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I hope this kid targets ALL Fox News Advertisers next since Fox announced she'd be back on air Monday.

Laura is a multi millionaire. I'm sure you can donate to her Patreon if you feel she needs the money.

Those in PR don't give a crap about any of that, they will ride with anybody, no matter how vile, if the chance of a good return on investment is there..... the only thing they fear is the angry mob getting ahold of it.. that's why companies have started bailing early. Better safe than sorry... The worst thing you can appear to be is a company that had to be coerced into fleeing somebody that social media has deemed toxic.

A real humanitarian effort.
Nobel material.

Shooting at YouTube Offices Wounds 3; Female Suspect Is Dead

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/03/technology/youtube-shooting-suspect-headquarters.html

Impossible, they banned gun videos - how could this have happened? Its a gun free zone.

Just wait till Google uses their world wide platform and starts calling out sponsors and politicians that support the NRA like these high school kids already are. No place to hide. The hamma is coming down in Nov.

Parkland student fills his clear backpack with tampons as new school security measure is in effect

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...vacy/481287002/

Why? Because a Liberal just shot their place up?

What a deplorable statement.

Parkland Students Return To School Skeptical Of Clear Backpacks

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/...clear-backpacks

Marjory Stoneman Douglas High students returned to school from spring break this week facing a number of new safety precautions. District officials in Parkland, Fla., say that the school is a prototype for potential countywide security changes, following a shooting on Feb. 14 that left 17 people dead.

Among the precautions are fewer entrances, with law enforcement posted at each point; identification badges that students and teachers are required to wear at all times; and clear, plastic backpacks the only bookbags allowed on campus.

School Principal Ty Thompson sent a memo to parents about the precautions over the weekend, according to The Associated Press, comparing the process with entering a sporting event, or Disney World.



Many Stoneman Douglas students took issue with the clear backpacks they're required to carry. The bags were donated to the school by Walmart and the Broward Education Foundation, the Sun-Sentinel newspaper reported.

Some students also complained about the smell of the plastic backpacks. Student Kyrah Simon tweeted that the backpacks were a waste of community resources:

Another student posted a photo of his pack full of tampons:

Sophomore Lauren Hogg asked on Twitter, "Is this what my high school experience is going to be like? 3 more years of this..."

An Instagram account was also created dedicated to students angry over the backpacks.

Many students from Stoneman Douglas have deftly harnessed social media to criticize and call for change in U.S. gun policy since the massacre, using it to organize the "March for Our Lives," where hundreds of thousands of people demonstrated in support of legislation restricting access to guns.

In Florida, Gov. Rick Scott signed legislation raising the minimum age of all gun purchasers to 21 and banning rapid-fire devices known as bump stocks. The reforms also included fresh funding for school security, including at least one school resource officer in all schools.

Sheri Kuperman, who has three children attending Stoneman Douglas High, tells the Sun-Sentinel she doesn't mind the new measures.



Metal detectors and metal detecting wands are not currently in place on campus, but their use is being considered.

Another parent, Julie Shinn, is less convinced and criticized the move as falling short. "If we're not going to do anything about our lax gun laws," she writes on Twitter, "then my son needs a bullet proof backpack, not a clear one."

Clear backpacks will do very well to stop shooters who show up to the school in an Uber!

Clear backpack are to keep someone from bringing a gun inside the school.

Can't get a gun inside thee school can't shoot up a school

1+1=2

I hope no future gun men hears about opaque bags...

did she expect to have gun laws changed and all bad guys with their guns confiscated before the kids got back from spring break?

Cool.. imagine if they had considered some of this after one of the other dozen major school shootings over the last 10 years... I wonder how many other schools right now are thinking, "It won't happen here" or "We can't afford to do those things"...

Are any of these measures even supposed to stop school shootings? What exactly does a clear back pack do besides busting teen drug dealers? What are metal detectors supposed to do when a school employee saw and reported the shooter before he got inside the school? What does any of this actually do? I think the US might be better if we built all schools into Panopticons and allow an overseer with a sniper rifle be the only protection needed.

