DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season 2018 NFL Draft So.. Draft is over and UDFA's are here.. whats the grade for Dorsey?

...Tyrod has infinitely more wins than our starting QB from last season.

On paper our O is much better.

I think he and Hue were directing the real players comment at our CBs, and that's why McCourty got butthurt and isn't here any more.

With the drafting of Callaway, and the signing of Harrison, Meander, and Thompson, it appears to me that Dorsey is taking the Al Davis approach to team building. TTaylor, and Landry offer balance as they are both high character players. Looking around the rest of the team, we have Bitonio, Garrett, Schobert, Kirksey, and others who are solid citizens. If they put an emphasis on following the example of those guys, and mess up once and you're gone, we could end up with some very talented players with little capital investment.

That is my opinion as well, especially as Haley is now the prime mover behind the O, not Hue...

I think that Dorsey is looking to do what he did in KC with Tyrek Hill ... the comparisons are glaring. The issues/history with Callaway seem to be bigger and more challenging to overcome ... High reward, relatively low risk imo. The issue is making sure it doesn't negatively impact the team if he turns out to be a rotten egg.

I'm willing to bet that Indy would have been more than happy to trade #6 and #37 for #1.

They would have looked brilliant getting 2 extra second rounders and trading up to #1 with nothing out of their own pocket.

They also would have had their choice between Barkley, Chubb, and Nelson.

We could have got Mayfield at 4, Ward at 6, and Courtland Sutton at #37.

Hindsight is 20/20....

Jets may have taken Mayfield.. Do you want to take the risk?

B+

We are stronger, I agree, and hope we can get this group to mesh on offense. Just stopping the giveaways AND catching more balls would help us to some wins. We have some theoretical upside and a whole bunch to prove. Time for "show and tell" ON the field. Tired of excuses, snappy explanations, and splashy interviews. Do it on the field.

On paper, stronger and we flushed some problems. Dorsey got a few QB's.

Progress. Get more.

“Time for "show and tell" ON the field. Tired of excuses, snappy explanations, and splashy interviews. Do it on the field. ”

No doubt. It’s where I find myself. I’m done watching interviews. Player or coach. I’ve heard what they have to say...I’ve heard it from every player and FO for 19 years. Just produce. Anything they have to say, to me, is inconsequential until what I see on the field resembles football.

Is it me or does it seem like the FO actually made an effort to draft questionable character guys? from Calloway to Willies? I mean, wtf.

I think they took talent with good character with the higher rounds, and then they took flyers on talent that slipped for various reason with the lesser picks. Those were all picks that on a normal, decent, team would be struggling to make the roster coming out of camp.... here, we usually call them Starters, however. Some will clean up their act and stick, some will flame out. Law of Averages.

As I stated before, Dorsey is taking the Al Davis approach to team building. He's giving them a chance at redemption, but if he's smart (and I think he is), it's only 1 chance.

I know people in the Sports world ..media and fans grade a draft... I can not grade it.. It's like grading an exam that hasn't been taken... No real results to grade.

I will say I do like the players chosen... It's hard for me to read all the opinions. The FO should of picked him at this spot and he's not worth that pick...That player isn't worth being picked because he isn't as perfect and holy as thy...

I'll trust the people behind the scenes who studied and met with the players on a personal level...character issues can be handled by them also. One thing I know is this is a world full of imperfect people...and I for one will not judge a person because they did something wrong..

I do question the integrity of those who make such a big deal over others who have made mistakes... Lots of people make mistakes... some don't get caught..some look worse because they are in the public eye... some sit back and judge and yet do the same thing.

I hope to see some good football from this team this season...That really is all that matters at this point...complaining criticizing and being negative in no way makes the off season any where near enjoyable...

Can't wait till the home opener... I really hope it starts off with the Browns beating the Steelers... Man the good stuff I look forward to..so I can enjoy the season...

Great read dawg ... thanks for that ...

Theres going to be a lot of really good stuff this year weather we beat Pitt or not ... we were a QB away from being a 4 - 6 win with last years talent and all the injuries ... were a much better team with the additions of Landry, Hyde, TT, Ward, Chubb alone .... then u throw in all the secondary depth ... hopefully Randall can fill the bill at FS ... Janis is a real good special teamed and possibly a #3 reciever ....

Were gonna be MUCH IMPROVED and as a bonus were going to win some games ... no more grasping defeat from the jaws of victory ... NONE OF THAT CRAP OR STUFF LIKE IT ..

Its gonna be a FUN YEAR DAWG ...

Thanks again for th post ...

I think if Joe had decided to come back this year that we would easily be the 2nd best team in the AFC North.

Who knows, maybe Shaun Coleman, Colvett, or someone else might surprise.


I think the loss of Joe can be sustained. At least better than when Mack got hurt that season we were 7-4 and then lost 5 in a row thereafter

I love Joe, and he is a no doubt HOF'er.


I think the game has evolve at the QB position that you don't need a Joe Thomas to win games.

I guess our record and the record of other teams proves that.


We had the best LT in the game and won maybe 30 games during his career.


That isn't a knock on Joe at all. We wasted his career.

I am just saying you don't need to have the best to win championships. We had the best and didn't do that. Other teams who didn't have the best, did.

Joe set the Bar, ... I agree that we must temper our expectations somewhat on whomever earns the chance to replace him.

