Let's start by making it illegal to murde.....oh, wait. Nevermind.
Let's start by ......wait, already been done.
What we have left is ban guns. Forcibly take them because .......well, 442 wants to take them. That'll solve the problem. Wait, no, it won't.
The bad guys will get guns. They'll pay for them, they'll steal them, they'll get them from other countries, and the bad guys will be bad guys. And the law abiding citizens will slowly be 'lawed' into giving up their guns.
Let's do more background checks. Ok. Let's limit the capacity of a magazine. Ok. (do you know how long it takes to change mags in a gun?) Let's do this, like Japan. Let's do this, like all of Europe. Let's ban this type of gun.......wait, 442 wants them all gone - 'cause.
And pde, Yes, I do think homicide laws help to prevent many deaths. Not all, obviously.
Let's lock up all the gang bangers that are shooting people daily. That right there would cut gun homicides per capita in the U.S. by......half, if not more?
Better yet, let's build on 442's 'plan'. If you belong to a gang, even if you did nothing wrong, you should be jailed.
The guy at Douglas - how many times were the cops, and I think even the FBI, called about him?
This Nashville guy: Guns taken away, but his dad got them, and gave them back to him?
Psst, in my plan, this Nashville guy would have never had his guns given back to him because they would've been seized and destroyed. Therefore he wouldn't have shot anyone.
Your 'plan' ends up like this: Take everyones guns, and tax the hell out of those people until they give the guns up.
You want compromise? How about the criminals compromise?
And further, I have somewhere between 1 and 100 guns. Why should I have to pay because drug dealers and criminals shoot others? Why should I have to pay because some nut shoots up a school? My guns have killed: Deer. Rabbit. Woodchuck. And clay pigeons, and some cans, and many, many paper targets. And a tree, actually.
That's typical. You actually offered nothing to the plan. You just cut it down and choose to have no fruitful dialogue.
And how are you going to be taxed more? Guns can be melted down and scrapped, which could pay for the plan itself.
I take it back, you did offer something to the plan. Thanks for not only finding funding for the plan, but also a way to spin it as being "Green".
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
Whats funny is when pro 2a people bring up Chicago and their extreme laws, yet high amounts of shootings....all the anti 2a people say "well that's because they bring in the guns from other places"
So what they are saying is that laws don't do crap, they will get the gun from wherever they can, however they can. lol. Thanks for playing. ....
No, laws have varying degrees of effectiveness but banning guns in the city limits of Chicago and expecting it to be effective is like if you had an alcoholic in the house who couldn't resist the temptation of booze so you didn't keep any in the house... but kept several cases in the garage... and lived next door to a liquor store.
I'm not, in any way, arguing for or against gun laws like Chicago has but common sense dictates that the wider you make the law, the more effective it can be...
I've seen this notion that other countries aren't going to stop making guns or that criminals aren't just going to give theirs up.. this is a silly argument... it goes back to this notion that the 2A hardcores are waiting for some gun law that is perfect and eradicates all crime the moment it's signed... That ain't reality..
Of course it would take a while to confiscate guns from criminals, as they are caught, and disposed of... but if, for a criminal to get another gun, he had to know a guy who knew a guy, who could get one shipped in from another country and it had to make it through customs, and get to its point of destination and wind up with him... yea, I'm ok with that. Could he still technically get one? Yes.. but it would be difficult, it would be very risky, and it would be very expensive... as opposed to knowing which guy in the neighborhood has a bunch of illegal guns and he can go grab one for a $100.
You can also be guilty of a crime, with no jail time. They have probation and such. The "plan" is extremely flawed.
I answered this above. Needs to be a trial and a conviction.
So your law doesn't work.
How so? How can you get probation without being convicted?
What about the guys who were arrested and jailed for loitering at coffee place?
Your goal getting rid of gun by means of after someone is jailed, but if the criminal doesn't get jailed he doesn't lose his gun even after committing a crime!
Just curious here. We know Chicago, and Illinois really, have very strict gun laws.
We know some blame all the shootings in Chicago (most of them anyway) on the idea that guns can easily be bought in Indiana, and then taken to Chicago.
So, why doesn't Indiana have as many shootings as Chicago?
So if you show zero violent tendencies you still have no right to own a gun? I'm not sure that makes sense.
It doesn't, he believes no one should be allowed to own a gun. He is for banning all firearms, and repealing the 2nd amendment.