If they can raise $3,000,000 for a march why can't they raise money to secure the schools?

We can do some good with our money... but if we spend our money to get a whole bunch of YOUR money, think of how much more we can do.

Fewer entrances and armed security at each entrance... really the only 2 things in there that would help. The rest it's just fun to watch them complain about it.

I'm glad you can add to two, since you fail at sarcasm. I would Google search a definition for you, but you'd probably think I got it from George Soros.

Because the security measures required to keep our kids safe would run into the billions (with a b). It would require your taxes to go up by 25% or more. Per year. You won't be able to sell it to the crowd who thinks the problem is that "kids just don't respect people anymore"

Students hold Second Amendment rally to counter walkout pushing for stricter gun laws

Students in Colorado who support the Second Amendment staged their own walkout Wednesday, in an effort to counter the pro-gun control rallies taking place across the nation following the deadly shooting at a Florida high school in February.

Students at Woodland Park High School, an hour north of Pike’s Peak, began the 30-minute pro-Second Amendment rally with a moment of silence for victims of past school shootings.

“I don’t believe that guns are the problem,” said student Haley Armstead. “I think it's more of the people and that people are trying to blame an inanimate object for something that's not them.”

Another student, Christian Garcia, told FOX 21 more armed officers and trained teachers would “stop” or “prevent” further school shootings.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/05/col...ment-rally.html

Julian Edelman might have prevented school shooting

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...school-shooting



Thanks to his quick actions, Julian Edelman might have helped prevent a threat made online from turning into a reality.

In an interview with The New York Times, the New England Patriots wide receiver spoke about how he and his personal assistant recently reached out to authorities after someone threatened to shoot up a school in a comment posted to Edelman's Instagram account. Edelman's actions eventually led to a teenager being detained in connection to the written threat.

Edelman told the newspaper that thoughts of the February school shooting in Parkland, Florida, spurred him to do something about the comment.

"With the emotions of what happened, and I have a kid now, I said, 'Holy Toledo, what is going on?'" Edelman said.

After an Instagram user notified Edelman of the comment, he informed his personal assistant, Shannen Moen, who sifted through the many comments on the social media platform before finding the message: "I'm going to shoot my school up watch the news."

Moen immediately notified police and authorities eventually traced the message's origin to a Michigan IP address. Police in Port Huron, Michigan, later detained a 14-year-old boy, who admitted to writing the threat. He was charged with making a false report of a threat of terrorism, a felony, according to The Times.

"Thankfully, this kid said something," Edelman said about the user who notified him about the comment. "We're going to send him something, a care package, just for his work. He's the real hero."

The kid that called is the real hero. Edelman did his civic duty.

Kudos to them both. Nice job.

I agree, and said as much in the Roseanne thread.

But there's not a great ROI in advertising with a 53-year old lunatic whose sole export is venom.

End of the day, I think a lot of this insane and unhinged anger towards Hogg is due to a growing impotence to a group that has for so long been able to move the needle and be a more dominant voice.

Agree or disagree, things are shifting in a lot of areas in swift ways that hadn't been anticipated. You see it quite often these days in town halls or forums where Marco Rubio or whoever ask a question they feel is rhetorical like 'do we want universal health care?' or 'do we want to ban assault weapons?', and are left stunned when the crowds cheer.

I think people assumed these kids would be hushed, and are angry that more and more people are agreeing with them.

I can't think of any other reason why so many people have fallen into vindictive, lunatic insanity over a 17-year old, to the point where they're taking glee in him getting rejected from colleges.

David Hogg Wants to Force President Trump to use a Clear Backpack Too (HE’S NOT JOKING)

https://silenceisconsent.net/david-hogg-...hes-not-joking/

David Hogg is really mad that students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School are having to return to school using clear backpacks as a security measure. And he wants to punish the President and Congress because of it.

