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Though half the free world has Josh Allen to the Browns, it’d still be a risk because he didn’t dominate mid-level competition. Dorsey is a measurables guy, and Allen is THE measurable quarterback here (6'5", 237 pounds, 4.79 in the 40). But a couple of things influenced my call here. One is Mike Mayock. The NFL Network conscience has a way of cutting through the gorgonzola and stating reality. He said the Browns have made too many mistakes on quarterbacks, and they can’t go risky here. It made a lot of sense—and Mayock is a guy who loves the long-term Josh Allen. And we’re all prisoners of the people we know in this league. And someone I trust, who is very often right and is very well-connected, told me Sunday it’s not Allen. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the Science of the Mock. Darnold is safe, with strong potential, and most NFL folks think he can turn around the turnover bug (37 career turnovers in 26 USC games). Darnold’s a jock who wants to be a great football player. And at 8:46 p.m. Sunday, that’s where I am. All I can say, good luck to anyone who bets on the first pick in the draft based on my waffling logic.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I'm not seeing WHO it is we are drafting, but who we aren't.
I think some do know who it isn't and thus are assuming who it is.
However, I've seen we aren't drafting Allen and we aren't drafting Darnold. So that only leaves two in my opinion. Rosen or Mayfield.
I hope it's the latter.
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Didn’t we just trade a Josh Allen to Green Bay a month or so ago? Why would we draft another?
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Didn’t we just trade a Josh Allen to Green Bay a month or so ago? Why would we draft another? QBs with those measurements and arm talent are the Siren song for GMs/coaches
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At this point we have to hope Dorsey recognizes that siren songs lead to doom.
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I say its Mayfield .... thats based off Dorseys man crush on him last season ... thats really ALL WE KNOW for sure ... and that ain’t much ... its a wee bit outdated ... *L* ...
but im still hoping we hear from Dorseys wife’s hair dresser ... til then its all BS!!!!
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The only way I would take Allen is at 4 after taking Darnold at 1.
We got to get this right. If they both work out trade one in a year or two.
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I want to like Allen. He has a lot of good traits but in the end I just can't see him over Darnold.
Darnold can be fixed. Correcting turnovers is a matter of training and muscle memory. Like fixing a bad habit.
Allen has the arm and all the physical tools. But his ssiues are way harder to fix.
He makes bad decisions. He has mechanics to fix in his footwork. He lacks touch, timing, and anticipation. he rely's upon to arm strength way to much. See open; throw to open. Not anticipate open and throw the guy open.
Sam is already there. He does it second nature. He keeps plays alive and throws guys open now. He escapes to find receivers. He keeps plays alive to throw it.
He is way ahead of Allen and he is only twenty.
Allen may get to where Darnold is so why take the risk when the guy is there now?
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I think that Darnold will be the best QB in this draft. I think that Rosen could be a good QB, right away, but I think that Darnold just has that special "it" about him, where he can create plays outside the pocket, and he'll be the best starting at year 2 or 3.
Mayfield I worry about, just because of the size. Can he hit small NFL windows? I just don't know.
Allen? Well, can he hit the broad side of the barn? How about under pressure?
I see no way that we don't take Darnold. He is the best combination of high floor with a very high ceiling.
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Biggest error we made when evaluating Kyle Boller out of Cal was justifying low comp % by criticizing the talent he had around him. But he can throw the ball far from one knee!
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I've been quoting Billick for weeks. Glad someone else finally sees it.
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We have already drafted a baseball player, fool me twice and its on me...
I think Josh is intriguing, but also looking at him throwing its quite evident that he is a baseball player, and that does not translate well to the NFL.
Unfortunately there is a very high possibility of us drafting him #1. Browns always outsmart themselves and Dorsey did draft Mahomes, which is Josh twin...
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Interesting... if you were to ask me, Mahomes is closer to Mayfield, hardly a Josh Allen clone.
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Baseball players do not translate well to the NFL. That's bunk.
Weeden maybe, but how about:
1. Tom Brady
2. John Elway
3. Dan Marino
4. Matt Stafford
5. Russel Wilson
6. Jameis Winston
7. Daunte Culpepper
8. Colin Kapernick
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Interesting... if you were to ask me, Mahomes is closer to Mayfield, hardly a Josh Allen clone.