He's not wrong. But I'm trying to compromise here. If you want to own a gun, don't do time. I'm trying to limit the access to guns out there.
If my plan was in place, this guy wouldn't have shot up the Waffle House. His guns would've been destroyed and his stupid father wouldn't have been able to give them back to him.
Instead he'd stab people or run them over with a car. Problem with people like you is that you don't understand that bad people that want to do bad things will find a way. Guns or no guns.
If you actually care about saving lives, the focus should be on preventing any kind of violence, not just gun violence.
It's very difficult to stab dozens of innocent concert goers from a hotel room hundreds of feet away. Or run them over with a car from a hotel room.
It's very difficult to kill a bunch of kids inside a school with a van, or go on a knifing rampage in that school.
Your arguments are invalid.
Invalid? You are clearly so blinded by your hatred for guns(and the constitution) that you can't see what else is going on. A couple days ago 10 people were killed and 18 injured when a van drove through a crowd of people on a sidewalk. It's not difficult at all.
Ever seen a school at 3pm? Easy target for a kid that wants to commit mass murder to run over a bunch of kids with their car if they are unable to get a gun.
How many bullets did the 9-11 hijackers fire?
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
Just curious here. We know Chicago, and Illinois really, have very strict gun laws.
We know some blame all the shootings in Chicago (most of them anyway) on the idea that guns can easily be bought in Indiana, and then taken to Chicago.
So, why doesn't Indiana have as many shootings as Chicago?
By the crime statistics I could find, Illinois has 38 violent crimes per 10,000 citizens.. Indiana has 39.. so they are very close on a state level, Indiana is marginally worse..
But there are many more factors that have an impact beyond access to guns (legal or illegal)
Anywho, point being - we have revised regulations on firearms over, and over, and over, and over on current technology of arms.
Other than making full-auto illegal and recently making bump stocks illegal, what have we done?
That's not a sarcastic question, I would really like to know.. and I don't expect you to research every law (especially since many states are different)... but in general, what kind of things are we doing to our gun laws to account for new technology?
First, whats the new technology? Extended mags? They been around awhile, rate of fire hasn't changed since the ban of full auto. Bump stocks - you can use a rubber band and get the same rate of fire as a bump stock, how long have rubber bands been around?
Guns haven't really changed other than grips, types of materials they are made out off, etc. I can tell you first hand, I have guns over 50 years old, that shoot truer and more accurate than ones I just purchased last month.
Just curious here. We know Chicago, and Illinois really, have very strict gun laws.
We know some blame all the shootings in Chicago (most of them anyway) on the idea that guns can easily be bought in Indiana, and then taken to Chicago.
So, why doesn't Indiana have as many shootings as Chicago?
That argument is so flawed, it only bolsters the point against gun laws. If it is that easy to get around laws, and no one abides by themwhat good are they? If you cant get a gun in IL and go to IND, why would you say, IDK go to Mexico and get a gun? Or as Eric Holder to sell you some?
Just curious here. We know Chicago, and Illinois really, have very strict gun laws.
We know some blame all the shootings in Chicago (most of them anyway) on the idea that guns can easily be bought in Indiana, and then taken to Chicago.
So, why doesn't Indiana have as many shootings as Chicago?
That argument is so flawed, it only bolsters the point against gun laws. If it is that easy to get around laws, and no one abides by themwhat good are they? If you cant get a gun in IL and go to IND, why would you say, IDK go to Mexico and get a gun? Or as Eric Holder to sell you some?
Yep, it's easy to get around gun laws, thats why I want to destroy the guns of the people who break the law. Less guns per person on average in our country will be good. Right now, I believe it averages out to 101 guns per 100 people. Something like that.
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
You can also be guilty of a crime, with no jail time. They have probation and such. The "plan" is extremely flawed.
I answered this above. Needs to be a trial and a conviction.
So your law doesn't work.
How so? How can you get probation without being convicted?
What about the guys who were arrested and jailed for loitering at coffee place?
Your goal getting rid of gun by means of after someone is jailed, but if the criminal doesn't get jailed he doesn't lose his gun even after committing a crime!
If a crime is committed and there's a conviction, by trial, then they lose their guns.
You can say all day that there can be a crime committed without a conviction, or without the police called, or without any resolution or jail time, and I agree.
Forgive me if I believe that people should still have to be proven guilty in court with proof of a crime before their guns are destroyed. I would of thought you all would be happy with this piece.
