HEAD OF THE SNAKE ... one Mr. & Misses THIEF ...

As soon as i hit the submit button on my post to Willie ..

I thought ... i can hear the discussion now ...

What about Wentz/Watson ... naa ... there to good ... we wont draft high enough to get bake in 2 years or next year if we do that ... ...

Man .. i gotta quit this Pit .. i dont wanna do this all off season ... thats on me ...

No clue how u guys keep engaging ... i just started engaging with either side ... well pretty much when i made this post ... i stood out of it for SO LONG ...

I didnt say u PHOTO SHOPPED .. i quit reading there ...

ANOTHER what in is my opinion a LIE ...

Do u ... never mind ...

Not that anyone other than u is gonna read this ... i know I wouldn’t .. crap .. i only read that one line in any posts u made on this thread ... i didnt even read the first one .. *L* ..

If anyone cares ...

- the haters were ripping Hue on his “woe is me tour” for saying he didnt go meet with Riley after the draft ...

- i then said more than likely no Need cause they spent a ton of time with Riley pre-draft ... then i said ... did O’Brien meet with Sweeney after he drafted Watson ... suggesting i doubt any of them ever do it ..

- device then posts a pic of Sweeney/O’Brien talking at the senior bowl i believe with some smart ass remark about HERE’S YOUR PROOF ...

Then that tiny little detail the DATE/TIME stamp revealed it was taken at the senior bowl the YEAR AFTER WATSONS ROOKIE SEASON ...

Geee ... what picture did he paint ... i aint got time for crap like that ...

Learn the difference between PHOTO SHOPPING and basically POST DATING a pic ... guess u all ready know that ... based off your ehtics on the post i’m Talking about u more than likely do know that ...

Go chat with Rasta for all i care ..

Not wasting my time on dawgs like u ...

THANK U for keeping it here if u did that ..

THATS ALL I OR A HOST OF OTHERS HAVE EVER ASKED ...

Well...I essentially said the following:

I think that Hue had as much say in the QB (draft +) decisions as did anyone else in the Org...at least pre-Dorsey;

I know Hue thought RG3 was a starting caliber NFL QB;

I saw that Hue was willing to sell the farm for McCarron;

I think Wentz and Watson are good...but overrated;

I think Wentz and Watson would be viewed - and perform - quite differently on lesser-talented teams;

I think Baker will be significantly better than either of them.

So Hue wanted third and second rounders to build a franchise around? Yeah, that makes sense.

Did you mean to click on me? Because I didn't say anything like that.

The team was not good enough to support a rookie QB and that rookie QB would have been destroyed given the surrounding team.

OR

If we drafted the QB we would have been too good and not able to have the golden future we are now able to have.

In the end I think both of the above premises are false. I think we would have drafted a QB if the one we wanted was available. I think we would have drafted Jared Goff if the Rams hasn't taken him number one and I think we would have drafted Patrick Mahomes if the Chiefs didn't trade in front of us.

I don't think much went according to plan under Sashi Brown and Hue Jackson. With that said, I am grateful that both were with the team because they contributed to the bright future that we now have (in very different ways).

Well Diam since that's the only subject that seems to be brought up in every thread, what else is there to talk about?



Team defense? Sashi and Hue....

The OL? Sashi and Hue....

There are some who can never stop looking backwards long enough to look forward. It's like a sore full of ooze that just won't heal because some just can't stop pulling the scab off of it.

I guess where we differ is that if one would have coached better, we could have gotten a few wins that wouldn't have done anything to actually help.

If the other had drafted better we wouldn't have had to of waited until now to start to see an improvement in talent on our team.

If I'm getting what you're saying it's something like this.... "It's a good thing we sucked so long because if not we wouldn't be where we are now."

I have to disagree with that.

You've mentioned this a few times....Hue was given 6 first round draft picks in three years. WTF are you talking about referring to building a team with second and third rounders?

I am only speaking on the Sashi/Hue years here. All the other prior years of sucking didn't set us for anything other than more sucking.

The silly theory is that Hue chose the QB's. You don't stake your career on leftover QB's in the draft.

Just so we're clear-- they didn't attempt to build the team with 2nd/3rd rounders? I think it's important that comment is walked back like your signature quote.

So to this reply... everything Hue said about Griffin, Kessler, not wanting Wentz, or, in his defense, really wanting Goff, was fabricated? And his media tour about wanting every QB under the sun three years later is the truth? I guess I'm looking for your take on Hue's role in all of this. I agree with you when you have stated in the past that, ultimately, the call on draft pick selection falls to Sashi. There is no doubt about that....unless there were situations we're unaware of (Manziel for example) where Jimmy trumped everyone. But everyone from Sashi, Haslem, and Hue himself, upon being hired, are quoted as saying he will have a huge say/role in any QB being drafted. There literally is evidence everywhere. I'd submit, where Sashi did wrong, was listening to Hue on that front, particularly where it relates to Wentz.

