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So why does the rest of the globe want to come here?

We Americans fought and clawed for our Freedom from England.

Truth, although sometimes I think it would've been better wind up like Canada did

We fought and clawed against the French and Indians.

Truth. Can't blame the Indians though for wanting their land back.

Then we had to fight and claw against the Brits again in 1812.

True again... man we do a lot of fighting.

We fought and clawed our way across this vast continent.

Truth, we had to kill a lot of indigenous people to claim our continent!

Then we fought and clawed each other over States Rights vs a Federal government system.

So you're one of those people who really think that war was about states rights? Ok, the state's right to own people maybe. Not the best example of fighting and clawing.

It is in our DNA to fight and claw.

Not necessarily a good thing to always be the aggressor.

This makes our people different from those in Europe!
Comparing the two is foolish.

Do you really think Europe hasn't been fighting and clawing their way through their own crap? Because they have! For over 1000 years LONGER THAN AMERICA!

You're stuck on that tide pods thing like a crack addict! How about a solution instead of "I'm going to post stuff until something works because I'm scared of losing my guns"...

Parenting like what, your parents? How did that work out?

From what I've seen of these Parkland kids I'd be damn proud to be one of their parents, DAMN PROUD!

We would be wise to look to them for our lead.

Yeah go ahead and delete my posts when you don't like the truth. Whatever refs.

People who don't want people to own guns are flat out wishing to become corporate slaves in the future. Corps own our politicians and the next step to controlling the people is disarming them. Once you can't defend yourselves and the corps use their enormous money to completely and blatantly buy off all the politicians and pass only the laws that benefit lawyers and big business monopolies you can kiss your constitutional rights goodbye.

They will legalize drugs to keep you dull witted and happy with misery. They will legalize prostitution and every act of sodomy to destroy the family unit and morality. You will become like lambs to the slaughter who can't find their own way and just get pushed into the slaughter trenches.

But by all means feel SAFE when just the criminals have guns. Then not only will school still be unsafe but you won't even have the ability to defend your home and family even if you wanted to.

Prostitution is legal in Europe yet their family units seem to be stronger than ours.

Netherlands legalized weed years ago, and they are going strong and one of the happiest places in the world.

I dunno why the refs deleted your post, but I do know the evidence around the world certainly doesn’t support your opinion.

that's why the world has always looked to us, and that's why EU has tried to mimic OUR values and our way of life. Dude, move. plain and simple, you obviously hate the country and our values - move to cuba where you love being told what you can and cannot do, since you cant obviously have a free thought for yourself.

J\C
I guess putting thousands of illegal guns on the street by fast FAST AND FURIOUS gets a pass by the haters and the press .... wtf did the NRA have to do with that

And you know what, I still love living here. It's my opinion that the US is still very young in age and I have hope that one day things will change and we'll do things better. Not in my lifetime, but maybe someday we'll get it right.

J\C
I guess putting thousands of illegal guns on the street by fast FAST AND FURIOUS gets a pass by the haters and the press .... wtf did the NRA have to do with that

Can you cite this truth you speak of? Studies have been done researching the effects of more guns, less crime, and it seems to be far from established truth. I found one study recently that tracked crime rates between RTC states and non, and it doesn't seem to line up:

Stanford Study - RTC states have violent crime increases of up to 15%

Also, one of the largest studies of it's kind noted strong links between how guns are accessed and saving lives. https://academic.oup.com/epirev/article/38/1/140/2754868

I found it a fascinating read, maybe you could spend some time and read it as well? My takeaway from it was that the observation was that increased gun control (even in minor ways) mapped to reductions in crime. They also agree with you that proof is hard to find!



Proof is not required to establish consensus, especially in studies where it would be unethical to try to establish proof.

A good example is the vaccine debate. There are people who are against vaccinating children, and have argued for doing double blind studies on children given vaccines and other children given placebos, then evaluate the autism levels after a certain point. As you can imagine, this is not feasible because it would be unethical to expose children unwittingly to dangerous diseases when a cure is readily available. Can we prove that vaccines don't increase autism rates? Not without the double blind study. So we'll just have to do our best with what is available in the research field.

