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Did I miss Wednesday ? Man that was a LONG sleep I took .

More than you realize. This is 2060 AD.

Lol, oops!

When I say today, I definitely mean tomorrow.

And the Browns are still a crappy team and we are deciding between which one of two QBs to take #1 overall, Sam Darnold III or Josh Allen III.

I was fairly upset with the idea of taking Darnold over Rosen.....then they said it was Josh Allen and I was clamoring for Darnold lol

There is a ton of noise on Allen from guys who usually do a pretty good job. That doesn't mean we are taking Allen, but it means there is a reason for it coming out.

1. Could be we really like Allen and are just letting the shock and initial hate the fanbase will give wear off a little.

2. Could be a ploy to gauge interest in the 4 pick from Bills/Cardinals

I don't know which one it is, but guys like Jeremiah, Brooks, and King aren't making stuff up....they are hearing this, but that also doesn't necessarily mean it will or won't happen.

Right now today.... I would rather have the Browns Pick Allen, or Mayfield than Darnold. Darnold strikes me as a turnover machine who will never be a solid NFL QB. I could be wrong and I have no problem admitting it down the road if Darnold ends up be a better QB than Allen and Mayfield but I just don't see that happening.

Are you Serious? Holy fecies.

110 percent bro. Like I said you can beat me down in three years if I am wrong. I won't put up a fuss.

Since we are hearing a lot about Allen being in play for the 1st overall pick, I went back and looked at a couple of his games. Normally I choose to watch games vs the the best opponents but I didn't think that would be fair. Iowa and Oregon have such a talent disparity over Wyoming that no Qb could have a good game. So I watched the games vs Colorado State and Utah State.

1, Some people have attributed Allen's low completion percentage to him throwing more deep passes and fewer screens/dump offs than the other other guys. In these 2 games he threw a lot a short screens and check downs. I didn't count it up but if felt like almost 40% of his passes.

2, I spent most of the time I was watching just shaking my head. I have no idea how this guy is even considered in the 1st 3 rounds let alone #1 overall. I don't even know how to describe how awful he was in these 2 games. Ugh.

He's big and white and is nice and throws the ball far.

https://www.theringer.com/2018/4/11/17224760/josh-allen-cleveland-browns-analytics-nfl-draft

I would rather have Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, and yes, Jackson, before Allen. Man, I just see huge, destructive bust written all over him.

Vers always says that you can't teach accuracy at this level, and while I think that accuracy can be improved upon, the level of inaccuracy Allen shows makes it hard to believe that he will manage to develop into a legitimate NFL starter. He has poor ball placement, and I don't care how big an arm he has, if he can't fit the ball where it needs to go, NFL defenses will make him pay.

I like a lot of the moves Dorsey has made thus far, but drafting Allen would really make me question his ability to build a Super Bowl team.

Doesn't get better than that.

I figured I'd offer a ridiculous comment in reply to yours.

Looks like our football guys want him. It's not about whatt a player has done. It's about how he projects going forward.

If we draft him I will hope he does well, but will not be surprised when he fails.

Right, because being white is part of it. Ever hear of Michael Vick? Supremely skilled athlete with a cannon arm who was overdrafted because of his ability but wasn't a good QB. Jamarcus Russell?

I would say there is a 75 percent chance we take Darnold, 20 percent chance we go Mafield and five percent we do anything g else. We simply aren't drafting Allen unless we take two QBs.

I hope that all of the Allen talk is just that .... talk ... and misdirection ....

I don't disagree. I am not pimping Allen...I like Mayfield.

I have just come to know that football guys get all excited over measurables such as arm strength, height, etc. They tend to chase the fools gold. I hope we don't, but through the years we have seen it over and over...and not just our team.

Two weeks from today we will know who we settled on. Should be some interesting conversations going on at that point!

I really don't think Allen is a choice at all..I would not be shocked by the other two names if they are called..Mayfield/Allen.
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The question is, did people finaly start correctly calling it "twenty sixty", or are there still some (people) like "Alex Trebec, of Jeopardy" who call it

"two thousand sixty" , or the unacceptable to mathematics, "two thousand and sixty"

When seriously, any rational, err, irrational thinking human being already knows, that the whole "two thousand" thing was cute/fine for a couple years but any year referred to after 2012 at the very latest

Has to be called "twenty" thirteen and so on unless they don't understand the concept of year number pronunciation.


On Josh Allen: I was going to say: -------(wait I had him confused with Rosen,).

But on the top Qb's, / whomever for the #1 pick.

If you considered it this way, the Browns have the best 5 on their team and have to send 4 away without compensation to other teams,
The Browns would not send Baker Mayfield off their team to the Jets without compensation.

In fact, when I considered it that way, Saquan Barkley was the hardest to part with without compensation,...

Until I remembered about Mayfield.

That is a terrible way to look at things when picking a player.

It's not right to ignore what a player has done so far when projecting how he will do going forward, unless you are trying to get the wrong answer.