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
Just curious here. We know Chicago, and Illinois really, have very strict gun laws.
We know some blame all the shootings in Chicago (most of them anyway) on the idea that guns can easily be bought in Indiana, and then taken to Chicago.
So, why doesn't Indiana have as many shootings as Chicago?
By the crime statistics I could find, Illinois has 38 violent crimes per 10,000 citizens.. Indiana has 39.. so they are very close on a state level, Indiana is marginally worse..
But there are many more factors that have an impact beyond access to guns (legal or illegal)
These stats are completely skewed. Because of what is basically a "South-side of Chicago" (Illinois) suburb.
You're right the stats are skewed. If you look at Gary, Indiana, a neighbor city of Chicago, all of their crime rate statistics are above Chicago on a per capita basis. They do not have the strict gun laws that Chicago has.
Just curious here. We know Chicago, and Illinois really, have very strict gun laws.
We know some blame all the shootings in Chicago (most of them anyway) on the idea that guns can easily be bought in Indiana, and then taken to Chicago.
So, why doesn't Indiana have as many shootings as Chicago?
That argument is so flawed, it only bolsters the point against gun laws. If it is that easy to get around laws, and no one abides by themwhat good are they? If you cant get a gun in IL and go to IND, why would you say, IDK go to Mexico and get a gun? Or as Eric Holder to sell you some?
Yep, it's easy to get around gun laws, thats why I want to destroy the guns of the people who break the law. Less guns per person on average in our country will be good. Right now, I believe it averages out to 101 guns per 100 people. Something like that.
101 per 100 people ....That number is correct.
And...The average gun owner has more than 8 guns. Up from 7 during the 70's
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Besides, the idea that Chicago has exceedingly strict gun laws is a false claim: source
It was true 10 years ago, but the courts have undone significant amounts of legislation. People should stop cherry picking facts for an agenda. No one brings up Los Angeles or NYC crime reductions, because they have well rounded gun control legislation, and it doesn't fit the narrative.
Besides, the idea that Chicago has exceedingly strict gun laws is a false claim: source
It was true 10 years ago, but the courts have undone significant amounts of legislation. People should stop cherry picking facts for an agenda. No one brings up Los Angeles or NYC crime reductions, because they have well rounded gun control legislation, and it doesn't fit the narrative.
Exactly, that's why they'll say... "What works in other countries won't work here." So they do nothing at all while more children get shot and killed in our schools. Deplorable.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Besides, the idea that Chicago has exceedingly strict gun laws is a false claim: source
It was true 10 years ago, but the courts have undone significant amounts of legislation. People should stop cherry picking facts for an agenda. No one brings up Los Angeles or NYC crime reductions, because they have well rounded gun control legislation, and it doesn't fit the narrative.
Exactly, that's why they'll say... "What works in other countries won't work here." So they do nothing at all while more children get shot and killed in our schools. Deplorable.
I honestly don't think their views have anything to do with the second ammendment, or their patriotism, or their belief of self-defense against criminals or tyranny.
I believe those reasons they spew in defense of guns is purely a mask for their love of guns. Plain and simple. They love their guns and are obsessed with them. Why else would anyone have over 5 guns? 10 guns? 20 guns? 50?
It's pure obsession. And it blinds them against all reason and logic.
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
How about we keep it simple. If you've ever done jail time, you cannot own a gun. You cannot live in the same dwelling as someone who owns a gun.
If you want to own a gun, don't commit a crime, ever. And I don't care what the crime was. You lost the right to own a gun when you did whatever crime landed your butt in jail.
Judge Leticia Astacio Arrested On Felony Charges After Sister Outs Her
According to court documents, the disgraced judge presented Henrietta Dick's employees with her driver’s license on Apr.2, while she attempted to buy a Maverick 88 12 gauge shotgun, WHEC reported.
Investigators learned that Astacio had actually first attempted to purchase a weapon at another Dick’s location in nearby Greece. She became upset when her request was denied, and told employees at the Greece location that she would simply acquire the shotgun at another store.
The employees alerted their counterpart at the Henrietta location regarding the incident with Astacio.
At approximately 6:30 p.m., Astacio was spotted inside the Henrietta store by an employee, who notified management.
Astacio eventually requested to speak with the store manager at the gun counter, and demanded to know why her attempts to purchase a weapon were being denied.
She was repeatedly told that Dick’s reserved the right to refuse service to anyone at any of their locations, WHEC reported.
