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Now don't get mistaken for me saying this is right or wrong, BUT!
In most every case I can think of, a #1 draft pick at QB is something a team is all in on. You have TT that has been pretty much a .500 starter over the length of his career. For your scenario to happen he would have to morph into something he's never been.
IMO that's exactly why they got a QB like TT. A competitive starter but not one who will prevent a team from moving forward. He is not and never will be a Kirk Cousins, Jimmy G. or Alex Smith.
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If Taylor and Stanton are both hurt, you're hoping it's after week 12. For the Browns, history suggests that's wishful thinking.
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IMHO, if TT lights it up this year, the FO gets him under contract and the rookie has to beat him out in camp in '19. If he doesn't he sits until he can. And if the rookie beats him out, TT will have trade value, maybe more than we paid to get him.
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j/c:
I get the feeling a lot of posters really haven't watched Tyrod Taylor much in the NFL.
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If Drew Stanton has to play we are screwed. He is really, really bad. He isn't good, but he's better than Kessler and Hogan.
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j/c:
I get the feeling a lot of posters really haven't watched Tyrod Taylor much in the NFL. i watched him take buffalo to the playoffs.
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I doubt you watched him because he sure as hell didn't "take them to the playoffs."
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I doubt you watched him because he sure as hell didn't "take them to the playoffs." lol. But he is the best we've had in awhile. And as you said earlier, Stanton is better than Kessler and Hogan.
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Great signing. Stanton now becomes the rooks mentor. They will be tied at the hip, on the bench, in the film room, and the hotel room while in camp and on the road.
Not that TT wouldn't help him, but now we have a solid pro back-up to help whoever we draft.
I also like the fact he is 33-34....we signed him for 2 years, and can do it for another 2-3 after this if we want.
At this point Stanton knows he is a back-up QB........a pretty good gig
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I doubt you watched him because he sure as hell didn't "take them to the playoffs." oh, did nathan peterman?
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stop what? was TT not the starting QB? did he not lead his team to the playoffs? every other QB gets credit when their teams make the postseason. facts over feelings.
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TT did have McCoy, who is the man....
Other than that, I agree with you. It sometimes feels like some people think that a QB has to drag his team kicking and screaming into a playoff spot to get any credit. TT isn't the next Tom Brady or anything like that... but I don't think he's the one that held his team back.
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I do not dislike Taylor, but he didn't "lead" them to the playoffs w/great play. The Bills have been wanting to ditch him for a long time. Baltimore didn't want him anymore. He was something like a 6th round pick. He had most of NW NY screaming for his head.
The same guys who are pimping him now will be calling for his head early on. Just like every other year.
I actually feel sorry for the guy because people who don't watch other football teams are making him into something he is not and are going to freak out when they see who he is.
I think he is an upgrade. He is a tough guy. But no one in the NFL holds it longer than he does. He doesn't lead his team to many points. And he isn't going to "light it up" like some are suggesting nor is he going to keep the rook on the bench for too long.
You just watch how long it will take for guys like Swish to be screaming for the rookie next year, just like they did w/Kizer last year and Kessler the year before.
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You just watch how long it will take for guys like Swish to be screaming for the rookie next year, just like they did w/Kizer last year and Kessler the year before. In all fairness, no one called for Kessler. He was thrown into the situation because we had nothing else. McCown and RG3 were hurt. I think our backup was Charlie Whitehurst
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every other QB gets credit when their teams make the postseason.
facts over feelings. Not many folks say that Blake Bortles led/took the Jags to the playoffs.
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But it doesn’t change the fact that he did.
And I’m not a bortles fan.
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stop what? was TT not the starting QB? did he not lead his team to the playoffs? No, the HC did. Just like ours led us to a 1-31 record. 
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In all fairness, no one called for Kessler.
Swish did.
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But it doesn’t change the fact that he did.
And I’m not a bortles fan. I'd prefer to say that they are starting QBs of Playoff Teams. Tyrod's better than anything we've had in awhile. That excites me. But I agree with Vers in that we can't have expectations of a guy that he isn't. Not as fans. Better to be surprised than overreact negatively
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Oh I’m Fully aware he’s a bridge with no realistic future in this team.
But ppl talk as if he’s a bum. He’s still a playoff QB. He still has more success than any of the “look the part” QBs we ever had on this team. That’s also true taking a look at half the starters around the league.
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No one said he was a bum. You're just making things up now.
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He played well Enough to get his team to the playoffs. You’re saying temper expectations, but I expect him to play well enough to have us in the hunt.
He had his team in the hunt all 3 years as a starter.
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I think we just signed Stanton to be a mentor for the new guy we draft. I don't think the intent is for him to ever see the field. We also could have signed him for his sweet dance moves. https://i.imgur.com/JxLbXrc.gifv
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I do not dislike Taylor, but he didn't "lead" them to the playoffs w/great play. The Bills have been wanting to ditch him for a long time. Baltimore didn't want him anymore. He was something like a 6th round pick. He had most of NW NY screaming for his head.
The same guys who are pimping him now will be calling for his head early on. Just like every other year.
I actually feel sorry for the guy because people who don't watch other football teams are making him into something he is not and are going to freak out when they see who he is.
I think he is an upgrade. He is a tough guy. But no one in the NFL holds it longer than he does. He doesn't lead his team to many points. And he isn't going to "light it up" like some are suggesting nor is he going to keep the rook on the bench for too long.
