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So I watched Roseann last night. I grew up watching this show as my mom was always a HUGE fan of it. I made sure to watch mostly for the nostalgia of it. While watching it, it brought back memories, and I laughed out load multiple times. The show placed some political points, but they did it I felt, rather tastefully and extremely funny. It really characterized BOTH sides and showed how both can be over the top crazy, but it highlighted how ridiculous it is.

I was actually impressed with it, as I thought it was just going to be a money grab and fall flat.

Then the Critics and uber elites today I see are trying to rip it apart.

Ok, and? This was one of the most successful shows in TV at one time. Why wouldn't you want to keep it the way it was originally?Ohhh that's right, cause showing a family of lower/middle America doesn't fit your agenda. All are good shows, based on different characters and surroundings. I don't think Rosanne Conner should be trying to be like Black-ish.

why do TV shows need to be more than just pure fun entertainment? oh, because it doesn't indoctrinate people.

CNN obviously is not happy a pro trump voice is on Tv



Seems like the are made that a TV show is offering more than just the likes of what they think American is, and not what a lot of America really is.

The NYT, CNN, and all the rest are doing their due diligence to try to make the show into something THEY want, not want America watched and wanted for years ago.

This is why people get fed up with the media and elites.

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Haven't watched it yet. They did a few late night appearances promoting this and spelled out the political divide. I know she is pro trump but I want to watch it.

The show wanted to focus on the divides in families caused by 2016.

We watched it as well and loved it. The formula didn't change and I think that's how the fans of the show would want it. I always watched the show growing up and my wife was an uber fan that rewatched the entire series during her last pregnancy. We are extremely happy to have it back and it didn't skip a beat.

We loved that they have both Becky's back!

We loved that all the original characters have come back, except Mark, who died in real life, and they mentioned his character's death as well.

We love the character evolution.

They all have aged so well!

I don't think you'll be upset about Roseanne being pro-Trump. I was worried about this as well, but there's plenty of the other side too.

It wasn't going to upset me at all anyway. It's a TV show. I still like Tim Allen too.

It really was done it good taste. They landed jabs at both sides, and it was actually hilarious. You will enjoy it. They made it so both sides would laugh at the other. I found myself laughing at both.

I thought DJ looked the worst lol. He looked 50

why would you be "worried" about someone's political beliefs? Im curious, in the day and age when most TV shows are left leaning - are you afraid that a right leaning voice may have a say to an alternative? Do you like not letting others voice an opinion? Cause that's what I am getting at. If you have great ideas and are right in your thinking, you shouldn't "be worried" about what the other side as to say. Sounds like your scared they might offer something you cant.

Roseanne is a mentally unstable millionaire. Not shocking if she’s a trump supporter. Either way she’s funny. So I’ll watch. It’s on my DVR I just haven’t gotten to it yet.

Nope, I was worried that politics would ruin one of my favorite shows. Because if the show was all about how great Trump was, why would I want to watch it? I like my fiction to be funny, not nightmarish.

Give it up man. Don't turn this thread into your political mouth vomit.

Anyway, they did a good job with the political humor and had fun with it.

We kind of said the same thing ourselves, but applied it to their characters. When you boil down who Dan and Roseanne Connor are, you can see why they'd vote Trump. They're Trump's demographic. And I still enjoyed the show. I loved the reboot in fact. Can't wait for the next episode.

Watched it once back in the day,,, didn't care for it,, or maybe it's just Barr that I didn't care for.. anyway, it wasn't and isn't on my radar now..

Glad you enjoyed it.

Hey Portland is it true that people in San Francisco are moving to Portland because Frisco is too conservative?

Nothing I’ve heard. Wealthy Californians that can telecommute or work from home in other ways have been moving here for years because housing costs are cheaper. This has driven our housing costs up. What it hasn’t changed is Portland’s liberal leanings.
For those that may not know Oregon is a red state with two blue dots. Those dots, Portland and Eugene, happen to hold the majority of the population. The majority of the state, east of the Cascade Mountains, is predominately wealthy ranchers/land owners, or wealthy second home owners. Like in the mountain town/city of Bend. Typically libertarian or conservative leaning people. Then in the southwestern area of the state it’s a mix of wealthy conservative retirees, ‘Appalachia-like’ small town conservatives, with a blend of old liberal hippies and pot growers.
Much of the state, by landmass, hates Portland’s power over the state.
I, on the other hand, love Portland for its liberalism. It’s a small part of what drew me here from Ohio.

I know this was addressed to Portland, but as I live here too I will chime in. I haven't seen that reason for why Californians are moving in droves to Portland. It is very expensive in SF and they can buy a decent size house and lot in Portland for what they can get in SF. That said, the sheer number of people moving up here (not just Cali but also the midwest, east coast and TX) is driving the rent and housing market bonkers in Portland. What used to be a very affordable city, isn't anymore. It is still the cheapest of the six big west coast cities, but....it has changed a lot in the 11 years I have lived here (grown considerably, cranes all over the skyline, more traffic, much more expensive etc.).

