DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season 2018 NFL Draft Baker Mayfield Continued

People complaining about Baker's antics alongside the Pied Piper reference randomly made me think about a different nursery rhyme:

"Rub a dub dub,

Three fools in a tub,

And who do you think they be?

The butcher (Gregg, bounty scandal or Hue for his W-L record), the baker (self-explanatory),
The candlestick maker (I picture Gordon lighting a blunt).

Turn them out, knaves all three."

I see most of the Baker hating as equally frivolous.

He's done some stupid stuff, but lots of great players have.

I thought it was feeling a bit chilly in my particular version of hell this morning.

I give the BM pick a B+.He has all the tools and intangibles. The knock on him is his height. If he was 2" taller he would have been everyones #1. He may have some growing up to do but most guys at that age do. He is a leader, is driven to succeed and is a blue collar type worker. All top end traits. We give him weapons, which we already have, and tailor our O for him, which I'm sure Todd Haley will, and we may have quite a QB for a long time. JMO

15 years? My guess is not. He’d be 38. Most QBs don’t play till 38. Especially undersized non pocket passing QBs.

I know you hated this pick my Portland brother. But, if he wins us just one championship it will be worth it. Who knows if that will happen, but my inclination is just to see if all those football guys (not Harvard/analytics...true Football dudes) in that war room who put together the Packer and the Chiefs + Hue/Haley & Zampese were correct in their evals. Lets hope so and until proven otherwise we have to assume so.

PS: (just trying to be the glass is half full guy when I thought it was going to be Darnold all along).

If he wins I’ll come around. Until then he’s got a lot to prove to get me to change my mind.
FYI I like, don’t love, his game. Like. I HATE his antics. His cocky attitude and the way he acts a fool. That I’ll always dislike. Even if we win.
That said. Win.

I like his passion for the game. All the silly crotch grabbing, taunting, flag planting etc. I can do without. But, I can also see how the passion and drive to compete and win can take over. I think enough people have talked to him and it has become a big enough issue that we shouldn't worry too much. Will he be cocky and talk? Probably. But, I think a lot of other players do too as do the fans! The passion in football is still very tribal. We even saw it last night with the Day 2 pick announcers. All it took was one person to say something about their team (Giants), and then Nate Burleson out did them all with his chest bumping so everybody following him had to continue with their own "swagger".

What I hope is that he isn't a frat house football "bro" that Manziel was and goes off the deep end with an entitled, cocky, obnoxious, spoiled attitude and millions in his bank account. I don't think he will, but I am hopeful he wont.

I was actually more disgusted with Rosen's post draft interview and SO glad we didn't take him. Going to AZ is perfect for his style of play. What a total douche to be so dismissive, entitled and obnoxious after being drafted in the top 10. Hey Rosen...there is a reason why teams passed on you!

At this point...I am happier with the Mayfield pick than bringing somebody like Rosen to gritty, blue collar Cleveland (assuming all those guys in our FO got it right, it works out and we're not set back 5 more years!).

That really was a jackwagon move on Rosen's part. He acted like somebody "owed" him to be a top 3 pick.

And I thought college football was about fun, passion, crazyness and doing stupid things while your young...

I am still not a fan of the Mayfield pick. Hopefully he proves me completely wrong.

I like the rest of the board thus far.

As far as Mayfield's "antics" ...... I'll be OK with it if he beats the Steelers 3 or 4 times in a row, and flips them off after every win .....

Yuck. Beat the Steelers. Beat them again. Act each time like you’ve done it before. To me it’s far more insulting than flipping them off. Flipping them off is bush league. It shows no class. It says more about the person using the finger than it does about the recipient of said finger. And what it says isn’t good.
If Baker flips anyone off I hope he gets heavily fined, and benched by the coach. How embarrassing.

The Browns always think to draft unconventionally ... it hasn't worked yet, but not for the lack of constancy.

We set out to get our Drew Brees starting with Colt McCoy, and the list goes on.

j/c

Let's just hope everyone can figure out the difference between swagger and stupidity.

Agreed. Especially Mayfield, but in their defense if they had selected Darnold the situation would have been the same. You can't miss on a #1 overall QB or it sets you back years.

This would be Manziels 4th year, IIRC, Can the Browns give Mayfield 4 years so we can see he actually is a good quarterback.

Can they give him 2 years per win?

Johnny has a stronger arm imo...Baker was not asked to make a lot of horizontal throws, most of their offence is vertical routes. Horizontal passing is where you separate those with an average arm, with those with strong arms.

Well there are a lot of factors that will determine that. I think so. While I have mentioned and do consider it a concern about some of his actions, I also think there's a very strong possibility that won't be a problem.

He doesn't have the issues Manziel had. From all reports he is a very hard worker. From all reports he is a good team mate and a good leader.

