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See, I’d rather my players go out and win championships, not talk about how they’re ‘going to’ win championships. I don’t like mouthy, cocky players. Never have, never will. Be a professional. Act like a professional. If he wins championships then he can talk it up. As long he’s not acting like an arse or being disrespectful to the opponent.
Right now if he says anything it’s lip service. We’ve heard a bunch of guys over the years tell us they’re going to ‘put in the hard work’ or ‘wreck the league’ or whatever. Shut up and produce.

It's funny how folks who wanted a football guy are not totally digging that we have a football guy.

Mayfield would have been the pick by Sashi as well. Depo is still around. He liked Baker.


Just goes to show there are a lot of ways to arrive at the right guy. Or at least the guy you think is right.

This draft had 3-4 guys who play QB at the top. It's little wonder that 25% of the folks are happy and 75% are upset. It was bound to happen no matter which was drafted.


I was a Mayfield guy, so I feel good about things. I do understand that some don't.


In the end, I think all of them can be good. It will just depend on the situation.


I have zero confidence in Hue with QB's.. I do in Haley.


I think we can make this work as long as Hue takes a backseat.

Mayfield was the only pick for #1 in my opinion.

“Its the reasons, he's too cocky, he's a punk, he's a midget, etc. etc. not a one based on logic or an ounce of truth. ”

Um, there’s film of him flipping people off on the field, grabbing his crotch, running from police... So to say it’s not based on logic or truth is being blind and/or willfully ignorant. He has maturity issues. Period. No hyperbole. No false truths. Facts. Filmed facts.
To some of us it’s comcerning. Personally I think the cockiness crap sucks. He better produce before he starts with it as a pro.

Hue Jackson on @nflnetwork just now continuing to cement Tyrod Taylor as the starter: “We probably played some guys too early (the last 2 years). I want to make sure Baker is ready when he goes out there. I owe him that. We owe him that as our first-round draft pick.”

https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/990337228407746560

That's exactly the point. Nobody knows if it will be a problem in the future. I don't believe anyone can say with any certainty whether it will be or won't be.

But for people to claim it hasn't been an issue and blatantly ignore it as if none of it ever happened is just silly. As I said before, a player doesn't go from a caterpillar to a butterfly on draft day. The things he has done in college will certainly cause penalties and suspensions if such incidents continue in the pros.

I'm not saying these type of things will continue in the NFL, but if I'm am opposing player, I'm giving him crap from the very first snap to get under his skin.

I don't understand the Baker bashing for off the field stuff.

Does he embrace the grind?

Does he have a substance abuse problem?

No.

He's not Manziel.

As far personality goes...i like his personality there is an edge to him that i appreciate and think is necessary to be the best.

When you look at the tape you see a guy that produces, he's efficient, accurate and can make adlib/second reaction plays.

He does face a transition from OUs offense to an NFL offense but other spread QBs have made the transition plus Baker will be given time to make the transition.

Baker is now a Cleveland Brown so lets get behind him. My choice was Darnold but I am now a Mayfield fan. If we would have drafted Rosen, then I would have been a Rosen fan. I personally hope Baker doesn't see the field this year because that would mean Tyrod is winning. Turning the Browns into a winner is all I care about no matter who our QB is. This team has lacked leadership for a long time. Maybe we have found some.

Haters need to suck it up, Baker Mayfield is the new face of the franchise, period. Unless he's a bust, he's the face for many years to come.

Go win. I may never like his attitude or antics but if he wins I embarrassingly tolerate them.
Until he wins... I’ll have a serious distaste for him. That’s different from wishing for him to fail. I’ll never wish for that.

Just for clarification.

Does it make you a hater if you point out facts about his behavior, how it could impact him as an NFL player and have concerns about that? Or don't facts matter?

That's really the only problem I see here. People expect everyone to pretend they're blind and that these incidents are within the bounds of normalcy. They're not. They will cause penalties and suspensions in the NFL if they continue.

Does simply stating what he's done and having concerns about that moving forward qualify as making you a hater?

Baker sees all the hate in social media and is growing that chip. Dude is gonna ball when he starts.

No, not at all. Talking about concerns is different from calling him names because he's not the guy you wanted. I wanted him from the jump, but was open to Darnold, Rosen, and Allen; although I would have not liked the Allen pick one iota.

I love the pick but I still have concerns. Any pick can bust. I just think he was the best choice available and I think his numbers prove it.

Much like you, I don't have a problem with the pick. Every one of them had some question marks. It's just when people make general statements like that I sometimes look for clarification.

Beyond Mayfield, who until the last 48 hours I thought we would pass on, I didn't guess we would take any of these guys. I can't believe we passed on Chubb at #4, but I think Ward would have been gone before #10.