I mean, seriously, you cannot tell m the McCarron trade wasn't a Hue thing. That alone should show you where Hue's role was in all of this QB search, right?

The reality is that Hue absolutely had a say on the QB decisions. He was as culpable as anyone else.

jc -

Sashi was bad.

Hue was bad.

Neither made the best of their situations.

They are no longer here.

The end.

You're just trying to break the forum record on "likes" to a post. We know.

I'm doing my best not to make the resident clowns look like the idiots they are so I'm trying to post neutral, objective posts.

I know you get it. We'll never agree on his hips though bro.

Never say never, Rish.

Bro, seriously bro!

lol, Link? Sashi was fired in December after the trade deadline. After the McCarron debacle, not after the draft. You guys keep spouting that it was "passing on the two good QBs" that got him fired. Reality is, that has simply become the convenient mantra of those who wish it to be true.

In retrospect, it's easy to tout Wentz and Watson as two major misses because hindsight is 20/20. But no one really knew. Wentz was inexperienced and Watson was seen to be a system, run first QB. Couple that with the idea that Sashi was working a plan to build out the team first, and one can find reasons for his decision making. You may not agree, but he clearly wasn't drafting to please a fan base, only to execute his plan. We'll never know if it would have worked out or not, but there is evidence that he might have been on to something. And that's all anyone is saying as far as I can tell. No one is twisting anything, only offering an opinion on Sashi's approach.

lmao all you want. Disagree all you want. But once again, you're merely stating an opinion as fact.

Holy moly. Let it go.

I lied about nothing. I photoshopped nothing.

Only you would make it a point that an incident didn't happen in a certain irrelevant time frame to fit your agenda. It's like saying the trash wasn't picked up today because the trashman didn't come between 4:30 and 5 o clock, but rather came at 5:30 and you're saying see I told you he didn't come today.

I do it out of LOGIC ...

If he got a QB we would have won some games in year 2 ... the bye week wouldn’t have happenend ...

W/o that .. why would he have gotten fired? ...

Its my opinion ... its not a fact ... same with your argument ... ...

I do it out of LOGIC too. Yes, it's my opinion, based on the facts. . Frankly at this point, I don't really care why he was fired. The only way I would find it interesting again is if I were sitting down with Haslam doing shots of tequila and convinced him to tell me what went down. About four shots in, I'd be fascinated.

If u cant see what u did wrong ... u can ... using this BS to distract is your only shot ... hence teh continued use of the word photoshop ...

But IF u really can’t see what u did wrong ... u got bigger issues than your willingness to MISLEAD to make a point ...

U just keep MISLEADING ... we all have our strengths ... u may wanna turn this one in ..

Last post i read or respond to u from U in here .. this isn’t FUN or CONSTRUCTIVE and NO ONE CARES ....

I’ll see u in a while ... ignoring u for a bit .. this place will be a lot more fun wth me not dealing with MISLEADERS ...

Enjoy device ... thanks again for keeping it in here ...

Well you would actually have to follow a conversation to gain context. I know that's a tall task. And yes, coaches support their players. Didn't mean to blow your mind with that tidbit of information.

And my sig.? You can add your theory as to what it means rather than see it's a direct quote from Dorsey if you like. But I think you would rather add the context you prefer to see in it rather than what it is.

Seeing it and admitting it are two different things.

U and I would go a way different route with a DRUNK THIEF ... i may have to make the ultimate sacrifice for my fellow dawgs ... ...

Sad part Cal .. I NEVER CARED ... i started the thread .. *L* ...

I wanna focus on the future ... i just cant take it when they make up BS to show how bad Hue is ... i’m Not talking about U ..

U and I have an honest disagreement ... as do me and Memph ... others make crap up and play dirty ... not for me ..

I’m NO FAN of either side ... i just wanna have fun and focus on the future ...

Bout time i did that ... RUN DIAM RUN ... *L* ...

I’m out bro ... i gotta quit this or im gonna have to suspend myself from here like i did in the cess pool ... this is water under the bridge and we gots some fun stuff to chat about ... i’ll Go do that ... IF THEY allow us to discuss other stuff and dont keep turning every thread into sashi or hue bashing and sticking up for them ..

Have fun ... ...

No one did. There's an alternate universe.

Again. I'm not the one misleading. There are a few of you who do this and I'm not sure what joy you get out of it. Godspeed.

This is the quintessential 'pull a vague, non-specific reply out of my ass because I can't answer what was asked of me' post. "lmao"

I'm sorry that you can't comprehend what the conversation was and what I was responding to. I'll pray for you.

The funny thing about your signature is that it's misleading. Dorsey retracted and refined what he said but you continue to misrepresent his actual thoughts.