When someone has his level of talent and works hard, they will improve and grow. Those are traits we didn't see with Manziel. Actually the only thing I see the two of them having in common is their height. And I don't believe that's really an obstacle.

If Mayfield continues the trajectory he has shown to this point, I see no reason to believe that he won't be a good QB and will be given every opportunity to succeed here.

Agreed. If we had taken SD we would all be asking the same questions. No one knows how any of these QB's will do it's all a matter of conjecture. Baker seems to have the best attitude and work ethic. Let's hope that translates to a winner!!

I can't find a link for it, but supposedly Todd Bowles, the Jets head coach, admitted that they had Baker Mayfield ranked ahead of Sam Darnold.



https://twitter.com/clevezirm/status/990239077139124225

this further cements the fact that people need to stop going with whatever media head is ranking these guys, because the media ranks and the actual team ranks tend to be differen things.

I agree. Some of the talking heads thought Lamar Jackson was a first round talent. I think Baltimore will regret that pick in the 1st. He has a chance to be good, but I don't see it.

It'll be rough if the Ravens don't find him some better pass catchers.

https://www.facebook.com/BehindBakerSeries/videos/647435275599290/

Not sure if everyone has seen this yet...pretty cool

i just watched that ... man, his room is messy!

I like this pick. Or should say cautiously optimistic. If he straightens up this could be a huge home run.

I don't know what he'll be. I would not have taken him in the 1st, though.

I think that he has talent, but he needs a lot of molding and shaping. It is going to take an enormous amount of work to make him an NFL QB. The kid should have hired an experienced agent. While he was right in that rookie contracts are easy in today's NFL, there are always clauses throughout that it takes an experienced eye to see.

Also, an agent could have helped steer his combine/pre-draft agenda. I also think that while he is not a dumb kid, he would have done well to have had some work on his speech. He needs to be understood as a QB, and I think some speech coaching would help him, and is something he could have got out of the way before the draft. He also could have been hooked up with a "QB Guru" to help work on his weaknesses as a QB.

I think that it was a huge mistake not hiring an agent, and I think it cost him in his draft position.

Keebler is now a Cleveland Brown. I didn't agree with the pick but it is what it is... now we all have to hope he can overcome the odds and take us to the promised land. It's their ass if he doesn't. They wanted to bet their careers on Keebler so they must believe in him. We just have to hope they know what they are doing and if they don't and he busts then they will pay the price by losing their jobs and reputations...

In the meantime, I plan on rooting for Keebler. Him succeeding means the Browns succeed. THAT is ALL that I care about.

I agree. He scored a 13 on the Wonderlic test so... He's a big-time athlete but as a QB? I'm not sold. Unless you plan on running a straight up college system with no playbook and just let him run run run... Tebow was a great athlete and he couldn't make it.

Then lose the stupid ass nicknames and stop acting like a 12 year old. My God.

Drew Brees is 39 signed a 1 year extension, yesterday. NO?

He checks all the boxes Spirit but one, and he has never shown signs of it being an issue.

At the end of the day all the QB's had warts in one form or another his is his height, beyond that he is a stud I can easily support the pick. At the end of the day I think they picked the best guy, will see.

I had a feeling when they brought in Taylor that BM was the pick, sure enough he was.

I truly wished we had taken Chubb at 4 I still struggle with the Ward pick far more then the BM pick.

I think what bothers people is they didn't follow our board they followed theirs.

How many Drew Brees’ are there?
I’m just saying odds are against him.

Like I said, the pick was made and we took Keebler. I really hope he beats the odds, comes in and makes us all proud. He is a Brown now. I'm too damned old to go through another bust. This team needs to get it together just once before I kick! All I want is ONE. So I am hoping and praying to the football gods he does win us one. We shall see.

The Keebler nick doesn't mean I hate the kid or hope he fails. I thought it was cute. He's a BAKER after all. And of course the team "logo" is an elf as well. Seemed fitting. Some people need to chill the hell out.

They are. We just have to hope he beats the odds. He has before... He beat the odds more than once in college. Walk on, etc. The pick was already made. He IS our future QB. This season it is almost certainly Tyrods job to lose. But he's only here for one year. So next year Keeb WILL be our starting QB. No reason not to cheer for him and keep our fingers and toes crossed he once again beats the odds. I am FAR more concerned with them taking another meathead in the 4th. Guys like that can be cancers in the locker room and this team is far too young to have TWO meatheads on the team.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-browns

Not trying to start an argument Spiritbro...i know the draft media narrative around Lamar has hammered home the idea that he's a run around guy in a gimmick offense....but that simply isn't true. Neither here nor there...not even sure why Lamar is still being discussed but misinformation just bugs me.

Louisville passing game has more pro-concpets then OU.

We might view it differently if we hadn't already gone through the Johnny debacle. With the swans in the swimming pools and the Vegas trips... Fair or not he needs to keep a low profile because Johnny football already did the acting a fool on social media crap here in Cleveland.