I would not discount the political angle. In the age of millennial social justice warriors and everyone wanting a reality show, I don't think it is ridiculous that a liberal California kid would desperately prefer New York to Cleveland. Conversely, Phillip Rivers HATED the idea of going to LA. Carson Wentz has taken all kinds of heat in Philly simply because he likes hunting. Now, Cleveland is not exactly a bastion of conservatism, but kids who grow up on the coasts think places like Cleveland are the same as Montana. Assuming all of these guys have the requisite talent, picking a guy who will embrace Cleveland is important. I don't get that from Rosen.
So in all of your wisdom tab, tell me what makes you think any of these QB's will sign a second contract with the Browns? What makes you think Rosen won't? And what in the hell does a comment about trump have to do with any of this?
You're just searching for something that isn't there.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
People still putting politics over talent? What a crock of BS.
If we draft this kid and he wins I could care less about his politics ...
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Guess I wasn't clear. I would not care about his politics either, and I doubt that most fans would. What I meant was that a liberal millennial from LA might really hate the idea of playing in the heartland and vastly prefer New York. That was all I was trying to say.
This ones easy .... hes visiting .... right after the pleasantries U look young Josh in the eyes and tell him we need to have a man to man .... convo should go something like this ...
Josh, we haven’t made up our minds yet but we think your one hell of a QB and your right there in the mix ... i do need to clear a few things up ... i’m going to ask u a question ... theres no right or wrong answer Josh this is about whats in your heart ....
Would you like to be a Cleveland Brown? .....
If he says no ... u then ask why so u have a chance to overcome his objections and show him why hes wrong over the next 24 hours ... then before he leaves ... U ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN and see if anything’s changed ....
If he still says NO ... then i would just cross him off our list ... If he’ll look me in the eye and tell me he doesnt want to be hear ... with how close these guys are according to most ... and if that whats Dorsey thinks .... i dont want him here either ... not for spite ... just not the way to start a relationship ...
If he says yes ... u just don’t accept it ... u smile and say thats great ... then depending how he answered the question ... u drill down that way ...
As for his 2nd contract .... thats at least 4 or 5 years out ... so much will change in those 4 or 5 years ... and that’s MINIMUM ....
IF i think Josh is the best QB for me ... i’m Not going to draft someone else cause I think its going to be impossible to re-sign him .... thats putting the cart so far out in front of the horse that the horse couldn’t see the cart with high powered binoculars ... *L* ....
It's just all the stupidity that has been conjured up simply because his college coach said he thought his personality was better suited for New York.
Then people just started adding a bunch of made up crap to go with it and started talking about what might happen five years from now. Just crazy crap! lmao
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I would not discount the political angle. In the age of millennial social justice warriors and everyone wanting a reality show, I don't think it is ridiculous that a liberal California kid would desperately prefer New York to Cleveland. Conversely, Phillip Rivers HATED the idea of going to LA. Carson Wentz has taken all kinds of heat in Philly simply because he likes hunting. Now, Cleveland is not exactly a bastion of conservatism, but kids who grow up on the coasts think places like Cleveland are the same as Montana. Assuming all of these guys have the requisite talent, picking a guy who will embrace Cleveland is important. I don't get that from Rosen.
Just a note, Philip Rivers hating LA had nothing to do with politics. He has a wife and 7 kids, lives in a nice house, and is heavily involved with the local community. He didn't want to uproot all of that and move to LA for what will likely be just a handful of years.
I would not discount the political angle. In the age of millennial social justice warriors and everyone wanting a reality show, I don't think it is ridiculous that a liberal California kid would desperately prefer New York to Cleveland. Conversely, Phillip Rivers HATED the idea of going to LA. Carson Wentz has taken all kinds of heat in Philly simply because he likes hunting. Now, Cleveland is not exactly a bastion of conservatism, but kids who grow up on the coasts think places like Cleveland are the same as Montana. Assuming all of these guys have the requisite talent, picking a guy who will embrace Cleveland is important. I don't get that from Rosen.
Where is Sam Darnold from? Where is Josh Allen from?