According to her court-ordered probation conditions, Astacio is “prohibited from possessing a firearm, dangerous weapon, or noxious substance.”
As news of the thwarted purchase spread, Astacio took to social media, and claimed that the woman who attempted to buy the gun was actually her sister.
“They thought she was me,” Astacio said in the since-deleted Facebook video, according to WHEC.
“I really don’t like guns,” Astacio noted in the video. “Now, it would make sense to me for me to purchase a gun, because these psychopaths threaten me regularly. I get death threats daily.”
However her sister took to Facebook to point out that not only has she never been to Dick's, but unlike Judge Astacio, she has a valid gun permit.
How about we keep it simple. If you've ever done jail time, you cannot own a gun. You cannot live in the same dwelling as someone who owns a gun.
If you want to own a gun, don't commit a crime, ever. And I don't care what the crime was. You lost the right to own a gun when you did whatever crime landed your butt in jail.
Judge Leticia Astacio Arrested On Felony Charges After Sister Outs Her
According to court documents, the disgraced judge presented Henrietta Dick's employees with her driver’s license on Apr.2, while she attempted to buy a Maverick 88 12 gauge shotgun, WHEC reported.
Investigators learned that Astacio had actually first attempted to purchase a weapon at another Dick’s location in nearby Greece. She became upset when her request was denied, and told employees at the Greece location that she would simply acquire the shotgun at another store.
The employees alerted their counterpart at the Henrietta location regarding the incident with Astacio.
At approximately 6:30 p.m., Astacio was spotted inside the Henrietta store by an employee, who notified management.
Astacio eventually requested to speak with the store manager at the gun counter, and demanded to know why her attempts to purchase a weapon were being denied.
She was repeatedly told that Dick’s reserved the right to refuse service to anyone at any of their locations, WHEC reported.
According to her court-ordered probation conditions, Astacio is “prohibited from possessing a firearm, dangerous weapon, or noxious substance.”
As news of the thwarted purchase spread, Astacio took to social media, and claimed that the woman who attempted to buy the gun was actually her sister.
“They thought she was me,” Astacio said in the since-deleted Facebook video, according to WHEC.
“I really don’t like guns,” Astacio noted in the video. “Now, it would make sense to me for me to purchase a gun, because these psychopaths threaten me regularly. I get death threats daily.”
However her sister took to Facebook to point out that not only has she never been to Dick's, but unlike Judge Astacio, she has a valid gun permit.
​
Thanks for some proof that gun control is working in NY. Criminals have a hard time getting guns in NY. New York has the third lowest rate of gun-caused death in America. Gun control is working. But yall still don't want gun control registry nationwide. Pffft.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
How about we keep it simple. If you've ever done jail time, you cannot own a gun. You cannot live in the same dwelling as someone who owns a gun.
If you want to own a gun, don't commit a crime, ever. And I don't care what the crime was. You lost the right to own a gun when you did whatever crime landed your butt in jail.
Judge Leticia Astacio Arrested On Felony Charges After Sister Outs Her
According to court documents, the disgraced judge presented Henrietta Dick's employees with her driver’s license on Apr.2, while she attempted to buy a Maverick 88 12 gauge shotgun, WHEC reported.
Investigators learned that Astacio had actually first attempted to purchase a weapon at another Dick’s location in nearby Greece. She became upset when her request was denied, and told employees at the Greece location that she would simply acquire the shotgun at another store.
The employees alerted their counterpart at the Henrietta location regarding the incident with Astacio.
At approximately 6:30 p.m., Astacio was spotted inside the Henrietta store by an employee, who notified management.
Astacio eventually requested to speak with the store manager at the gun counter, and demanded to know why her attempts to purchase a weapon were being denied.
She was repeatedly told that Dick’s reserved the right to refuse service to anyone at any of their locations, WHEC reported.
According to her court-ordered probation conditions, Astacio is “prohibited from possessing a firearm, dangerous weapon, or noxious substance.”
As news of the thwarted purchase spread, Astacio took to social media, and claimed that the woman who attempted to buy the gun was actually her sister.
“They thought she was me,” Astacio said in the since-deleted Facebook video, according to WHEC.
“I really don’t like guns,” Astacio noted in the video. “Now, it would make sense to me for me to purchase a gun, because these psychopaths threaten me regularly. I get death threats daily.”
However her sister took to Facebook to point out that not only has she never been to Dick's, but unlike Judge Astacio, she has a valid gun permit.