Isn't it psychologists that say the biggest indicator of future behavior is past behavior.

The Browns don't have some world beating development of raw arm strength/height weight/athleticism, system in place that inserts raw material and outputs a polished NFL quarterback... in place.
The Browns don't have that.

I think the 6 or 7 month process might cause people to over think these things.

If the NFL draft were a 1 day 15 minute decision at the end of the season, I don't think Josh Allen would even be in consideration.

He played in Wyoming
Where?!
Canada? no Wyoming.

He may as well have played football in the South Pacific, as a Qb,.

In my opinion, Wyoming is not a football school that brings talent into the NFL, so I'd say it's like

bringing a double A player into the majors in baseball,

when you have the whole triple A system in front of you.

To be honest, I said the same thing about Aaron Rogers of Green Bay, because he played some time in Butte Jr College.

How this board will completely unravel if Allen is indeed the pick, lol.

While he’s not my favorite, I’ve said all the way back into last year how Allen could be a a Dorsey type of QB. Basing it on how Dorsey has drafted in the past. It really wouldn’t be a surprise to me.

And forward doesn't even start until the season after this.

Thats the plan for now ...

I’m not sure what u think we have in TT .. hes a MASSIVE upgrade for us ... but he has his limitations ...

Its REALISTIC the rook could become a viable option at some point during the year ... if we draft Rosen or mayfield ... its very realistic ...

I like TT. I think he can be perfect with Haley and the players we have with him.


Let me put it this way....if we win, Hue will go with TT. If we start 1-4, Hue will be screaming he needs the rook, and I would be screaming that Hue hit the door.


Hue is out for Hue. He jerked Kizer around like a ragdoll for his own good. I don't like that, and I was never a big fan of Kizer, but that kid got screwed by Hue.


If I was Dorsey, I wouldn't even let Hue to talk to the new QB, let along decide on when he starts.


LOL....ok, he can talk to him. I would just tell Hue that Haley makes that call.



I don't like Hue, but do feel sorry for him.


I can see him going to Williams and saying we need to do this.....lol....same with Haley.



Hue may be liked and respected by players. I don't think so much around the coaching world.

A lot of screaming meemies if we select Allen I suspect - LOL.

Not I, however.

Give it up guys.. NO ONE has a clue what Dorsey is going to do. I love all the rumors from 3rd party unnamed sources that say we like certain players or Dorsey will pick this or that guy based on his previous drafts. The players in THIS draft for this team are a different world in a different time. I wouldnt be surprised if he took Barkley and then say he never had a chance to draft a RB with his skill set and he was BPA period.

Ah, Mahomes. I wonder if this is why many think the pick will be Allen...

The Mahomes pick for the Chiefs and Dorsey last year makes me think Mayfield is a consideration, not Allen necessarily. The body of work for Mahomes is far superior compared to Allen. And the only thing I feel they really have in common is the strong arm. I think people compare the arm strength and say we are taking Allen. I don't think Dorsey drafted Allen for his arm strength.

The things Dorsey said about Mahomes remind me of the things Mayfield does well. One thing that sticks in my mind is when I read that Mahomes was given a test to challenge his memory and retention. I've read, and can't locate where, that Mahomes passed this test with flying colors. In fact I believe he was the only one who passed. We also know that Dorsey was enamored with the fact that Mayfield memorized the Oklahoma playbook in 48 hours.

I've read this notion of information retention is a huge factor when drafting quarterbacks, but it's something we as fans never get any info on... Gruden would always rest this in his QB camp and most recently there's a clip of former Coach Mariucci with Mayfield and he's asked to remember a play the coach experienced to him minutes ago. Mayfield remembers.

My question is how does Allen fair in this regard? How about Rosen, or Darnold? If they don't fair as well as Mayfield, he's going to be the pick, easily.

I agree. Not much has been said about Mayfield since early on when Dorsey was linked to the guy one way or the other, and we hired some guy who says Mayfield is the best.

Since then, nothing.

My guess on the hush hush is we hope to get the Giants to move up one slot. I don't see how playing this QB bluff would have any impact on the 4th pick.

I think Mayfield is going to be the pick. Yesterday I read in one of the articles where a transition from TT to the new guy should be seamless. My thinking is that Baker would be that guy.

Until we hear from Dorsey’s wife’s hair dresser ... its all BS ... the wife’s hair dresser is always the first to know .... ALWAYS ....

J/C

For what it's worth, Nathan Zegura gives the quarterbacks these odds of being a Cleveland Brown on draft day;

Sam Darnold - 51%
Baker Mayfield - 20%
Josh Rosen - 15%
Josh Allen - 14%

Interesting. With all the buzz on Allen, someone who spends their day in Berea gives him only a 14% chance of having his name called.

I'm not saying Zegura is in the know, he himself often says he's not, but I do think he often knows more than he lets on. Which isn't shocking given his proximity to staff compared to that of some talking heads who have likely never even met anyone in inside the Browns building.

I wish I still had my crying baby meme.