I think that Donald is most like Pat Mahomes imo. Both have a lightning quick release, they are both adept at extending the play and avoiding the rush; both can run the ball, but they are not relying on their legs; both throw the ball off platform at times with success; both have mechanical abnormalities in their game that they will mostlikely never fully change, but will be successful in spite of their mechanical abnormalities.
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We have already drafted a baseball player, fool me twice and its on me...
I think Josh is intriguing, but also looking at him throwing its quite evident that he is a baseball player, and that does not translate well to the NFL.
Unfortunately there is a very high possibility of us drafting him #1. Browns always outsmart themselves and Dorsey did draft Mahomes, which is Josh twin... I think that Pat Mahomes is going to be a good QB, so I don't see how Dorsey out smarted himself by trading up for him last year. Mahomes extends playes under pressure...Allen folds or hurries the throw under pressure.
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Darnold is a turnover machine. Taking him at 1 would be a huge mistake! Take Barkley at 1 and Fitzpatrick at 4.
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Interesting... if you were to ask me, Mahomes is closer to Mayfield, hardly a Josh Allen clone.
Brett Favre, Pat Mahomes on the positive along with Weeden and Jamarcus are the Qb's that are usually compared to Josh. Mayfield does not have Mahomes cannon.
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We have already drafted a baseball player, fool me twice and its on me...
I think Josh is intriguing, but also looking at him throwing its quite evident that he is a baseball player, and that does not translate well to the NFL.
Unfortunately there is a very high possibility of us drafting him #1. Browns always outsmart themselves and Dorsey did draft Mahomes, which is Josh twin... I think that Pat Mahomes is going to be a good QB, so I don't see how Dorsey out smarted himself by trading up for him last year. Mahomes extends playes under pressure...Allen folds or hurries the throw under pressure. Well passing on Deshaun to take Mahomes is hardly a smart move... Drafting Josh #1 would be asinine, IMHO....
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We have already drafted a baseball player, fool me twice and its on me...
I think Josh is intriguing, but also looking at him throwing its quite evident that he is a baseball player, and that does not translate well to the NFL.
Unfortunately there is a very high possibility of us drafting him #1. Browns always outsmart themselves and Dorsey did draft Mahomes, which is Josh twin... I think that Pat Mahomes is going to be a good QB, so I don't see how Dorsey out smarted himself by trading up for him last year. Mahomes extends playes under pressure...Allen folds or hurries the throw under pressure. Well passing on Deshaun to take Mahomes is hardly a smart move... Drafting Josh #1 would be asinine, IMHO.... I had Mahomes over Watson too...Watson got his shot as a rookie ... Mahomes will get his shot this year, so the jury is still out in my thinking. Although Watson did exceed my expectations and I see no reason why he can't become an even better QB. And Allen @1 for me is like taking BQ all over again, only this time with the first pick 
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1. Turn over machine (Darnold) that is very fixable, also stated by Dorsey as fixable. Keep in mind with TT we do have a year to make the fixes.
2. Mahomes references. He was a #10 pick in a QB draft class that pales in comparison to our 2018 QB draft class. We are talking about the overall #1 pick. All references should be against Goff, Wentz and Trubisky if anything. Ugghh I keep shaking my head when I say the word Wentz...lol 
3. Allen without a doubt has the highest risk of probably the top 6 QBs in this class. Also his largest negative is Accuracy and is not an easily fixable problem.
4. Baseball, is maybe a testimony to athleticism if anything. As for throwing. Very different and adjustment from baseball to football needed. What usually is product of doing both is that the arm seems to be naturally stronger. I tell parents of baseball. Throw, then Throw some more throw everyday and you arm strength will get greater. This is without going into more technical drills like LONG THROW. But as long as you do not throw your arm out from not controlling the throws and warming up correctly. You get a stronger arm from simply throwing and throwing. heck anything...skip rocks at the lake. Always throwing.
Allen is not a #1 overall pick prospect for the NFL. Kid is a good smart kid and a good athlete. I'm not that sure a good QB though.
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Allen is my fourth guy.
Everyone is freaking out about this guy being our pick.
My take all along has been; if this guy puts it all together he could be special.
He has the furthest to go and that is why I have him fourth.
However, I like the young man. I am pulling for him to do well.
He came up the hard way. Often I go back to an old saying; "it is very hard to measure how bad someone wants it".