​
Thanks for some proof that gun control is working in NY. Criminals have a hard time getting guns in NY. New York has the third lowest rate of gun-caused death in America. Gun control is working. But yall still don't want gun control registry nationwide. Pffft.
Pretty sure it's the same nationwide, they did a standard background check...give your Drivers license they run it through data base...you either pass or fail. See no new laws or restrictions needed, the system works when used properly.
Just curious here. We know Chicago, and Illinois really, have very strict gun laws.
We know some blame all the shootings in Chicago (most of them anyway) on the idea that guns can easily be bought in Indiana, and then taken to Chicago.
So, why doesn't Indiana have as many shootings as Chicago?
That argument is so flawed, it only bolsters the point against gun laws. If it is that easy to get around laws, and no one abides by themwhat good are they? If you cant get a gun in IL and go to IND, why would you say, IDK go to Mexico and get a gun? Or as Eric Holder to sell you some?
Yep, it's easy to get around gun laws, thats why I want to destroy the guns of the people who break the law. Less guns per person on average in our country will be good. Right now, I believe it averages out to 101 guns per 100 people. Something like that.
ahh yes, destroy the guns, cause its not like you cant just get more.....
Pretty sure it's the same nationwide, they did a standard background check...give your Drivers license they run it through data base...you either pass or fail. See no new laws or restrictions needed, the system works when used properly.
Sorry but you are dead wrong...
Only six states (California, Colorado, Illinois, New York, Oregon and Rhode Island) require universal background checks on all firearm sales at gun shows, including sales by unlicensed dealers. Three more states (Connecticut, Maryland and Pennsylvania) require background checks on all handgun sales made at gun shows.
That's it. I stand by my statement. Gun control works and y'all still don't want universal nationwide registry. Pffft
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Besides, the idea that Chicago has exceedingly strict gun laws is a false claim: source
It was true 10 years ago, but the courts have undone significant amounts of legislation. People should stop cherry picking facts for an agenda. No one brings up Los Angeles or NYC crime reductions, because they have well rounded gun control legislation, and it doesn't fit the narrative.
Exactly, that's why they'll say... "What works in other countries won't work here." So they do nothing at all while more children get shot and killed in our schools. Deplorable.
I honestly don't think their views have anything to do with the second ammendment, or their patriotism, or their belief of self-defense against criminals or tyranny.
I believe those reasons they spew in defense of guns is purely a mask for their love of guns. Plain and simple. They love their guns and are obsessed with them. Why else would anyone have over 5 guns? 10 guns? 20 guns? 50?
It's pure obsession. And it blinds them against all reason and logic.
Once again, you have no idea about this subject. Try hunting Elk with a .22.
You have different weapons for different types of game. A hunter can easily have 5, 6, 7 weapons to use and choose from for different situations.
Now for protection. Well, that depends on what your protecting. Some will keep a shotgun in the house, others a handgun. Some an AR-15. For my house, I have a shotgun, however I am not going to carry around a shotgun at all times, so I have a small firearm that I carry on me outside of the home. However, that firearm can be a little bulky at times, so I have a smaller firearm that I am to comfortably carry on my leg
You also want to know why some people have 10,20,30 guns? Because its our right too. Me, I have 3. I don't need more than that. however, what does someone having 10 guns do to you? how does 1 gun or 10 guns effect your life? Its doesn't.
Just curious here. We know Chicago, and Illinois really, have very strict gun laws.
We know some blame all the shootings in Chicago (most of them anyway) on the idea that guns can easily be bought in Indiana, and then taken to Chicago.
So, why doesn't Indiana have as many shootings as Chicago?
That argument is so flawed, it only bolsters the point against gun laws. If it is that easy to get around laws, and no one abides by themwhat good are they? If you cant get a gun in IL and go to IND, why would you say, IDK go to Mexico and get a gun? Or as Eric Holder to sell you some?
Yep, it's easy to get around gun laws, thats why I want to destroy the guns of the people who break the law. Less guns per person on average in our country will be good. Right now, I believe it averages out to 101 guns per 100 people. Something like that.
ahh yes, destroy the guns, cause its not like you cant just get more.....
Vambo just proved gun control works in NY. Criminals have a hard time buying guns there. They didn't destroy a single piece.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Just curious here. We know Chicago, and Illinois really, have very strict gun laws.