I would not discount the political angle. In the age of millennial social justice warriors and everyone wanting a reality show, I don't think it is ridiculous that a liberal California kid would desperately prefer New York to Cleveland. Conversely, Phillip Rivers HATED the idea of going to LA. Carson Wentz has taken all kinds of heat in Philly simply because he likes hunting. Now, Cleveland is not exactly a bastion of conservatism, but kids who grow up on the coasts think places like Cleveland are the same as Montana. Assuming all of these guys have the requisite talent, picking a guy who will embrace Cleveland is important. I don't get that from Rosen.
Where is Sam Darnold from? Where is Josh Allen from?
I guess we're taking Baker Mayfield.
I don't think its the city, but the owners of the franchise...
Don't think Haslam would sign on Rosen for QB, neither Haslam nor the Jets, they are ultra conservative owners.
How much do these people make? Pay me that kind of money, a and I wonder if I can do that job. This decision shouldn't be hard, yet they'll screw it all up.
Sometimes I wonder if God just hates the Browns. This Josh Allen garbage just kills me
Edit:Correction, I wonder if I can do a better job, pro-bono
I'm just another poster on a message board with limited skills and information and thus far, my draft record of projected picks are better than the Browns drafts since the return. And there are a lot of posters that holds true for.
I just have the hope that someone with Dorseys experience and the staff he has assembled will change all of that. At this point that's all I have to hang onto.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
i mean...people will have their own opinions about that article, but these guys made some really good points about Rosen.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Rosen isn't a walking contradiction. It's perfectly reasonable to value authenticity and individuality while understanding there is a time and place for everything, and that there are times when your values of 'being yourself' simply aren't worth the trouble that can arise.
That isn't a contradiction, that is a balance that we all juggle in our daily lives.
I value my individuality, but I balance it when appropriate. Even now, I'm inclined to say things that I won't write here. I consistently use profanity, this forum won't allow it, so I balance my individuality (Giving my opinion) while conforming to what is expected of me (Giving my opinion without dropping an F-bomb for emphasis) to strike a balance.
Rosen saying his passion is football followed by saying he wants to be happy isn't a contradiction. It is disturbing that when it comes to Rosen, he's seemingly banned from having outside interests in football.
It wasn't that long ago we were celebrating Joe Thomas for his off-field interests in media/podcasting, fishing and hunting, his devoted attention to his fruit and vegetable garden, his partnership with Mission BBQ and, most importantly, his love of his family and kids. 73 finally giving in and using social media showed us that there is much, much more to that man than just football - and we absolutely loved it because he's everything we thought he was; A humble, wholesome, humorous guy who seems more like an oversized dork than a violent football player.
Rosen is no different. To the extent of my knowledge, his interests outside of football are admirable. He's politically minded, he takes an interest in philosophy and philanthropy. He likes reading and learning. He's open-minded to theology. He likes films and documentaries - and is currently interested in space and the universe. He thinks it's cool that his dad has fought against the pharmaceutical industry and corruption in medical practices. He's interested in the environment. He's not a fan of the NCAA.
Suddenly those two things fly in the face of one another. Can't love football AND other things. Let me ask this of everyone - does your profession define all that you're interested in? Every single NFL player has an interest out of football. Rosen's interests are not only reasonable, but they're admirable. It's great to see young people wanting to actively engage in some of the serious topics.
Rosen's regret of using the F-word also isn't a contradiction even though he used profanity throughout the interview. Firstly, everyone knows that media outlets censor profanity so it wouldn't be a direct use. Secondly, a conversation and posting profanity on social media is very different. Thirdly, are we really knocking a kid for using profanity? I find it remarkable that people still lose their minds about profanity. Who give a, well, yeah. Anyone seen Phil Rivers mic'd up? Notorious trash talker who doesn't mind dropping the curses.
What the article did show is that Rosen is introspective. He's considering who he is and if there is anything about himself that requires change. He's a kid. Were we not all that way? It's not quite the character flaw it is being made out to be.
I won't even get in to Shannon Sharpe talking about Rosen's character flaws. There were few men more egotistical and self-absorbed. That, for reference, actually is a contradiction. One that none of them even called Sharpe out on.