You just watch how long it will take for guys like Swish to be screaming for the rookie next year, just like they did w/Kizer last year and Kessler the year before. Depends on what you call great play man. I think great play can be not turning the ball over. Taking what the other team gives you and not being an idiot with the ball. Worked pretty good for Nick Foles last year. He made the plays he had to, didn't throw the stupid interception and won a SB. Taylor In his career he's thrown 51 touchdowns and 18 interceptions. You put the right pieces around him, you can win some games.
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Eh. He's just looking to argue and complain.
Tyrod has a much better supporting cast here than he did in Buffalo. Given we draft a QB #1, I don't expect Tyrod to be here longer than a year unless he plays lights out giving us an opportunity to to trade whichever QB we drafted #1. And even then I'm not sure...
#1 drafted QBs most likely play their first year and have never sat for more than a year. So it's not unreasonable to think we'll have people clamoring for the rookie. In fact, I'm sure we're going to have that with whatever QB we draft @1. It would happen anywhere not just here. We can call Tyrod the starter all day long but if he doesn't produce, well.....
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This is a good theory, but doesn’t explain trying to go and get Alex Smith. I think they do view Tyrod as this seasons starter, for the whole season, after that who knows, but see him as the starter for all of this season, not sure if that’s what you meant. I also think they believe Tyrod can be a guy that helps them win games, or maybe a better way of looking at it, a guy who won’t lose them any games. I think Dorsey and crew believe This team can get to the playoffs with Tyrod at QB, and only would make a QB change after injury or being eliminated from contention.
As for Tyrod in general, in response to the board in general, he’s not a guy who’s gonna give you huge numbers and carry a team, but his forte is being a QB who won’t lose a game for you. With a good running game and defense he could be a winning QB.
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This is a good theory, but doesn’t explain trying to go and get Alex Smith. I think they do view Tyrod as this seasons starter, for the whole season, after that who knows, but see him as the starter for all of this season, not sure if that’s what you meant. I also think they believe Tyrod can be a guy that helps them win games, or maybe a better way of looking at it, a guy who won’t lose them any games. I think Dorsey and crew believe This team can get to the playoffs with Tyrod at QB, and only would make a QB change after injury or being eliminated from contention.
As for Tyrod in general, in response to the board in general, he’s not a guy who’s gonna give you huge numbers and carry a team, but his forte is being a QB who won’t lose a game for you. With a good running game and defense he could be a winning QB. Couldn’t have said it better myself .. so i wont even try ... 
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Maybe I missed some posts, but I didn't get the feeling that posters expect him to "light it up". Some were talking about not taking a QB at #1, but that was just post-trade silliness that died out early.
I think people are happy he's here, but it seems to me that there are only a very few people that think he's more than a bridge QB. I think pairing him with Duke and Landry is intriguing, but that is hardly going to set the NFL on fire. Our running game will still be very important, as the Buffalo offense ran more through McCoy than it did Taylor.
Taylor is a super tough/durable, conservative QB that will protect the ball and make the easy throws along with a little scrambling to help move the chains. I'm glad he's here, as he has an important role to play (bridge until the rook is ready, and steady vet to help develop the other offensive youngsters).
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BREAKING NEWS ..  ... Cody Kessler - QB - Browns NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Browns are expected to shop 2016 third-round QB Cody Kessler. This was the expected outcome after the Browns traded for Tyrod Taylor, signed Drew Stanton, and are expected to draft a quarterback No. 1 overall. Perhaps Cleveland can turn Kessler into a late-round, conditional pick. Kessler completed 65.6 percent of his throws with a 6-to-2 TD-to-INT ratio in eight starts as a rookie. Source: Ian Rapoport on TwitterMar 27 - 11:44 AM
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Basically what I refer to as another Browns fire sale. We used a 3rd on him and we'll be lucky to get a 6th for him. I don't even want to think how many 1st and 2nd rounders we picked that we had to release or got a 4 to a 6th round pick for in a trade. Disheartening.
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Maybe I missed some posts You did. I made my points and they were challenged. I don't feel like arguing about it.
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BREAKING NEWS .. ... Cody Kessler - QB - Browns NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Browns are expected to shop 2016 third-round QB Cody Kessler. This was the expected outcome after the Browns traded for Tyrod Taylor, signed Drew Stanton, and are expected to draft a quarterback No. 1 overall. Perhaps Cleveland can turn Kessler into a late-round, conditional pick. Kessler completed 65.6 percent of his throws with a 6-to-2 TD-to-INT ratio in eight starts as a rookie. Source: Ian Rapoport on TwitterMar 27 - 11:44 AM If JD got a 7th round pick for Cody, I'd applaud him.
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If JD got a 7th round pick for Cody, I'd applaud him.
I think the allure of Cody is that he's still under his rookie contract, so yes, there could be a taker for a draft pick.
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But it doesn’t change the fact that he did.
And I’m not a bortles fan. Tyrod Taylor and Blake Bortles were on teams that made the playoffs just like Tom Brady and Drew Brees were on teams that made the playoffs. Their play contributed to their teams' success to varying degrees. Tyrod Taylor is a good QB compared to most of the other QBs in the league. Teams can win with him starting if many other things go right. Drew Stanton is very bad and if he plays we will not win many games.
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I think semantics are the real issue here. Some QB's lead their teams to wins. Some QB's help their team to wins. So to me your "varying degrees" covers it pretty well.
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I'd imagine any team wanting Kessler would wait till he's cut.
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I don't know anything about Drew Stanton so I don't intend to say anything about him one way or another except we know that Cody and Hogan had a chance and they blew it. They blew it BAD. I just hope we draft a good QB. Some might get shocked though if we don't draft one at one but they might really feel that Tyrod is the answer at QB. I mean I don't but they might by the way Dorsey sounded in his interview.
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