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Oof, I dunno. That's a stretch.


I have Allen as my fourth QB. And he's set there. I can't see how we'd select him over the other three I like more than him, but let's not devalue him that much.

He's inconsistent, but there's a lot to like from him too. I'll be extremely frustrated if we draft him, but I'd take him over White in an instant. I see Allen in a group with Jackson and Rudolph. Allen and Jackson as solid first round prospects. Rudolph as an early second to first round prospect.

White is in another tier IMO

Not saying this is where I think they will go, but where I think they should go.

I have Rudolph as a late 1st round early 2nd round guy
I have White as a clear 2nd rounder - probably mid 2nd round
I have Josh Allen as a late 3rd/early 4th

Clearly I am not a Josh Allen fan
He has big hands and can throw a ball through a wall.
But there is nothing else I like about him.

lamar should go #1 overall

He's supposed to be very smart and he played in an NFL Offense.

Did Mike White get snaps under center?

That's one thing I like about Allen. He's played under center. Being able to snap the ball under center is a big advantage for our running game. I thought it was a big disadvantage last year when it seemed like any time Kizer took a snap under center, it seemed like we always ran the ball.

Supposedly Hyde does well running out of the shotgun though, which is a good thing.



I also read somewhere that White had a poor attitude. I think that was at the Combine or Senior Bowl. Like he irked some people.

I'd say, if I was picking in the late first to early second round, I'd be very excited about Josh Allen.

I'm just dreading the idea of the guy at 1. Too much of a risk/project.


White I see as a third round prospect. I don't think he'll go before round three. To me, saying Allen is worse than White is really cutting Allen short.

I hadn't heard that about White but if I was in an NFL FO, I would spend a lot of time looking into players personality and work ethic. But as fans we don't reliably get this information.

Darnold #1, Barkley at #4 and be done with it

That's true. Teams put out those kind of reports all the time, just hoping that the guy might fall to them.

Could be the case. Either way, I think Josh Allen has gotten such a bad rap via the internet that he's being made out to be worse than he is.


I make my argument banging the table and rolling on the ground kicking and screaming that he shouldn't be the number 1 pick. Not that the guy is a third round talent

I am making my judgement of him based on looking at film of him. I purposely avoided the Iowa and Oregon games because the talent disparity between then and Wyoming so I didn't think that would be a fair analysis.

I did watch every throw from the Utah St game and the Colorado State games though. The thought of taking him in the 1st round makes me cringe. Taking him #1 overall would probably make me throw up.

That's fair. As long as you've watched some real game footage, and especially not just highlights.

I watched a few of his games myself, I believe in January, although I don't really remember verses who: and I quickly was against the idea of him at number 1.



My board has remained where it's been with the QBs since January too.


And I agree that Allen at 1 is a huge over reach. But I could see the case made for him in the 20's and esp in the 2nd round. If the reports of how well the interviews went are true the case could be made at least (in the 20's).

He made some great plays and threw some unbelievable passes. He was just so inconsistent for someone being viewed as a possible number 1 pick. Decision making and with his accuracy. I don't see how he compares to Rosen or Mayfield at all.

And Darnold, while I found his decision making to be questionable sometimes, doesn't have the consistency issues when it comes to accuracy, and he throws the ball with anticipation.

I'm not an expert film guy or anything, but I did watch film of each QB. To me, Allen is WAY too inconsistent. Honestly, his accuracy resembled Kizer's.

Darnold's one big mistake (turnover prone) is fixable IMO (or at least more fixable).

Rosen is SMOOTH, but I've heard we flagged him for medical reasons ... so he's gone

I can understand why he will be taken in the 1st round.
But I wouldn't do it.

Barkley will be gone at 2

See, if that's the actual case. I'm okay with that.

It'd make sense.


I hope the truth about why we passed on Rosen comes out if we don't draft the guy.


I think he's really been overlooked and had a bad rap during this process. Esp the nonsense about his personality and stuff. I think that was overblown.