Skip talks about what winning Rosen did in high school? Did he do any winning? Yeah, he did. I know that because I lurked Josh Rosen's entire social media history - and he's always been about football. For all his interests and access to a lifestyle that gave him a million opportunities to flex, all Rosen has ever done is post about football. Not only did he do that, he did that as the nation's top recruit while carrying a 4.3 GPA. So, he's essentially Jared Goff. Side note - We all loved Goff and Wentz for their high GPA and additional hobbies. Both carried a 4+ GPA, Wentz loved hunting and Goff loved baseball and movies/reading - the Rams even made a big deal of their trip to Universal Studios because Goff was such a well-known Harry Potter fan.
Speak of Goff - I wonder who else took heat for wanting to win games but not doing enough winning in college. For Rosen as it was true with Goff, winning is a team game and Rosen isn't the reason his team lost. Let's be honest, Rosen was the best player on a bad team; the same situation Goff was in.
As they talk about Rosen's team mates, it is worth remembering that Rosen's team mates have consistently leapt to his defence. Team mates, coaches. There has been a lot of talk, but it's abundantly clear that everyone thinks highly of him and all of them consider his 'issues' to be overblown.
The arguments against Rosen are fair, but none of them have stood up and I can't understand why it continues. He's not a bad kid. He's smart and he's passionate. He's not on the wrong side of the law, he's not reckless.
I understand if people think there are better options at quarterback, but I don't understand the character assassination of Rosen. He's not a bad person. Far from it.
Well, for some you can't be a liberal and a good football player...
You can be a murderer, promote dog fights, rapist, but not a liberal...
We got it long time ago.
I see very few contradictions. You can play football, but you only live once.
One thing is to say the F word in an interview other is to have it written on a hat you wear. He didn't have to use the F word on the hat to pass the message on Trump.
And you can be truthful and sincere and still be aware on how you talk.
He'snot going to the Jets and He's not going to the Browns... only a liberal owner will sign Rosen.
You really hanging your hat on that Birthday (he just turned 21) celebration and in a drunken stuper tried to run from the cops. Guess you never been drunk on campus.
If a Steeler runs through our practice...I sure hope our QB throws a football at his head.
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
Honestly, I think that video will only serve to push people further in the same direction that they're already leaning on Rosen.
People who think he has an attitude problem will agree with everything they said.
People who don't think he has an attitude problem will look at that interview and use it as an example of how talking heads are so hurting for material that they're spending time talking about how a kid football player dropping f-bombs is going to drop him in the draft... despite agreeing that he's the best QB prospect.
My opinion, he may have attitude problems... but they're not competing in a popularity contest. Also, I think their line of thought on how Rosen wouldn't mesh well with an NFL locker room is complete crap.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Its college...ya think his demeanor will be more business like. He still will have emotion that his team can ride. But he won't do things that will get his team penalties.
Come on Pit...I know Rosen is your guy, at least for 4 to 5 years then he retires from football. But don't shamelessly put down a QB like that. Is that the only way Rosen can be better than Mayfield...cause he was not caught on camera for his birthday celebration. If teams did what they did to Mayfield they would start the game with penalties. You think the refs would let them all put their hands behind their back and not shake hands when they come out as Captains...really NFL won't give them unsportsmanlike penalty. You talking college stuff and then saying its going to happen in the NFL...made up stuff.
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
Its college...ya think his demeanor will be more business like. He still will have emotion that his team can ride. But he won't do things that will get his team penalties.
Manziel is going to mature also once he becomes a professional.
Not trying to be sarcastic and I'm NOT saying Mayfield is Manziel, but most folks don't change all that much just because they are getting paid. I'm not down on Mayfield, I don't necessarily want him either.. but I will not be surprised when he acts pretty much the same way he did in college.. if a team can live with that, he might be good.
I just don't think he's the best QB in the draft and that's what we need.
I had no idea Manziel was a drunk...The kid Mayfield ok over did his drinking on his 21st Birthday. Woopty doo.
Also Manziel was full of entitlement. There isn't an ounce of entitlement in Mayfield. They simply aren't even close to the same kind of persona.
Mayfield is a student of the game - Manziel had 20 plays his entire college career.
Mayfield never reached Manziel Status in college.. but we can imagine what he would do if he did...
Not saying its a bad thing. I think its more a personality trait, but you must either be a team that embraces that mentality, or be a team that has the structure to deal with this type of players.
Drafting Manziel wasn't a good idea, and it never had anything to do with the way he played. I actually think and thought he was a good QB.