We know some blame all the shootings in Chicago (most of them anyway) on the idea that guns can easily be bought in Indiana, and then taken to Chicago.
So, why doesn't Indiana have as many shootings as Chicago?
That argument is so flawed, it only bolsters the point against gun laws. If it is that easy to get around laws, and no one abides by themwhat good are they? If you cant get a gun in IL and go to IND, why would you say, IDK go to Mexico and get a gun? Or as Eric Holder to sell you some?
Yep, it's easy to get around gun laws, thats why I want to destroy the guns of the people who break the law. Less guns per person on average in our country will be good. Right now, I believe it averages out to 101 guns per 100 people. Something like that.
ahh yes, destroy the guns, cause its not like you cant just get more.....
Vambo just proved gun control works in NY. Criminals have a hard time buying guns there. They didn't destroy a single piece.
ok, so if gun control works in ny why do we need more laws? its working the way it is.
Just curious here. We know Chicago, and Illinois really, have very strict gun laws.
We know some blame all the shootings in Chicago (most of them anyway) on the idea that guns can easily be bought in Indiana, and then taken to Chicago.
So, why doesn't Indiana have as many shootings as Chicago?
That argument is so flawed, it only bolsters the point against gun laws. If it is that easy to get around laws, and no one abides by themwhat good are they? If you cant get a gun in IL and go to IND, why would you say, IDK go to Mexico and get a gun? Or as Eric Holder to sell you some?
Yep, it's easy to get around gun laws, thats why I want to destroy the guns of the people who break the law. Less guns per person on average in our country will be good. Right now, I believe it averages out to 101 guns per 100 people. Something like that.
ahh yes, destroy the guns, cause its not like you cant just get more.....
Vambo just proved gun control works in NY. Criminals have a hard time buying guns there. They didn't destroy a single piece.
He's referring to me because I want to destroy the guns. It's my belief that the more guns we destroy, the guns to people ratio comes down, and our existing gun control laws will work a little better. Also, by destroying guns, it'll make it more difficult for criminals to obtain illegal weapons. They think so short sighted, and don't realize that over a few years, millions of firearms could be destroyed which lessens the access for violent street criminals.
Like Willit's home invasion cronies.
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
Just curious here. We know Chicago, and Illinois really, have very strict gun laws.
We know some blame all the shootings in Chicago (most of them anyway) on the idea that guns can easily be bought in Indiana, and then taken to Chicago.
So, why doesn't Indiana have as many shootings as Chicago?
That argument is so flawed, it only bolsters the point against gun laws. If it is that easy to get around laws, and no one abides by themwhat good are they? If you cant get a gun in IL and go to IND, why would you say, IDK go to Mexico and get a gun? Or as Eric Holder to sell you some?
Yep, it's easy to get around gun laws, thats why I want to destroy the guns of the people who break the law. Less guns per person on average in our country will be good. Right now, I believe it averages out to 101 guns per 100 people. Something like that.
ahh yes, destroy the guns, cause its not like you cant just get more.....
Vambo just proved gun control works in NY. Criminals have a hard time buying guns there. They didn't destroy a single piece.
ok, so if gun control works in ny why do we need more laws? its working the way it is.
Tell that to the kids who keep getting shot.
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
Besides, the idea that Chicago has exceedingly strict gun laws is a false claim: source
It was true 10 years ago, but the courts have undone significant amounts of legislation. People should stop cherry picking facts for an agenda. No one brings up Los Angeles or NYC crime reductions, because they have well rounded gun control legislation, and it doesn't fit the narrative.
Exactly, that's why they'll say... "What works in other countries won't work here." So they do nothing at all while more children get shot and killed in our schools. Deplorable.
I honestly don't think their views have anything to do with the second ammendment, or their patriotism, or their belief of self-defense against criminals or tyranny.
I believe those reasons they spew in defense of guns is purely a mask for their love of guns. Plain and simple. They love their guns and are obsessed with them. Why else would anyone have over 5 guns? 10 guns? 20 guns? 50?
It's pure obsession. And it blinds them against all reason and logic.
Once again, you have no idea about this subject. Try hunting Elk with a .22.
You have different weapons for different types of game. A hunter can easily have 5, 6, 7 weapons to use and choose from for different situations.