As a player, he's the best of the bunch in my mind. No doubt about it

I have much more concern about Mayfield's personality than Rosen's - not having met them - just going by a few soundbites.

heh, I keep checking this thread to see what's being said about Darnold, and finding that the conversation is about everyone but him.

Good stuff on the Sam.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-to...ve-release-time

Nice watch, thanks.

good video from a science perspective.

He's got the talent, heck, all of the top 4 have the talent,

the questions that should separate these 4 QB's IMO are 2 things:

1. Will the QB we select excel in our offense?
2. Is he mentally able to succeed in the NFL?

A theme that seems to flow as an undercurrent in these discussions is the seeming belief that 1 of these QBs will excel and the others won't. "We have to draft [insert favorite name here] or we will have blown it again." I believe there will be more than 1 star coming out of this class of QBs.

As you point out, where they end up, the offense they are put into, has great impact. One guy could light it up with the Giants but be so-so here. Another could excel in this environment but wither under the intensity of NY. While the odds are 1 or 2 will prove good to great, the others prove average or below, there is a good chance that 3 or 4 of this year's class proves out. The 1983 class sent 3 QBs to the HOF.

I've always thought that situation plays a vital role in the success or failure of the rookie QBs.

I think all the QBs developed properly could have success....and i think the Browns finally have the right pieces in place to develop a QB.

I tell you what !!!!!

I completely agree when we traded down (passing on wentz) I said I would be all good as long as we got Darnold

A lot has happened since then and while I have let my mind wander to Wyoming and Oklahoma ... LA still has the best two QBs.

... and I like Darnold best.

I wouldn't mind Darnold either. I prefer Rosen and Mayfield, but Darnold is a choice i'd be happy with. He's got the tools. Just needs to really polish his game

Is any of this credible about Mayfield? hard to believe.

No one knows anything about who we are going to pick (or they at least haven't reported it yet). It's weird.

And he missed almost a whole year of high school because of an injury.

Fingers crossed ....

I am fairly confident it's going to be Darnold.

Me too.

Thanks guys but you’ll have to excuse me if I cant put much credence in to what u say .... i don’t think anyone knows just quite yet ....

I’ve heard Misses Dorsey has a hair dresser appt. Thursday morning ... maybe we’ll know more thursday afternoon after her hairdressers presser ....

Yea but I heard Dorsey's friend of a friends Uncle that knows someone on the team said he thought he heard Dorsey on the phone and was saying that he liked tall QB's so its gotta be Josh.. He didn't say which Josh though I think its Darnold myself but I still prefer Rosen.

*LOL* ... let me rephrase that ... I am pretty sure I know who we 'should' take @1

Better?

Do keep me posted on the beauty shop dossier old boy...

signs today strongly indicating its darnold

Seen it in color

They killed me when they took JM$ over Derrick Carr too ...

Ditto on the all in for Darnold, Rosen can throw beautifully- BUT, he's been mauled in college- almost zero escapability
and brittle- he's Sam Donald OKL all over again with less escapaility. Allen scares me- some evaluators state he has little anticipation on throws and lacks accuracy. I want Darnold to watch and learn, then play.....GO Browns!!!

Yeah, there's screenshots of Benjamin Albright's Twitter saying, "It's Darnold" and he quickly deleted the tweet after.

I guess he'll be on Browns Daily tomorrow (which, I unfortunately don't have service for)

https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/988846027754147841



I like Darnold. He makes plays, throws with anticipation, and is accurate. I do get nervous about the fumbles and the occasional bad decision he seems to make. Hopefully that's something we could figure out, as that's my biggest negative on the guy. Fumbles and inconsistent decision making

But, I'll be happy with Sam Darnold if that's the pick.

The Only scenario I see that puts Barkley at #4 is if the Browns take Mayfied at 1, and the Giants take Darnold at #2, and the Jets take Rosen at 3.

The only way to get Barkley at 4 is if you force the Jets to decide Rosen or Barkley at #3 and they choose Rosen.

Assuming the Giants would JUMP at Darnold, settle for Barkley!
Assuming the Jets would JUMP at Mayfield, settle for Rosen or Barkley.