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After waking up and into the afternoon of thinking about this pick, I'm even more so on board with this.
Ogbah, Garrett, Larry and our other pressure capable people are hopefully going have that QB hold onto the ball just a little longer and start taking the hits and or making erratic throws.
Chubb was the more talented, but Ward was the more needed. I'm happy with this pick!
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When did you start being so "sensible"!!..LMAO..
Every person picked in the top 10 is based on need!. Yes losing Barkley might look bad, until you look at SEA/Rashad Penny or NE/Sony Michel. And you still got Guice/LSU and N.Chubb/GA on the board!!...SO not picking Barley is not that bad.
Best press DB in college, who is fast and has good technique!.. OK.. I can live with that also.
Mayfield - only time will tell like with all QBs.
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we just drafted the best corner in the draft, and people are upset? Well, you see, a lot of fans felt the moves we made in the FA market actually addressed the secondary. There were a few of us that tried to explain to them how terrible that secondary was and that the FA moves were only band aids and there was more work to be done. That we needed a big impact guy. A lot of fans felt that loading up the front seven and ignoring the secondary somehow made sense. So they had their minds made up. They listen to the so called "draft experts" who aren't good enough to be working in NFL FO's as some guide to what real NFL people think. They get ideas in their heads and look for stats and film to help confirm those thoughts. Often they are manipulating stats and film without even realizing they're doing it I believe. Then, when it all goes south, it's someone elses fault. They can't see the forest for the trees. They refuse to see that sometimes value meets need. This is one of those times. Some fans thought that we should have addressed the secondary problems in FA,not in the draft. Watch the Ohio Oklahoma game and tell me if you can see the 1st and 4th pick playing. I can't.
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Haden could never cover Antonio Brown. No one can cover Antonio Brown.
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we just drafted the best corner in the draft, and people are upset? Well, you see, a lot of fans felt the moves we made in the FA market actually addressed the secondary. There were a few of us that tried to explain to them how terrible that secondary was and that the FA moves were only band aids and there was more work to be done. That we needed a big impact guy. A lot of fans felt that loading up the front seven and ignoring the secondary somehow made sense. So they had their minds made up. They listen to the so called "draft experts" who aren't good enough to be working in NFL FO's as some guide to what real NFL people think. They get ideas in their heads and look for stats and film to help confirm those thoughts. Often they are manipulating stats and film without even realizing they're doing it I believe. Then, when it all goes south, it's someone elses fault. They can't see the forest for the trees. They refuse to see that sometimes value meets need. This is one of those times. Some fans thought that we should have addressed the secondary problems in FA,not in the draft. we did address one side of the secondary, now we addressed the other side. as of right now, problem solved. combined with FA and day one of the draft, we now have a FS, SS, starting CB1, and starting CB2. so why are you so upset?
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every report says you wrong. Mayfield was never a top 5 pick...even top 10 pick.. Only a stupid GM would do this. And the Giants wouldn't pick Darnold, they had Chubb and Rosen first hahahaha ok, dude you are smoking something. many people had Mayfield picked at 1 to us, and the jets at 3, and even the bills trading up to get him at 4 with us. so your just flat out wrong. omg it was literally just 24 hours ago, do you think we all forgot this information and you can just blatantly lie about it? if the giants had chubb first, why did they pick barkely lol.
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Same. A secondary capable of actually preventing a 3rd down conversion will help our existing DLine get us off the field a little more regularly, which should keep them all from being completely gassed a bit longer.
You can't cover long if you can't get pressure, but you can't get pressure if you can't cover long enough to get there.
We have guys that can get there, but we had nobody that could cover worth a damn.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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theres still guys on this board that complained when we drafted joe Thomas over Adrian Peterson - sorry if I don't take some of your complaints with valid
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bro did you see the dumbass trades buffalo did to get josh allen?
and people think we picked the wrong players? lmfao
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We didn't need addressing...