There where 31 other teams that never had JT for even a snap.

Agreed. We'll see how it goes I guess, but I think we can survive with a serviceable tackle if need be.


IMO, the year that Alex Mack went down, and we really had no one to replace him was the worst thing we faced. The Brian Hoyer starting year.

I had no idea how important Alex Mack was until there was no depth on the O-Line behind him and the middle kept getting blown up. It was a total disaster.



Spencer Drango last year looked overmatched, but I don't think it was as bad.

Losing Joe Thomas sucks. I was trying to draw attention to this before FA (saying I didn't think Joe would come back), but I've come to terms with it. We'll scheme correctly. Work to get this O-Line to gel, and I think we'll survive.

And, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Shaun Coleman or Aust Colvett surprises.

Agree with you guys. We might have to settle for average LT play, which wouldn't be that bad.

You don't replace a Joe Thomas. And yeah ballpeen, it's a shame we wasted a hall of fame career that is JT's.

If Shaun Coleman turns into a decent LT , I will not be surprised ....... I will be SHOCKED !

lol, well everyone's decent is different.

But, I mean, I think he's athletic enough to play the position.

In that sense, how can it be worse than his play on the right side (which I thought progressed throughout the season)

For some reason I felt the need to look it up:

48-120 (I think it was the 8th game this year he was injured). A massive 28.6% winning percentage. 10-6 his rookie year and on average, 4-12 since...

I would say that the clearer takeaway is that you need more than just a Left Tackle.

It takes a good TEAM, no matter who you have. No one player wins a championship in this sport.

That said, not having at least a solid LT ABSOLUTELY puts you at a disadvantage and it is going to make life a lot harder for you, just as having trash at QB, WR, RB, and the defense in general is going to make life hard and render having one of the greatest LT's of all time completely moot.

Well, we beat Tim Couch & Kelly Holcomb to a pulp, so we're constantly looking for replacements.

tbd

The one thing that got us all. Why don't we draft players from The Ohio State University?

We can't say that anymore, now we embrace one of our own. Funny how that works out, I truly believe Ohioans are the best.

Wasn't going to contribute but just heard a tape of Dorsey on NFL Radio stating how they had a plan and executed it which came across as something that was difficult and he was proud he was able to pull it off.

How difficult IS IT, with the 1st and 4th selections of some 255 players to be selected, can you imply it was a tough position to be in? Seriously? I agree my post-draft impression agrees with yours. I think he got too fancy - if he selected the speedy/skinny Ward to try and shut down A Brown twice a year and maybe to check off the Ohio State box, he's a dope. I was against filling a need at the TOP of the draft and he did that IMO, twice! I'll give him one but not two need picks there. Second round #1 pick of a OLineman with no position? How do you not get a bonafide starter there?

Anyway, Dorsey sounded confident that he did a wonderful job executing a grand plan but it shouldn't be tough at the top of the draft for 2 rounds. Good luck to the new Browns, I hope 3 of you can find a way to start and play well.

That's ironic because the 2 picks you hate could likely be the ones that determine the final grade on this draft..

A lot of the other picks are much safer picks and should play consistent with where they were drafted...

If Mayfield becomes a franchise guy, and if Callaway keeps it clean and plays to his late first/early second round grade then this draft is off the charts.

I think that Mayfield, Ward, Chubb, and Corbett should become starters. I think that Mayfield will be a good QB. I just question whether or not he'll be the best QB from this draft. Ward will start for us, and I see a future Pro Bowler there. Chubb will start for us at some point, as long as he stays healthy. Corbett will start for us, either at T or G ..... but I don't think he starts this year unless it's at LT. Nonetheless, there are 4 guys here who could all start next year, if not before.

Chad Thomas, Avery, and Ratley should contribute situationally, and/or on special teams. I like Avery and Thomas as rotational/situational pass rushers. Ratley is big and fast. (6'2", 196#, and ran a 4.39 40) He is interesting as both a receiver, and as a special teams ace.

I don't know about Simeon Thomas. I don't see how he fits in Williams's defense. He also has character concerns. Ditto for Callaway. Obviously he has talent to be a long term starter, but man, the character issues are really bad.

I am definitely not a fan of either of these last 2. Hopefully they straighten their lives out.

After listening to Simeon Thomas in his latest interview I think that he has no delusions of being one of our starting CBs' this season.
He understands that he must stand out in ST play.

I see him as a gunner, with his 35 inch arms and his speed to go with his 6'3 & 3/4"s, he should present a challenge that they probably don't face very often, if ever.

You can't grade Dorsey on the success of his draft and roster moves until they play a couple of seasons.
I will give Dorsey an A on effort. He has not sat on his hands or made excuses for the upcoming season. Dorsey has raised the bar for this team with his expectations. I like his positive approach and his win now attitude.

Dorsey was dealt one heck of a hand to play for starters. # of draft picks and $$$$ !

Probably the best deck you could be dealt in terms of capital. So, expectations should be high for him.

Let's just hope he uses this capital to successfully build a solid, competitive team.

I think the moves he made before the draft, made this team competitive. If these picks pan out, it could really turn this thing around.

Quite honestly, there's one pick that truly matters when it comes to long term success and turning it around. ALl the other ones would just be icing on the cake.

It was (has been) Pretty much a prerequisite, yes.