Regarding politics in Oregon...'Portlandia' may have painted the city as a quirky liberal safe haven, but they just focus on inner Portland and its hipsters. Drive to east Portland and that population is completely ignored by the media both here in town and outside of the state (it is much more diverse, lower income, less likely to vote but if they do they probably arn't the raving socialists that many view the city to be nor are they weird hipsters portrayed in that tv show). Also, outside of Portland and Eugene (maybe Ashland too) Oregon is a traditional red state. We go blue simply because of the population in Portland and Eugene. Drive an hour or two south/east or west from Portland and you are in deep red country (blue collar, relatively poor in many areas, bible, guns and conservative values and votes). Same with Washington state once you leave Seattle/Tacoma and maybe Olympia.

When I lived in the UK the same can be said for London. Many, especially in the north of England, hate that London gets so much attention and yields so much power. Politics and values in London are different than those in the north. Yet decisions and politics are often driven and decided down south.

Back to the subject on hand...I didn't like 'Roseanne' the first time around. I always found her irritatingly obnoxious, over the top and excessively loud. But hey, to each their own. If it works for you....enjoy.

Aren't you the same people that blasted The Dixie Chicks because they said something about Bush? Yeah, I thought so. lol

I don't care who she supports. I liked the show and thought it was funny.

But if I support the party that ran the Dixie Chicks out of country music because of their politics, I think I'd shut the hell up right about now.

I too will chime in - I live in PDX (since 2000) and my company is based in Palo Alto (not SF, but certainly Bay Area). I am not aware of anyone moving here from the Bay Area becuase it is too conservative. As well, I have coworkers there that are liberal and they've never complained about it being too conservative there. Ultimately, there may be a few, but I think it is the cost of the Bay Area that is driving people up here. It is $800-1000+ per sq ft there, $300-600+ here.

Americans in general are trapped in various forms of group-think that result in shaming, derision, ostracization, and even violence if you disagree or don't conform. Just pick your social/political package. Sadly, most people don't even realize they've been brainwashed into "popular" thinking.

Enter the reason for an electoral college.

She absolutely is. John Goodman is what I always enjoyed while watching mostly. I find him to be one of the best all around actors out there, very unappreciated actor.

Roseanne herself was never my cup of tea for the reasons you mention, but she does get a good liner a couple times each episode.

All the reason against it actually. Just because you win the square footage battle doesn’t mean you should rule over the the actual majority. It’s absurd.

But, the electoral college isn't a square footage issue.

I think you mean the House of Representatives in this case. Portland doesn't have an electoral college for their Governor.

NYT gave it an 8/10. What more do you want?

Especially in a state like Oregon's case. There are approx 4.1 million people in the entire state. 2.3 million in the Portland metro area alone. Eugene isn't far off the 2nd largest city in the state (Salem is only just larger). Then throw in Ashland and maybe Bend (the city of Bend is prob blue, but the area around it is red) and that is over half the state's population.

I enjoyed both episodes, and steadfastly refuse to read any punditry about it. My exposure will be limited to the quotes I found in your post.

That said, it was like no time had passed. The characters were perhaps a bit more fleshed-out/updated, but the same vibe/flow/chemistry was there. Even the writing felt familiar (although I'm not sure the sames ones came back).

20 years ago, I found the show to be refreshingly candid surprisingly funny and personable. I find the new version to be the same.

If this thread continues down a political path in terms of how it's received/perceived, I'll not be participating. There are some things I wish to simply enjoy for the sake of enjoyment. This show would be one of those. If I find fun observations from which to riff, I'm along for that ride.


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Absolutely one of the few t.v. shows I've watched in years, and only watched it because my wife and daughter had it on. (I pretty much don't watch tv).

I found it funny. I don't give a rip about politics on tv. No tv personality has changed my mind, politically. No sports star, no musician, etc.

Sad thing is, it seems anymore, EVERYTHING has to be politics. Hell, even if I post about my daughter, somehow politics gets involved through pm's. Seems some jackwads can't get politics out of their heads no matter what the topic is.

So far no one has even mentioned the "T" word.

Pretty amazing for this place.

"T-word?"

ummmm.... I don't follow-

Me neither, but I did notice that more of George Carlins 'Words You Can't Say on TV' are getting by.

One of which corresponded with Laurie Metcalf's 'hat'.

Pretty sure he's talking about the kid cross dressing. If not that then I'm lost too.

Seriously?
Trans = "T-word??"

No wonder our discussions live where/how they do.

He'll come along and deny it I'm sure. He didn't just see a kid, he saw a boy in girls clothes and fixated on it. lol, smh

Probably went right over his head that it's in the show to foster acceptance.

This is a show designed to make you LAUGH. Anybody trying to read more into it than that should seek some help removing that really large stick from their backside.

She ran as a socialist candidate in the 2012 election....who cares if she likes trump now.....you can’t hide from your past

Poor sensitive snowflakes.

The "T" word... TRUMP!

No one had mentioned him in this thread until now.

Wow.

Why would you call that the "T" word? Knew you would deny it... lol

Sorry 40, I considered that might have been what you meant but couldn't understand why you would call it the "T" word like it was dirty. So I figured you were talking about the kid.

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The untalented bar band the Dixie Chicks ran their own arses out of town with their political smug remarks in other countries