We need difference makers, franchise players, HOFERS with the 1st and 4th.
That's why we are mediocre
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After waking up and into the afternoon of thinking about this pick, I'm even more so on board with this.
Ogbah, Garrett, Larry and our other pressure capable people are hopefully going have that QB hold onto the ball just a little longer and start taking the hits and or making erratic throws.
Chubb was the more talented, but Ward was the more needed. I'm happy with this pick! Drafting for need over talent will keep us a losing franchise.
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theres still guys on this board that complained when we drafted joe Thomas over Adrian Peterson - sorry if I don't take some of your complaints with valid Never saw JT win a game, and watched AP win several...Just saying
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we got two difference makers.
bro honestly i dunno what youre talking about right now. we got a QB of the future and a shut down corner.
if that aint difference makers, then i dunno what is.
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You can't address an entire until in the FA market. Last years secondary was trash. We did address some of it in the secondary. But you don't find shut down CB's on the FA market. You have to draft and develop them.
Great CB's and FS's aren't cheap or easy to find. They are as valuable as any other position in the NFL other than QB.
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bro did you see the dumbass trades buffalo did to get josh allen?
and people think we picked the wrong players? lmfao yeah I was flabbergasted, but hey, if he balls out it don't matter. that's what no one gets, don't matter where a guy is drafted if he pans out its a good pick. I think we could have waited to get ward, but heck he was there, hes who we wanted, so we got him. you don't mess around and try to get cute, when you do that - you get guys like phil taylor and alex mack instead of Julio jones.
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Drafting for need over talent will keep us a losing franchise. That would mean you're assuming that Chubb will be greater talent than Ward. That's not a given.
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Waited until what? If he's your guy sack up and get him.
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theres still guys on this board that complained when we drafted joe Thomas over Adrian Peterson - sorry if I don't take some of your complaints with valid Never saw JT win a game, and watched AP win several...Just saying hahaha ok, bud - your now officially labeled as the most ridiculous poster on this board. yep, joe was not worth 3rd pick, just literally the greatest player we ever had on this team behind only jim brown. go spit.
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right!
people the entire season and off season were whining about always trading down and missing out on the cream of the crop players.
we finally dont trade down, and people cant stop being upset.
finally got a GM that did what we all wanted, and people still not cant be happy.
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right!
people the entire season and off season were whining about always trading down and missing out on the cream of the crop players.
we finally dont trade down, and people cant stop being upset.
finally got a GM that did what we all wanted, and people still not cant be happy. they neer will be, dude literally just said joe Thomas was a bad pick. lol
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Waited until what? If he's your guy sack up and get him. oh I agree, that's my point, they MAY have been able to wait, but if hes your guy and hes there you take him. if not, you get phil taylor and corey coleman.
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right!
people the entire season and off season were whining about always trading down and missing out on the cream of the crop players.
we finally dont trade down, and people cant stop being upset.
finally got a GM that did what we all wanted, and people still not cant be happy. We have a GM that passed on all of the top end talent. Darnold/Rosen/Barkley/Chubb. Two picks in the top 4 and none of these players to show for it. We have a project QB and a decent but undersized CB.
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"It's not who you pick or where you pick. It's how they play."
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Most teams seem to run a vertical/lateral board. In other words, need does play into the equation, no matter how much they protest that it does now. This is never more apparent than when looking at the QBs in this draft.
One could argue that all of the top 10 QBs, maybe with the exception of Rosen at 10, were all "overdrafts", but were taken based on need.
Barkley was not a value at 2.
A Guard at 6? McGlinchey at 9? One could argue that need overshadowed "best available" with all of these picks. (and I love the Nelson pick at 6, but is he the 7th best player/value at that spot? I doubt it.)