Mind you, Hogg himself doesn’t have to worry about using one. He has stated before that he’s not going back to school until gun control legislation is passed. As far as we know, he hasn’t been back.

In the meantime, Hogg is mounting a campaign to make the President and Congress pay for failing to follow their demands. And that starts with circulating a petition to force the President, White House staff, and members of Congress to use clear backpacks as well.

Hogg appears to be under the delusion that the White House and Congress aren’t already abiding by strict security measures already. Clear backpacks would actually be a downgrade in security from what they endure now.

Earlier today, Hogg retweeted a link to the petition to promote it.




Let’s just indulge Mr. Hogg’s immaturity, however, and review the terms of the petition, which is posted at the left-wing website Petition.org Petition.org.

Can't wait until this kid gets a real job and tells the boss he refuses to work while the boss plays golf because it's not fair.


Paul Ryan has been in office since 2015, McConnell since 2015, Trump and Pence since January 2017.... so why didn't he list any of the 240 democrat congressmen who have been in office for more than 10 years, which means they were all there when the democrats controlled the house, the senate, AND the white house? And they did what exactly?

I agree that David Hogg is acting like a 17 year old with the backpacks. I don't agree with his methods but I agree in their lack of utility. Would Congress be safer if we got rid of guards and instead instituted clear briefcases? If we want to safeguard our children, easily defeatable methods won't work. Even if clear backpacks were a deterrent (I fail to see how they would have stopped parkland or Sandy Hook or Columbine for instance), once the deterrent is bypassed, you still have a number of soft targets ready to be mowed down. Calling clear backpacks a fix is like putting a band-aid on a broken ankle. Not only did we do nothing, but we erroneously feel that we did. And because of this, we may not enact actual safeguards.

Paul Ryan had been in Congress since 99. Using his speakership term to make him seem green is disingenuous. Same with McConnell, who has been a US senator since 85.

Claiming the 08-10 Congress is just as bad on guns as the 10-present congresses is tu quoque. You are ignoring how mass shootings entered the public's eye in force in the last 5 years or so, where the GOP led Congress has been woefully inactive on the problem of mass shootings.

Every student, every teacher, every school administrator, should be handed a loaded gun upon entering their school so they can protect themselves from the bad guys who want to kill them there.

Only a good student with a gun can stop a bad student with a gun.

Soros-Funded Groups Fueling Laura Ingraham Advertiser Boycott

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...rtiser-boycott/

NEW YORK — The George Soros-financed Media Matters for America progressive activist group has been helping to fuel an advertising boycott targeting Laura Ingraham’s Fox News show following Twitter comments the media star made about Parkland shooting survivor and antigun activist David Hogg.

hink Progress, the media project of the Soros-funded Center for American Progress, has also been using its platform to hype the boycott...


...Hogg immediately sprung to action, tweeting a list of Ingraham’s top 12 advertisers and promoting the hashtag #BoycottIngramAdverts.

Media Matters on Thursday jumped into the anti-Ingraham campaign, promoting a list of over 130 recent advertisers on the Fox News show.

Hogg himself retweeted the larger Media Matters list of Ingraham’s television advertisers.

On Twitter, Media Matters President Angelo Carusone highlighted two of Ingraham’s biggest advertisers, Liberty Mutual and Bayer:










Carusone further commented, “You can expect more advertisers to leave … Fox News is reckless propaganda machine. It’s bad for business.”



Media Matters is known for its opposition to conservative and independent media outlets. A Media Matters briefing book obtained by the Washington Free Beacon last year at a retreat for donors listed a core budget goal for 2017 of $13.4 million, which the booklet says would pay for a staff of 81, ostensibly to wage war on independent news media outlets like Breitbart News.

Media Matters, founded by Hillary Clinton ally David Brock, is financed in part by Soros. The billionaire provided a $1 million donation in 2010 “to hold Fox News accountable for the false and misleading information they so often broadcast.”

Brock once described Media Matters as aiming to wage an all-out campaign of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” against Fox News...

