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The act of carrying a gun is use. Use cant be defined as just the instant the trigger is pulled. But I won’t change your mind just like you won’t change my mind. Coming to the conclusion that visiting this board (at least this portion of dawgtalkers) is an effort in futility. Ciao!

You ain't talking Mexican again are ya?

Common sense dictates that a Conservative March made up of 90 percent Liberals is not a Conservative March.

A children's march made up of 90 percent adults is not a children's march.

But please continue to drink from the koolaid well served up by your twisted Media.

It was actually a march about a cause. The cause was taking steps to stop mass shootings in our nations school. I don't think that strictly applies to something children care about.

Now I don't agree with a lot of what they said. I don't agree with the steps they wish to take. But to sit here and pretend that only students care about that or should be the ones to support it is just another silly idea to try to take away from their message.

Exactly! I tried to point that out to them, but they chose to ignore it. They're just trying to divert attention away from the cause. The same way Trump will go on a twitter rampage to try and distract us all from the latest stupid crap he's trying to pull.

I am glad to see we are now all on the same page with this march not being a children's march.

It is still up in the air as to what this march was truly about since it was hijacked from the children.

I have mostly heard anti Second Amendment crap and very little about protecting the children while in school.

I do chuckle to myself as I have heard they had armed security at the events.

Most that I've seen will only accept banning semi auto weapons, raise the age to buy a gun, limit clip capacities (but none have a clue to what limit) and make it harder for honest law abiding people to buy a gun. ( because they know criminals can get guns illegally.)

They preach are your guns more important than children's lives?

But when an idea of students having to use clear backpacks was not acceptable it infringed on their rights. Well is not using clear backpacks worth a students life?

They were told that states are required to give medical (Mental) information to the FBI to be entered into thee data base so when checks are made those people who should have been flagged not to be able to buy a guy are not flagged ~ 7,000,000 people would not be able to have guns if states reported the information.

But they don't want armed security at schools.

No armed elementary school teachers though? Right I thought not.

You and all the others like you would miss the point of the protest. You care more about your guns than you do children. We get it.

Well citizens of any kind were not permitted to have fire arms at the march.

Are you willing to give up your car and cell phone to save children's lives?

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Yes, I'm all for banning guns, but in the meantime, I want Police Officers protecting my children at school. It's not foolproof, but it does help. I don't want armed teachers. I think that idea is so so stupid. It's ridiculous and it takes an idiot to think that one up to begin with. I wonder if Davos thought of that? Hmm.

In my town, we have a Police Resource Officer who patrols the schools. He's not a security guard with a gun, he's not an armed teacher, and he's not some CCW "Trained" John Wayne. He's a real Police Officer. And I have no issue with that. Does that mean he'll keep my kids as safe as having no guns would? Absolutely not. But right now I don't get to have it my way, so I'll compromise and allow a Police Officer to protect my kids. I sure hope he's up to the task if something ever were to happen. I doubt he's ever fired his weapon in the line of duty, being a small town, but I have to hope.

So please don't think foolish things like we don't want security for our children. Because when that's the best we can currently do, we'll do it. But we want it to be from trained Police, not hired arms, or school teachers.

And when I say "We", I suppose I should say "I". Because I can't speak for the everyone else. Like I said, I want guns banned. But that's not currently an option. So I'll rely on my Police Officers.

Cool, I don't want citizens carrying fire arms.

I don't have my mind made up though tee. I am conflicted. I own guns, including the reviled AR-15. I also have a 3 year old son, with twins on the way (31 weeks along today!). I just think it's incredibly important that we have a frank, honest conversation about what sort of country we want to reside in, not just for us but for our children and neighbors. And it's unfortunate that some people have their mind made up on what is right and are instead intent on trying to prove they are right. I'm not trying to run people off, I'm merely stating my opinion. I just hope we can have dialog and not just try to prove "our side" is right.

Never mind .. i read further and found out your views ...

Carry on ...

That's a pretty terrible comparison.