I think that one could argue that every pick in the top 10 was a "need". No it was not... Giants BPA - Jets was BPA - Denver BPA. Cleveland, Bills and Indy were need picks Is a RB really a #2 overall value? Most in the NFL, historically, would beg to differ with you. At 3, going strictly by player value, and upside, Chubb is almost certainly a higher value pick than Darnold. The fact that he is a QB bumps Darnold above his"standard" ranking for a team in need of a QB. Would the Rams, or Packers, have taken Darnold, or Chubb, if they had the #3 overall pick? Need enters into almost every QB pick throughout the past 20 years. I do think that Denver took the BPA, and best value, available. The rest can all be debated.
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right!
people the entire season and off season were whining about always trading down and missing out on the cream of the crop players.
we finally dont trade down, and people cant stop being upset.
finally got a GM that did what we all wanted, and people still not cant be happy. We have a GM that passed on all of the top end talent. Darnold/Rosen/Barkley/Chubb. Two picks in the top 4 and none of these players to show for it. We have a project QB and a decent but undersized CB. Ward is the #1 corner in on the board, I would say that makes him top end. you don't know what any of these guys are going to do until they get on the field. plain and simple. You guys were elated when we drafted Quinn, Richardson, mingo, wimbley, etc. then they get on the field and........... hindsight is 20/20, but our foresight as a team AND AS FANS is bifocals. Lets see this one play out before some of you start making fools of yourselves.
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right!
people the entire season and off season were whining about always trading down and missing out on the cream of the crop players.
we finally dont trade down, and people cant stop being upset.
finally got a GM that did what we all wanted, and people still not cant be happy. Not to mention, Swish those are the same guys that complain we never draft Buckeyes, and wanted hoyer to stay cause he was a "hometown" kid. lol
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and now we got a hometown kid, and its nothing but meltdowns.
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Ya ... drafting SITUATIONAL PASS RUSHERS at 4 is so much smarter ...  ...
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Strong pick. A good secondary is as good as a good pass rusher, in my book. Ward is an excellent player and we need more excellent players. Ohio State DB's are known to be excellent pros.
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and now we got a hometown kid, and its nothing but meltdowns. lol, I don't get it. did we just become best friends? 
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After waking up and into the afternoon of thinking about this pick, I'm even more so on board with this.
Ogbah, Garrett, Larry and our other pressure capable people are hopefully going have that QB hold onto the ball just a little longer and start taking the hits and or making erratic throws.
Chubb was the more talented, but Ward was the more needed. I'm happy with this pick! Drafting for need over talent will keep us a losing franchise. I agree but disagree, drafting wrong players with your picks keeps you a losing franchise. Taking need over talent until a base is formed is our reality of years and years of bad drafting.
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Ya ... drafting SITUATIONAL PASS RUSHERS at 4 is so much smarter ... ... Chubb is anything but a situational pass rusher. He is a 3 down player, who can play in almost any conceivable "situation". I don't think we would have gone wrong with either player at 4. I have to say, I was shocked at how far Fitz fell.
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Ya ... drafting SITUATIONAL PASS RUSHERS at 4 is so much smarter ... ... Chubb is anything but a "situational pass rusher". He is stout against the run, much better than Garrett.
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He is stout against the run, much better than Garrett. 
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Only cause its U ... ive explained this a bunch of times ... i’ll do it one last time for U .. We have MG and Ogbah at DE right now ... one has the potential to be a STUD and the other has played pretty damm well ... So if we draft Chubb we have 3 of them ... That means on EVERY PLAY one of them (MG, Chubb or Ogbah) would be SITTING ON THE BENCH or PLAYING OUT OF POSITION ... Thats what i mean by “situational pass rusher” .. its a lot quicker than explaining it every time ...  Ward (or Fitz) will PLAY EVERY DOWN and FORCE NO ONE OUT OF POSITION ... I also believe the best way to IMPROVE a secondary AS BAD as ours was is to actually bring in BETTER SECONDARY PLAYERS ... We need good secondary players way more than we need another “pass rusher” ... Now that we have Ward ... i’d Like to still get one of the two CB’s at 35 after taking Guice at 33 ... but with Ward in the mix ... i’d be OK with Landry here also ... its a much different pick than Chubb at 4 would have been for two reasons ...