Guerrilla warfare and sabotage is all a defeated people and agenda can hope to do. We won.

Who's the snowflake now? lmao

U know Pit ... by reading this board you’d think none of us live in the same country ....

You would think that. I just find the irony how some who claim others are whiners are often the ones who whine the loudest.

But the school is reducing entry points and putting guards there.


Clear backpacks is just one of about 6 things they are doing.. I understand it is probably the least effective of all things, but nobody is saying clear backpacks are the answer.


So Virginia Tech, Columbine, none of that made it enter the public eye in force?

The Education Department estimates that 50 million children attend public school about 180 days per year... Since Columbine, about 200 have been shot to death while in school.. making the odds of a child being shot to death at school, about 614,000,000:1 on any given day... for reference, the odds of winning the Mega Millions is 259,000,000:1 on any given day... so odds say that if you buy your Mega Millions tickets regularly, before your child gets shot at school, you should win the Mega Millions.... twice.

I don't know what it is about us as human beings but our fears are irrational and, as Spock would say, illogical. I know plenty of people who are scared to death of flying, scared of sharks at the beach, scared to death of public speaking... yet many of these same people smoke, drive after a few drinks, drive too fast, are obese and eat crappy food, etc... So they have these fears of things with an infinitesimally small chance of doing them harm, yet they actively and willing participate in things with a MUCH greater chance of killing them, every single day.

As one article I read pointed out, people are less afraid of dying than they are afraid of the WAY they will die... and a lot of it has to do with control, if I die because I drive drunk well then I guess I only have myself to blame but if I die in a fiery plane crash, well that was out of my control and I can't accept that...

That is what we are seeing with our kids, we expose our kids to MUCH greater dangers all the time and we willingly take those risks because we feel like we control them... but when our kids are at school we have turned over that trust to somebody else and we hold them to a MUCH higher standard than we hold ourselves for protecting our own kids

SOROS is everywhere at the same time... is he God? lmao

Yea, my point with those comments is I do not understand how useful they are. If you want to scan for guns you need metal detectors and scanners. It will be very hard for a guard to pick out a gun visually, and it's easy to hide if someone wanted to.



I'd argue no. We had the news cycles on those incidents, but we did not have the multiple cycle coverage on those. We also did not have the frequency then that we do now:





Setting aside the false equivalence here, two things:

1: I'm not sure how you got those odds, as I'm trying to use your numbers to calculate favorable and unfavorable outcomes. If I do (50m*180)/200 I get 45,000,000:1, which is a far cry from your odds. That said, odds is something I'm still working on in my poker game so I am sure I'm screwing it up.
2: You are ignoring the risk of your child being shot at school non-fatally, or traumatized by a child being shot at a school, which would drive the odds of that happening significantly lower. It's important to include those factors in your risk assessment.



The biggest problem with using odds to determine whether or not to do something, compared to unrelated actions, is you're assumption that you've accounted for all dependent variables. There is also a secondary issue that you are essentially saying "the risk is low enough, so lets not try to fix the problem." It's gross to insinuate that we shouldn't change anything because not enough kids are being mowed down.

Society should strive to be the optimal version of itself, so I'm of the belief that we should be trying to reduce the number of kids mowed down by guns to zero. I am a pragmatist and understand this to be impossible, but we should nevertheless strive for it. If we just shrug our shoulders and say "nothing to be done for this" we are bailing out the problem. We are giving up.

We should be doing what we can to weed out malcontents who would do us harm with a firearm, while also ensuring that hunters can use guns, as well as homeowners for self defense. I think it's totally fair for a farmer who is 25 miles from the nearest cop to own a gun. I also think people should be able to own guns "just because they are cool." A good start to move down this path would be to force all gun owners to be adequately licensed and interviewed by local police, as well as submit to mental wellness evaluations. This should be refreshed every few years, not one and done like a drivers license.

Would it be a pain in the butt? Ya, probably. But I'd be willing to put up with it if it meant that we'd have fewer gun casualties AND I kept my AR-15.