Now for protection. Well, that depends on what your protecting. Some will keep a shotgun in the house, others a handgun. Some an AR-15. For my house, I have a shotgun, however I am not going to carry around a shotgun at all times, so I have a small firearm that I carry on me outside of the home. However, that firearm can be a little bulky at times, so I have a smaller firearm that I am to comfortably carry on my leg
You also want to know why some people have 10,20,30 guns? Because its our right too. Me, I have 3. I don't need more than that. however, what does someone having 10 guns do to you? how does 1 gun or 10 guns effect your life? Its doesn't.
Be a real man and hunt with a bow. Or how about a spear. I've never understood hunting. You wait all day and pull the trigger from hundreds of feet away. It's so one-sided. It's not even anything to be proud of. You shot something that didn't even know you were there. Big tough guy. Try killing it with your bare hands and then I'll show you some respect.
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
Just curious here. We know Chicago, and Illinois really, have very strict gun laws.
We know some blame all the shootings in Chicago (most of them anyway) on the idea that guns can easily be bought in Indiana, and then taken to Chicago.
So, why doesn't Indiana have as many shootings as Chicago?
That argument is so flawed, it only bolsters the point against gun laws. If it is that easy to get around laws, and no one abides by themwhat good are they? If you cant get a gun in IL and go to IND, why would you say, IDK go to Mexico and get a gun? Or as Eric Holder to sell you some?
Yep, it's easy to get around gun laws, thats why I want to destroy the guns of the people who break the law. Less guns per person on average in our country will be good. Right now, I believe it averages out to 101 guns per 100 people. Something like that.
ahh yes, destroy the guns, cause its not like you cant just get more.....
It become increasingly difficult to get more when there's less illegal guns on the street to buy, and you're not allowed to buy one from a store. So yes, it is more difficult to get, and will probably cost you more. Supply and demand.
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
Vambo just proved gun control works in NY. Criminals have a hard time buying guns there. They didn't destroy a single piece. [/quote]ok, so if gun control works in ny why do we need more laws? its working the way it is. [/quote]
Tell that to the kids who keep getting shot. [/quote]ahh, so you just admitted gun control does not work...hmmmm, weird.
Yes. Better to be like you. You leave the dirty work for your chicken, beef, pork, etc to farmers that raise animals in pens, where the animals have no chance of being anything but slaughtered.
You're cool. "La la la la - this burger is good. No, the animal couldn't have been killed, I mean, I bought it at the store."
Why don't YOU kill your own meat, with your bare hands?
Besides, the idea that Chicago has exceedingly strict gun laws is a false claim: source
It was true 10 years ago, but the courts have undone significant amounts of legislation. People should stop cherry picking facts for an agenda. No one brings up Los Angeles or NYC crime reductions, because they have well rounded gun control legislation, and it doesn't fit the narrative.
Exactly, that's why they'll say... "What works in other countries won't work here." So they do nothing at all while more children get shot and killed in our schools. Deplorable.
I honestly don't think their views have anything to do with the second ammendment, or their patriotism, or their belief of self-defense against criminals or tyranny.
I believe those reasons they spew in defense of guns is purely a mask for their love of guns. Plain and simple. They love their guns and are obsessed with them. Why else would anyone have over 5 guns? 10 guns? 20 guns? 50?
It's pure obsession. And it blinds them against all reason and logic.
Once again, you have no idea about this subject. Try hunting Elk with a .22.
You have different weapons for different types of game. A hunter can easily have 5, 6, 7 weapons to use and choose from for different situations.
Now for protection. Well, that depends on what your protecting. Some will keep a shotgun in the house, others a handgun. Some an AR-15. For my house, I have a shotgun, however I am not going to carry around a shotgun at all times, so I have a small firearm that I carry on me outside of the home. However, that firearm can be a little bulky at times, so I have a smaller firearm that I am to comfortably carry on my leg
You also want to know why some people have 10,20,30 guns? Because its our right too. Me, I have 3. I don't need more than that. however, what does someone having 10 guns do to you? how does 1 gun or 10 guns effect your life? Its doesn't.
Be a real man and hunt with a bow. Or how about a spear. I've never understood hunting. You wait all day and pull the trigger from hundreds of feet away. It's so one-sided. It's not even anything to be proud of. You shot something that didn't even know you were there. Big tough guy. Try killing it with your bare hands and then I'll show you some respect.
hahaha, I see you typing with a mocha latte venti, a Panera double meat sandwhich, with thick brimmed glasses, wearing an x-files tshirt, big thick black glasses, a knit cap even though its april 26th at 70 out, skinny jeans and thermal, trying to call someone else tough guy