I need my car to get to work, and transport my kids. I don't need to have a gun period. Also, you're required to register a car, and have a license to drive it. You're also required to have insurance. Very poor comparison here. You really messed that one up.

Cell phone? How is a cell phone deadly? Bad comparison here too. I use my cell phone for communication with my family, and even my kids. It's become necessary in our society for communication and in the work place. And guess what, yep that's right, guns aren't necessary in our society. They're not used for communication, and aren't needed in the workplace. And I certainly wouldn't let my kids use them. So I'm not sure which comparison is worse that you're trying to make.

However... if for some miraculous turn of events, me giving up my car and my cell phone would mean that my kids didn't get shot at school, YES I'd give them up for my kids. I'd take the bus to work and I'd use a land line from now on.

What a ridiculous post you've made. Easily torn apart. Your argument is invalid.

The police were at Parkman and did nothing?

When seconds count the police are minutes away.

Clear backpacks would not have stopped the Parkland shooter (or Sandy Hook if I remember). Raising the age limit to buy a gun would have helped stop the Parkland shooter, although I would contend that mental wellness checks to obtain a permit to buy a firearm is a more pertinent solution than arbitrary age limits.

More children killed by cars and texting while driving than school shootings, so your car and cell phone are more important to you than kids lives.

If my guns killed any child I would give them up.

straw man

You assume correctly. And I'll assume you're not calling me an ass.

I'm against arming school teachers because I know plenty of school teachers. I want them to teach my kids, not be armed security for my kids. My mother in law was a school teacher for 40 years. I can't imagine it ever being a good idea to see her pick up a gun and try to shoot an attacker. She'd probably hit someone innocent. And I believe that of any CCW "Trained individual". Sure, they took a one day course and now they're "Trained"? My butt. It takes a lot of training to handle an active shooter, and even Police Officers freeze in the moment. And you want a teacher to do it? Nah. There's a better way.

I know 5 teachers, one retired, and none of them support the arming of teachers. They all think the idea is ludicrous. Yes, they'd all die protecting their children, but they know there's a better way to protect them than putting a gun in a teacher's hand. Teachers teach! Not kill.

Had the police and FBI did there jobs he would not have been able to buy it.

And even after he bought it the red flags should have given reason for police to arrest and take his guns but they didn't.

Exactly. The Police Officer froze, or was waiting for backup. Either way it didn't work. What makes you think a one-day trained teacher is going to react any better?

And also, to the point of arming teachers, is it not also a risk to them when the Police do show up and see armed teachers? Could they then be considered the active shooter? How is a Police Officer going to know the difference. I see innocent people being killed, including the kids.

Yes, I agree, that's why passive checks for licensing of a firearm to me is a poor substitute for active checks for licensing. Want to buy a gun? Go to the proper authority (sheriff, ATF, etc), and submit to a wellness check (and perhaps a safety course certification) before you can buy said gun. This should also apply to any ammo purchases. This way we aren't relying on a network that has to monitor hundreds of millions of Americans and hope it goes right every single time. It would also help against people who have no record to monitor against. I would have no problem submitting to a safety course and wellness check to own/operate my firearms.

But yet texting while driving is illegal.

So therefore owning guns should be illegal since they both kill children.

Thanks for making my point.

That would certainly be a step in the right direction and I would support this.

Would conservatives?

But owning cell phones are not illegal but shooting someone is illegal.


Thanks for making my point.

Not calling u an ASS .... i always type ASS cause ASSuming is NEVER a good thing to do ... well, not ever ... but u get my drift ..

So your against them cause of your ma and 5 other teachers u know that think its a dumb idea ...

What about my bud that is a teacher in NY and has been handling guns since he was a kid .. he has a CC permit and has taken multiple training courses not just an hour long one ....

Would u be OK with him carrying IF HE WANTED TO? ...

What about the program their running in one of the Ohio counties ... PD is conducting the training .. i have no clue how long it is .. they said when it started that they were opening up 50 or 100 spots .... within an hour they had over 250 respondents .. ended up with well over 500 after they kept opening more and more up ...

