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With Stanton signed...

Thanks for the memories, Cody!

Thanks for the memories, Kevin (who people oddly thought could be our future)!

I'd say neither make the team. How far along it goes before being cut is up in the air.

Our QB dept chart will look like this:

1. Taylor
2. Stanton
3. Rookie

No way we keep 4 QB's.


Maybe with some luck we will be able to trade one of them, so keeping them in to camp makes some sense.

Nothing to think about. This goes with the Vet presence we needed.

Piggy back off the thought of a #1 pick QB NOT sitting very long historically, here's our depth chart when the Rook is ready;

Darnold/Rosen
Taylor
Stanton

Not shabby at all.

Solid move.

So does this open the door in considering Mason Rudolph or Mike White?

I kid, half-kid....

I like the plan. If the rook is not ready we don't have to play him if injuries force our hand. Taylor and Stanton in relief should be able to generate some wins.

It could, but then we would have to carry 4 QBs this year unless you think we could slide one of them to the practice squad.

Taylor
Stanton
Darnold

That's an improvement over:
Kizer
Kessler
Hogan

Most everyone, not here on the Board, is assuming that Taylor will be mediocre at best.
Then the Rookie comes in at some point this year, Lights it Up, Saves the Franchise and all is right in the Browns' World.
And historically that's worked so well for us...... lol!

Stanton gives us a solid backup... appears to be a good mentor/team guy.
Rookie has two experienced stabilizing forces to teach him by example.

What I'm hoping happens.
Taylor, w/ a new surrounding cast of characters, actually Lights it Up.
Or at the very least plays his usual solid ball protection best, thus grabbing 6 or so wins... and I'm thinking maybe more.
Stanton stays the Band-aid... Rookie gets some Garbage Time.
Then next year, w/ a now solid cohesive front line, serviceable receiving corp and backfield, Taylor and the Rookie duel it out in Training Camp.

I don't see Taylor as mediocre. I think he will play well.

The problem with him battling it out with the rook next year is we will have to sign him since this is the last year of his deal.

If he plays great, are we going to sign him for what he would command? If he doesn't, we won't sign him.

If he plays great, I hope we sign him. I don't care if we have a #1pick QB on the roster....but we probably won't sign him.

TT is a 1 and done in Cleveland. We will have to focus on signing Landry long term, which IMO is going to be a problem.

Hopefully if he plays great but the rookie is going to start we franchise tag Taylor and at least get a couple decent picks for him.

Maybe, but we will probably have to do that with landry.

I agree with this, and I think this is pretty much set in stone. I do not see Kessler or Hogan cracking into that lineup.

I am curious, if we draft Rosen or Darnold, does that give us the best QB room in the AFCN?

Not yet .... i’d say maybe 2nd behind Big Ben ... he’s head and shoulders better than anyone in the division ... and your #1 is who matters the most when grading a QB room in my book ...

In a few years ... when our rook is a few years in .. it may be us ... for now ... NOT EVEN CLOSE ...

I’m not sure why there’s any discussion of the qb room ... its OBVIOUS as all hell whose in and whose out ...

The connection between Dorsey and Hogan was a DRAFT DAY one ... Hogans done NOTHING since that day to prove hes anything even remotely close to an nfl qb ... folks give Dorsey drafting him way to much credence 2 years after the fact ..

We have Stanton for two years.
Rook is BTA AND unproven obviously.
Best case scenario would be having TT far exceeding his expected 'Bridge' role.
Landry should light up the middle. He's a Probowler after all.
They are made for each other... Slot Passer to Slot Receiver.
I see TT as a Starter for a long time. Maybe not here but.....
I REALLY haven't a problem w/ paying Landry his net worth to keep him and working a deal w/ TT. We have the money!
It should be fun seeing this play out....

THAT would be a problem we haven't seen here in decades!

Yeah, except Landry franchised would be an ungodly amount of money.

We've gotta get Landry extended soon. Once the season starts, guys usually don't sign extensions (I think)


Landry will want his extension before he stands a chance of getting injured on the practice field. Should be a very high priority


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EDIT: Drew Stanton is a great signing though. Not only will he be Tyrod's backup (which, unless Tyrod is incredible and gets franchised, Tyrod will only be here a year). But he can also mentor whoever our QB is.

Little things, like a veterans advice as to how you do this or that. Nothing too major of course. Just how to be a professional. How to prepare properly. When to go to bed. Dealing with losing. Dealing with pressure. I used to think the mentor QB aspect was a little overblown. To a degree, I still think it is. But after listening to the way a bunch of people talked about Josh McCown, I think it does hold a bit of merit.

And Drew Stanton has had some success.


Tyrod can focus on winning football games. Stanton can focus on being the backup and helping the rookie along

I've always wondered if we don't keep Kessler if Belichick would take him as a backup. We shall see.

I get what you are saying, and I was not suggesting we had someone better than Ben. Was looking at the position over all, including depth.

I agree it's the starter that makes the biggest difference.

Oof, i don't think so. Kessler really regressed last season it seemed like

I think we are getting a little too excited about our qbs. LOL

The situation is better than it was, but it's still not very good.

I'm just happy to see Kessler and Hogan on their way out.