The second rounders were all shocks to me, especially the OT, but I'm still happy to have them. Dorsey owns this draft. He has plenty of experience, so after 3 years he will have no excuse if none of these players are on the team. Until then, GO BROWNS! And GO DORSEY!

I'm not really surprised by the #4 pick at all. I knew we needed an impact CB and FS. I believe players are ranked in groups. Not individually. I believe that Ward would be in that group.

Already think he is better, can minicamps just start, I hope the Browns environment can get this thing to work out this time.
Do things the Right way, bring him along the right way, that means Tyrod has to be the man until,

Well To be the man you've got to beat the man, Ric Flair would say.

Thin-skinned, usually wrong, a poster who says he knows QBs and OL, one who has admitted to being so much of a homer he only criticizes them after they're cut/traded etc.

I am beginning to think the Mayfield pick came down to attitude and what type of team Dorsey wanted. Not necessarily who the "best" QB was, especially after seeing who Dorsey drafted on day 3.
Darnold brings a more corporate image while Baker comes across as a rebel. Dorsey wants us to play with a big chip on our shoulders and Baker provides that. Now if the locker room can get on board, we should be vastly improved by the end of 2018. Still wish we took Bradley Chubb at #4.

Leading up to the draft it seemed like more people had issues with Mayfield's character issues than Rosen's.

I really liked how Mayfield owned the "crotch grab" situation and the "flag plant" situation after they occurred. He seemed genuine and like he just got caught up in the heat of the moment.

(Would you guys really be mad if he is planting a Browns flag in the middle heinz field?)

I saw Rosen play last year. He was great. I wanted him at #1 or #4 around 3 or 4 months ago.

Once I started seeing interviews / stories come out about him, it was quite clear he didn't want to be here. It was also quite clear that he had a bit of an elitist mentality. I think he thinks that because he is "smarter" and has "interests outside of sports" that he is better than other football players.

He also has this aloof demeanor that I don't think translates well to the NFL. He had great numbers in college but he wasn't exactly clutch. I think he will have a Jay Cutler type of career.

“(Would you guys really be mad if he is planting a Browns flag in the middle heinz field?)“

Yes. And deeply embarrassed. And I’d hope Baker would get deeply fined and reprimanded by the league and the team.
The best insult to your opponent is to act as if they don’t exist. To act like your victories over them are expected. When you flip off someone, or plant a flag, or grab a crotch, it says far more about you than it does about them. What it says isn’t good.

Yep. Treat them like the Steelers treat us. Beat them regularly and then tell the press you liked how they battled, all while acting like we are the bye-week-lite game.

Planting a flag in Heinz Field is at least possible, since it's natural turf.

Plant a Browns flag, on a urine towel, in the middle of heinz field!

Honestly, I'd be impressed with his ingenuity. Where would this Browns flag come from?

Unfortunately, it is much more likely that he'd wear a Browns flag as a cape and get himself planted in the middle of Heinz field during a game. *Actually probably closer to being pinned inside the 20.

I like Baker and think he can see success here, but this flag planting talk is silly.

I would be more impressed if it took him two hands to do the crotch grab

So I've been doing a decent bit more research on Baker and have come across a few good stories. I feel like they've given me a more well rounded perspective on him. While some of his actions are regrettable, I'm coming around on his overall personality.

Here's a good article that will provide further insight into his (im)maturity:

The Kid and the Heisman-How embracing his inner child motivates Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield

And here is one that gives insight on the Oklahoma offense and his playstyle:

Baker Mayfield-Lincoln Riley-Oklahoma offense, draft, audibles, protections

I was pretty down on Baker at the beginning of the process, but he has grown on me.

Yes, there's a Baker Mayfield thread, but I thought these articles deserved a thread of their own and let's try to keep it focused on the good (AKA I've heard enough about "red flags" for a bit).

Good luck with that

I believe Baker has a chance to be special. We have a coach in Todd Haley that will demand the best from him and the other players on O. We have good O coaches to teach him and from what I've heard Baker wants to learn and is willing to work hard. Good combination.

Thanks for the articles... if you haven't read the story about him and a young lady with cancer it's a tear jerker... short version was he befriended a girl with cancer who unfortunate,ly passed away... he ended up speaking at her funeral and is still in contact with her family...

I will admit the more i've read about baker the man I've been impressed... I still have concerns about baker the QB... but praying he can sit and learn for a ton least a year and then set the league on fire...

And that's the thing. He's a genuinely good kid. A guy you can't help but like and root for. He has the fire and the passion you want on your team.

The only real question is can he keep his emotions in check when the adrenaline starts flowing. So far that's a question mark. We'll have to wait and see.

I don’t like him or his attitude much. I’m forced now to root for him. And I will when he hits the field.
I hope he can keep his antics in check or it’ll be another topic of laughter the talking heads can use against the Browns. As if they need more fuel for their fire.