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Ya ... drafting SITUATIONAL PASS RUSHERS at 4 is so much smarter ... ... Chubb is anything but a "situational pass rusher". He is stout against the run, much better than Garrett. Chubb > Jackson Ward > ? Find a better combination...you can't.
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Only cause its U ... ive explained this a bunch of times ... i’ll do it one last time for U .. We have MG and Ogbah at DE right now ... one has the potential to be a STUD and the other has played pretty damm well ... So if we draft Chubb we have 3 of them ... That means on EVERY PLAY one of them (MG, Chubb or Ogbah) would be SITTING ON THE BENCH or PLAYING OUT OF POSITION ... Thats what i mean by “situational pass rusher” .. its a lot quicker than explaining it every time ... Ward (or Fitz) will PLAY EVERY DOWN and FORCE NO ONE OUT OF POSITION ... I also believe the best way to IMPROVE a secondary AS BAD as ours was is to actually bring in BETTER SECONDARY PLAYERS ... We need good secondary players way more than we need another “pass rusher” ... Now that we have Ward ... i’d Like to still get one of the two CB’s at 35 after taking Guice at 33 ... but with Ward in the mix ... i’d be OK with Landry here also ... its a much different pick than Chubb at 4 would have been for two reasons ... Good grief...another CB
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Only cause its U ... ive explained this a bunch of times ... i’ll do it one last time for U .. We have MG and Ogbah at DE right now ... one has the potential to be a STUD and the other has played pretty damm well ... So if we draft Chubb we have 3 of them ... That means on EVERY PLAY one of them (MG, Chubb or Ogbah) would be SITTING ON THE BENCH or PLAYING OUT OF POSITION ... Thats what i mean by “situational pass rusher” .. its a lot quicker than explaining it every time ... Ward (or Fitz) will PLAY EVERY DOWN and FORCE NO ONE OUT OF POSITION ... I also believe the best way to IMPROVE a secondary AS BAD as ours was is to actually bring in BETTER SECONDARY PLAYERS ... We need good secondary players way more than we need another “pass rusher” ... Now that we have Ward ... i’d Like to still get one of the two CB’s at 35 after taking Guice at 33 ... but with Ward in the mix ... i’d be OK with Landry here also ... its a much different pick than Chubb at 4 would have been for two reasons ... The Eagles were successful on defense in no small part due to their ability to send waves of pass rushers against opposing teams, and keep everyone fresh. We could have had a nice start to this kind of system if we had taken Chubb.
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Ya ... drafting SITUATIONAL PASS RUSHERS at 4 is so much smarter ... ... Chubb is anything but a "situational pass rusher". He is stout against the run, much better than Garrett. Chubb > Jackson Ward > ? Find a better combination...you can't. I cant????? .. and i thought u knew me bro .... ... I’m missing something that i’m guessing is fairly obvious ... actually ... i may just need clarification ... U said Chubb > Jackson .... whose Jackson ... the CB were taking in rnd 2 .... So u want me to tell u who i would couple with Ward to make it a better combo than if we took Chubb/Jackson ... Is that correct?
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Ya ... drafting SITUATIONAL PASS RUSHERS at 4 is so much smarter ... ... Chubb is anything but a "situational pass rusher". He is stout against the run, much better than Garrett. Chubb > Jackson Ward > ? Find a better combination...you can't. I cant????? .. and i thought u knew me bro .... ... I’m missing something that i’m guessing is fairly obvious ... actually ... i may just need clarification ... U said Chubb > Jackson .... whose Jackson ... the CB were taking in rnd 2 .... So u want me to tell u who i would couple with Ward to make it a better combo than if we took Chubb/Jackson ... Is that correct? Thats correct.
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