The same goes with guns. You can't do a study where you send in shooters into schools with armed guards, and schools without armed guards, to prove which is more effective. It's unethical. So you demanding proof that gun control works will never actually happen because it would be unethical to perform said study. But then again, there are untold numbers of things in life we can't prove, but accept as likely the best for us.

The research community has a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn't given long runs of empirical data. This also applies to gun control studies. I consider myself a smart guy but also smart enough to know that I don't know everything. I will read research papers and do my own analysis but in the case of a draw, I give favor to the researcher. They do it for a living.

So why does the rest of the globe want to come here?

So why does the rest of the globe want to come here?

Prostitution is legal in Europe yet their family units seem to be stronger than ours.

Netherlands legalized weed years ago, and they are going strong and one of the happiest places in the world.

I dunno why the refs deleted your post, but I do know the evidence around the world certainly doesn’t support your opinion.

Here’s who actually attended the March for Our Lives. (No, it wasn’t mostly young people.)

Contrary to what’s been reported in many media accounts, the D.C. March for Our Lives crowd was not primarily made up of teenagers.
Only about 10 percent of the participants were under 18. The average age of the adults in the crowd was just under 49 years old,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monk...m=.fefe07d2eb85

Actually their divorce rates are higher than ours but don't worry we are catching up fast. Their amount of single parents are skyrocketing which is just horrible for their future. And sure Amsterdam is great if your a fan of children being used as prostitutes because that just bring lots of joy and stoned otherwise. Then again they can't figure out why suicide rates in the so called happiest places on earth are so high either.

When you live for the sins of the flesh it always ends up consuming you. Then again animals don't plan for the future they just live in the moment. If it feels good that is all that matters right? To hell with the consequences that come afterwards like kids growing up in broken homes.

Well, think about this, how many adults were there supporting their kids that were there?

Apparently 9 to every child.
How many were with you?

lol Math....

1 + 1 = 2 as an old buddy used to say. thumbsup

or apparently 1+1=9

1 + 1 = 2 as an old buddy used to say.

Well, think about this, how many adults were there supporting their kids that were there?

It has been shown time and again that the number of guns in America over the last 4 decades have increase while at the same time the FBI is showing a decrease in violent crimes over that same period.

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/915078577237848064

https://drgo.us/an-editorial-critique-of...ecologic-study/

Apparently 9 to every child.
How many were with you?

Ahhhh......but I never said more guns was the result of less crime....I was just showing that crime rates have dropped significantly despite a continued increase in the number of guns in the public’s hands.....people can draw what they get conclusion they want from that.

And the making cars safer analogy......despite all the safety improvements death by car ACCIDENT still exceeds all deaths by guns.....now we really must take out the suicide deaths by gun because the utopia known as Australia showed that while banning gun ownership caused suicide by gun to drop, all other suicide by other means rose resulting in no significant change in the suicide rate.....so the +20k tgat die by suicide by gun will still commit suicide by the Australian standard anyway and should be factored out of the gun debate (tgat is not minI mixing the suicide debate, it is a huge problem that is not adequately being addressed, but tying it to guns does neither debate any justice). Then factor out criminals killing criminals...who effin cares that they are selectively removing themselves from the gene pool. That leave true innocent victim homicide and accidental death which from fbi crime stats are very low. In fact from the CDC (wisqars)...from 1981 to present the US has seen a drop in accidental gun deaths from a high of about 1900 a year to about 500 in 2013 with a steady downward trend....so we want to create laws and regulations to decrease gun accidents which are all ready miniscule and falling? Seems like the product is safe on its own based on the fact that safe car accidents kill 33,000 a year in the US while unsafe gun accidents kill 500. And let’s not forget that there are only about 270 million vehicles in the US while the number of guns present is between 300 and 400 million.

Emotion clouds thus debate.....it is why “now is not the time” is repeated immediately after a shooting....it leads to ill-conceived knee jerk laws.