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf...ound/548874002/
I saw this video today on how he got here and even though I had read it; it becomes more personal when you hear it directly.
If the Browns take Allen I will be disappointed because Darnold is my guy.
But I believe if it is Allen then he had a lot to overcome and must have really impressed Dorsey and his group.
So I will be in his corner pulling for him to prove once again that he can be the man.
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If I truly believed a person with that much accuracy problems could be fixed...I would take Lamar Jackson over him in a heart beat!
Just don't see it happening. He can improve in almost all areas I'm sure but accuracy is something that can be taught just so far. Again what would you or anyone see in Allen that we did not already have in Kizer. That would be my dilemma there. Kizer > Allen.
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The more I looked into Dorsey the more I figured Darnold would be his guy.
So if he goes with Allen then he must have been really impressive in person.
I don't see Allen and Kizer as the same.
Kizer played with a superior cast.
Allen's accuracy problems comes from a different source. Unless you know the Wyoming roster to hard to tell.
Kizer was more than inaccurate. Near the end of the season he was repeating mistakes in judgement.
Allen is a better prospect by far. I would take Allen over Jackson.
Allen I believe has improved in a short period of time. I believe he will continue to improve with NFL coaching and better talent around him.
But Darnold is still my guy.
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Sticking my neck out again to remind folks. I believe that Allen and Mayfield will turn out to be better Pro's than Darnold. Please feel free to bash me or give me props after the 2020/2021 season
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Hell my favorite qb is Mason Rudolph. We take him top 4 I wouldn't complain.
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So if we choose Darnold or Rosen , your going to run into the street screaming just how bad Dorsey and Co. are and you will never post again and refute your Browns fandom ?? lol
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So if we choose Darnold or Rosen , your going to run into the street screaming just how bad Dorsey and Co. are and you will never post again and refute your Browns fandom ?? lol You better hope not. I don't think that GM owns any clothing that isn't Cleveland Browns clothing. 
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Kizer played with a superior cast.
Allen's accuracy problems comes from a different source.
I read a list of things somewhere stating things that are false.
On of which was the reason for Allen's inaccuracy was cause of the caliber of players he was playing with. I agree just a good excuse. Man somebody is doing a good job selling him though. I feel I'm watching the moving the Great White Hope.
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I think that at the end of the day ... "You have to trust your eyes".
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I think that Darnold will be the best QB in this draft. I think that Rosen could be a good QB, right away, but I think that Darnold just has that special "it" about him, where he can create plays outside the pocket, and he'll be the best starting at year 2 or 3.
Mayfield I worry about, just because of the size. Can he hit small NFL windows? I just don't know.
Allen? Well, can he hit the broad side of the barn? How about under pressure?
I see no way that we don't take Darnold. He is the best combination of high floor with a very high ceiling. I have the opposite opinion on Ceilings, I think Mayfields ceiling is much higher, and that's the drawback to Darnold, Sure I could like Darnold, I think Darnold is a "safe" pick, because his floor doesn't look low, he looks like he could be a very, well "nonplussed" is the word I'd describe my sentiments on him. Even Darnold / Chubb wouldn't screw things up , but it would feel a missed opportunity to get something special and really hit a home run so to speak.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I think if the Browns are going to screw up this draft it will start by drafting Allen #1.
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I look at Mayfield, and see "Tyrod Taylor+". He'll be pretty good, but I doubt that he'll ever be great. Lance Zierlein's NFL comp for him is Doug Flutie.
I think that Darnold has huge upside. I read Lance Zierlein's draft report, and his NFL comp is Andrew Luck.
I think that he will be exceptional, especially given a year to sit, learn, and acclimate to the NFL. I also think that his size and arm will be a real asset in Cleveland, in poor weather.
We'll see what happens with the Browns.
I see much, much more in Darnold than Mayfield.
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I also think that his size and arm will be a real asset in Cleveland, in poor weather. How often do teams actually play games in weather that affects the outcome of the game? Once a season?
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I also think that his size and arm will be a real asset in Cleveland, in poor weather. How often do teams actually play games in weather that affects the outcome of the game? Once a season? How often is one game the difference between the playoffs, or sitting at home? In the NFL you need every advantage. Also, while there may not be a ton of blizzards, there are strong Lake Erie winds that do make throwing the ball difficult.
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