Drew Stanton is a good backup option. And the right fit for our team. Taylor's shown himself pretty durable, so i doubt Stanton would see the field. Sometimes I do think that folks give Taylor a bit too much credit though. I mean, there's a reason Buffalo kept trying to get rid of him.

I'd still say we have the fourth best QB in the AFC North. Taylor is not as good as Flacco or Dalton. But, he's a big step up from what we've had the past couple years

much would have rather matt moore, not a fan of Stanton.

We only signed him because we couldn't get his fellow MSU alum, Kirk Cousins

See the problem is that people are of the mind set that a rookie QB has to play because he's taken #1. That may have been the way in the past when the rookie was making starter money right off the bat, but the Rookie scale takes that all away. You are paying him like a back-up (I don't know the yearly salary but it cannot be 20 million per year) so you are not beholden to that contract like Bradford's was with STL. So if we draft a QB, then we can sit him until he's ready. There's no rush.

We need to get out of this archaic way of thinking. Don't play the kid because he's a high pick, play him because you think he's ready.

And here's to Taylor playing well enough so the rookie can do that. No way we are going 0-16 this year.

Stanton certainly is no prize. At best he's a veteran presence. With a 1:1 TD to INT ratio and a 66 career rating I pray he never sees the field. Frankly, I'd rather have Kizer.

It's a nice signing in regards to upgrading the depth and experience at the QB position. Nothing earth shattering but I've always been a proponent of upgrading your roster anywhere you can and that's what they just did.

He'll probably pick up Hogan and make a Pro Bowler out of him.

Hes a nice insurance policy in case TT goes down and we don’t want to put the rook in ...

He’s a “secondary bridge” ... *LOL* ...

He’s also a good mentor .. someone whose been around a lot longer than Cody or Hogan ..

This is a good addition for a BUM ... ...

Ok, I get it now.
Veteran backup to protect our new rookie QB in case TT gets hurt.

To a starving man, dumpster diving is an acceptable way to get a need satisfied.

Just wondering. Have you watched him play? I've seen him in a couple games for Arizona. He wasn't that bad IMO. Definitely a backup of course. But not that bad.

He's no Charlie Whitehurst

I don't think it's archaic at all. In fact, I started a thread on the topic. I looked up all of the QBs who were drafted either 1st, 2nd, or 3rd overall in the last ten years and provided information about how soon they played. Here is the list:

yea, and even if you looked at the numbers for QB's drafted in the first round in general, it only enforces your post even more.

I would like to clarify something I said earlier. I do think that our qb room has a ways to go and that right now it's well below average, but we still have the first overall pick and I think signing Stanton was a solid move.

I was not bad-mouthing Drew Stanton or saying it was a bad signing. Instead, I was simply suggesting that we use caution when looking at the qbs in particular and the team in general.

I've seen the fans get excited many times and overestimate the talent on this team, only to blow a gasket when the harsh reality of the season set in. That enthusiasm and bravado turns into despair and vindictiveness and the calls for firings reach a crushing crescendo.

I agree. Rather than admit it was them who overestimated the talent we had and their perceived idea of wins and losses, they look for a scapegoat to blame their mistake on.

I saw some of the game against the Rams, and watched the highlights of the Lions game. The highlights look good (of course) but I've also seen him toss an INT when no one was around. He's got, what, ten years in the league? I'm fairly sure it's a veteran in the QB room type signing more than anything. I get the signing, because he's a vet, but I would rather have Kizer learning behind TT than Stanton as a mentor. JMHO

Oh, sure. I like Deshone Kizer.

But he's gone. We got that Demarius Randall guy instead (who, hopefully is gonna contribute)

But Stanton, I prefer over Hogan and Kessler. Those guys I don't think will be anyting in the NFL. So why develop one of them, just trying to become a Drew Stanton, when we already have Stanton who will contribute more (in terms of mentorship and experience)


But yes. I'd prefer Kizer over Stanton. Kizer was a warrior last year. Things didn't go well. He didn't play as well as I hoped. But he went out there and took a beating like a champ. And I love the guy for that.

I really do wish Deshone the best in Green Bay. And I hope he develops to become a more accurate passer and a better QB.

But Kizer aint here. So, if it's Hogan/Kessler verses Drew Stanton. I'll take Stanton everyday and then some

With a 1:1 TD to INT ratio doesn't that make Stanton a Tad better than Kizer?

You're right. In the here and now, I get why they signed him, and I like the smart-moveness of it (forgive my word crafting) in that if you're drafting a rookie it's smart to have two vets in the room. And if I have a seventh, eighth, ninth year starter I want a vet backup and a rookie/young player in the room. Bringing in Stanton was the right thing to do. Guess I'm just not used to seeing that. I'd give Hogan more time under a different set of circumstances, and Kessler should have been tossed out with the chicken bones last year. In fact it's kind of funny when you think about it that Kessler got more time with the Browns than Kizer.

What happens to that grand plan if Taylor plays really well this year? Do you still dump him for a guy that has never taken an NFL snap? Personally, I hope Taylor plays so well we sign him long term. Point being, saying that the rookie will take over and him actually doing so are two different things. Taylor could have something to say about that...

IMHO, if TT lights it up this year, the FO gets him under contract and the rookie has to beat him out in camp in '19. If he doesn't he sits until he can.