DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season 2018 NFL Draft Browns select Denzel Ward with the fourth overall pick

Folks,
I was in the Chubb camp with marshmallows! When the Browns did not pick him I was pissed. But when you think about it, Ward is a good press cover DB. Williams uses press cover ALOT. Also, there is this certain WR from Pit that has torched us for the last couple of years. Now we have a guy that can stay will him(*HOPEFULLY*). So when I woke up this morning, I feel good about the Ward pick!

You cant consistently win without a shut down corner.

We got a player that was the best at his position and it was also a BIG need ...

Are we completely sure Sashi Brown was fired????

I think there is some collusion going on.

Podesta would never advice to take a short cover corner this high...

This ones are on Dorsey alone.Leave DePodesta out of this

the average cornerback height in the nfl is 5'11.

we took a guy who's 5'11. i simply dont get the hate dorsey is getting for this pick.

Because you need more than the average height CB to cover the #1 WR...

Why did we cut Haden in the first place then?

Ward was the best CB, but @4 its a crazy pick.

If we were really that high with Mayfield we should had drafted Saquan #1 and Mayfield #4.

Dorsey is a smartass... I think thats it, we will hardly survive another smartass GM.

haden was an all pro, pro bowl corner. his issues was injuries.

if he's the best CB, and we needed a CB, then @4 isnt a crazy pick.

and no, you dont need more than average height to cover because again, we've seen, and will continue to see, average height corners play at an elite level.

Haden couldn't ever cover the #1 WR... He was paid like the #1 CB, but never played like one.

I do not like the Ward pick at #4.

We should have taken Chubb. We got so few sacks last year (Ogbah is average, Garrett should pan out), so we should have taken the best pass rusher, by far, in the draft. We could have gotten a very good corner in the 2nd round.

I'm afraid Dorsey is not long for this job. Now I am beginning to wonder if he is making these picks. Can he be this dumb?

AJ green would state differently.

Haden could never cover Antonio Brown.

He was the only one, If I recall (there was some stats on that). All other 1#WR trashed Haden

Again I don't dislike the player, but he's not Chubb or Saquan level. Or even Vea or Edmunds IMHO.

Haden was also slow

that doesn't mean ward can't.

honestly if height is the only thing you guys are complaining about, then im not worried about ward.

everybody at the end of the season knew we needed secondary help badly. we already had ogbah playing well before the injury, and he's a 2nd round pick.

we needed way more help in the secondary than we did on the line. Dorsey addressed that very position, and now yall can't stop whining about it.

no matter what, browns fans were gonna be in meltdown mode no matter who we drafted.

You don't draft for need in the top 10. That's just stupid.

I am afraid it will take me 5 years to get over the debacle form last night. And please people, do not sugarcoat what happened. Our GM messed up.

Who can?

The best way to cover him is not let Ben throw it to him, by pressuring the QB, which Chubb and Garrett could have done. Now it is back to letting Ben sit back there all day and throw it to Brown and anyone else he wants to.

We also have a 1st round safety that has to play centerfield because our cb are so awful. This is like two picks in one because now peppers may actually be allowed to play, instead of sitting back 50 yards waiting for taylor to give up a 30 yard pass.

@Swish

I think its easy. If Dorsey liked Mayfield, than he should have drafted Saquan 1st.

We would all be good with that.

Saquan + Mayfield, I could live with that. Even Chubb #1 and Mayfield #4

Mayfield + Ward. its just stupid

After last night it’s likely we’ll be picking in the top 3 of the draft again in 5 years. So there’s hope!!
Browns...there’s always next next next next year.

We drafted the best cover corner (with more speed than we have ever had in secondary) and you all whine - please. Get a clue. Having a #1 cover corner makes your pass rush significantly better.

What if our FO had him as BPA? Then you have addressed need and BPA with said pick.

They should't allow us to draft. That's the conclusion.

If our FO had Ward higher than Chubb, then we need a new FO.

You are kidding right? The best in the draft does not mean he is elite.

Comparing Ward to Saquan or Chubb is hilarious.

Drafting for need with the 4th is just stupid.

yeah, how so? the jets were set to draft him - that's why they brough tin darnold last second because they heard the browns were talking Mayfield.

If they took SB, giants either trade out or take darnold, then the jets take Mayfield.

if you guy is there you pick your guy. you don't play games. we can argue on IF HE IS THE GUY, but if the guy you want is there, you take him.

Jets are not that stupid. They traded because they knew they were getting Darnold

Denzel Ward

every report says you wrong.

One inch shorter and only 2 lbs lighter than Joe Haden's Combine numbers.... but, with a 11" longer broad jump than Joe.

So, 1" shorter, same weight, but MUCH more explosive.

Most teams seem to run a vertical/lateral board. In other words, need does play into the equation, no matter how much they protest that it does now. This is never more apparent than when looking at the QBs in this draft.

One could argue that all of the top 10 QBs, maybe with the exception of Rosen at 10, were all "overdrafts", but were taken based on need.

Barkley was not a value at 2.

A Guard at 6? McGlinchey at 9? One could argue that need overshadowed "best available" with all of these picks. (and I love the Nelson pick at 6, but is he the 7th best player/value at that spot? I doubt it.)

I think that one could argue that every pick in the top 10 was a "need".

Mayfield was never a top 5 pick...even top 10 pick..

Only a stupid GM would do this.

And the Giants wouldn't pick Darnold, they had Chubb and Rosen first

Clearly, you don't drink enough.

no, it isn't easy.

and i disagree with you. i like the picks. i rather have ward than chubb. we already have a deep d line.

No it was not... Giants BPA - Jets was BPA - Denver BPA.

Cleveland, Bills and Indy were need picks

giants needed a RB badly to take pressure off of Eli.

jets needed a QB

denver needed to fix the O line to protect keenum.

now im starting to question whether or not you actually paid attention to teams around the league.

We have an elite d line and yet we can't win a single game in a season. Get a grip Swish...

CB need should have been addressed in FA, not in this years draft.

Well, you see, a lot of fans felt the moves we made in the FA market actually addressed the secondary. There were a few of us that tried to explain to them how terrible that secondary was and that the FA moves were only band aids and there was more work to be done. That we needed a big impact guy.

A lot of fans felt that loading up the front seven and ignoring the secondary somehow made sense. So they had their minds made up.

They listen to the so called "draft experts" who aren't good enough to be working in NFL FO's as some guide to what real NFL people think. They get ideas in their heads and look for stats and film to help confirm those thoughts. Often they are manipulating stats and film without even realizing they're doing it I believe.

Then, when it all goes south, it's someone elses fault. They can't see the forest for the trees. They refuse to see that sometimes value meets need. This is one of those times.