U don’t like that idea IF THE TEACHERS WANT TO and their trained by cops? .. and if its only an hour ... i’m With u .. NO WAY ...

Is their any room for discussion here or is it just a closed case ....

NO ARMED TEACHERS REGARDLESS ...

Cause if your minds made up ... no reason for either of us to say another word on this topic ...

I'd also like to say to you Vambo that I don't think your guns will ever kill children. By all accounts, I'm sure you're safe with your fire arms and a responsible gun owner.

But how do I pass regulations against the gun owners who aren't responsible? The ones who give their kids access to the guns without supervision or training?

How do I pass regulations against the mentally ill from obtaining guns? There were methods in place for this, albeit not foolproof, but Trump did away with that.

If you've got a better answer than banning guns altogether, I'm listening. But as I see it, I have to get rid of them all, and that does suck for the responsible ones.

So a cell phone is only deadly when texting behind the wheel. Yet a gun is deadly always. So no, your point is not valid.

Look, you make valid arguments and provide cases where I would feel better about it. Like your buddy sounds like knows how to handle a gun.

My problem with it all comes from all the people signing up to carry in schools and get the training. Chances are 90% of them aren't ever going to be trained well enough for this, even if trained by the PD. In my opinion, they all think they're John McClain and are going to save the freakin day. I've witnessed this attitude first hand in the work place. People talking about getting their CCW to protect my "Lib butt". And I just laugh and say, Ok Rambo.

So while I'd be tempted to say your buddy is trained enough for it, I'm still not ok with it. I don't want a gun in my kids classroom period.

You report gun owners who aren't responsible to the authorities and make sure they fellow up on it.

Write your congressman, Senator and Governor.

Well wasting time on trying to ban gun altogether isn't an answer, you could implement things like they use in airports and sporting events. They seem to be working there.

There is no 100% guarantee that anything will work evil people will always find a way to do evil.

Training teachers like they do police is one thing adding other things metal detectors or the clear backpacks help you have to start somewhere.

People have walked in front of moving traffic while texting, fallen in ponds in holes etc...

A gun is only deadly if you pull the trigger so you're wrong again.

He is not listening, only talking.

That's fine. In MY opinion, teachers, custodians, school personnel that sign up to be armed and trained would NOT be Rambo types. Far from it, actually. And, don't forget, the school could allow or disallow someone.

There are 2 schools near me that have 'armed' EMPLOYEES. There has never been a mention as to whether it was 1 person per building, or 50 people per building.


I can understand that. Keep in mind, I could and do see both sides to this issue.

But also keep in mind, IF there were a shooting and there were no armed personnel in the building, you have to call 911. Depending on the time of day, where cops are located at that time, etc - it could take 2-10 minutes for a cop to even show up.

I get the whole safety thing as well. NO ONE wants a misfire/accidental discharge. NO ONE. Here's a thought: An armed teacher/custodian/principal etc that is trained simply carries an empty pistol, with the magazine in a pocket.

The gun is totally unloaded. Dumb? No. Safe? Yes, ultimate safety, really.

If shots ring out in the school, that employee would need all of about 3 seconds to have the gun ready. Meanwhile, 911 hasn't even been dialed, let alone having a cop on scene. That would take several minutes. And then another 2-10 before the cops enter the building.

Mean time, teacher/custodian whoever, has tracked down where the shooting is coming from, gets a visual, and intercedes in SOME manner. If kids are running willy nilly around the shooter, you don't shoot. Period. You confront.

And as for you not wanting a gun in your kids classroom, I get it. But, would you ever know? How would you know?

Again, in the 2 schools around here that have armed employees, only the school board and the principals at each building know who, and how many. Not even other teachers know.

It may sound like I'm in favor of it. If it does, so be it. I still haven't decided though.

Ok .. no need to have a discussion ... your mind is obviously closed ... maybe next time ...

Carry on and enjoy ...

Hey bud, we had and involved math problem yesterday and needed ya!