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Problem is that this is what we have tried before...
Being smart asses...
Tank for Tua... we already got Hue so it must be easy...
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Baker sees all the hate in social media and is growing that chip. Dude is gonna ball when he starts. I agree with you & am excited to have him as our QB.
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I guess I've never personally seen anything about Mayfield and hotdogging it together in type. I've only really read that he works hard, applies himself and is smart. But if it helps fill some unreal belief that the kid is all play and no business you just go ahead with it.
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Baker sees all the hate in social media and is growing that chip. Dude is gonna ball when he starts. I agree with you & am excited to have him as our QB. Don't get the logic... He's the one responsible for the social media hate in the first place.. Shows that he is not that smart to star with, if he needs that kind of motivation, specially considering that he is coming to a 1-31 team... Only way I'm gonna believe in him is if Haley vouches or the guy.
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Actually I think TT will be good for Mayfield. He has a lot of time in the league and has a slightly above .500 record in the NFL. I'm pretty happy they signed Taylor rather than an older QB with diminishing skills.
Let's face it, Mayfield has an average arm and average escapability. I believe he is more accurate than TT, but otherwise I see them as very similar QB's. By everyone elses analysis, he has an above-average arm. Some would call it strong. He was listed pretty high on the velocity test at the combine too.
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One thing we can certainly count on. Every player on every one of our opponents teams will be messing with him. They'll be taunting him and trying to get into his head. We'll quickly find out how well he handles it. Considering we lack veteran leadership, I don't think this whole affair is going to end up well... It never did for the Browns... KWII, Manziel, Gordon.... I disagree - the kid has been a leader on every team he's played on. His motivation is to win. He's gritty and determined (imo) and unquestionably football smart and I think he will be fully aware of what helps the team and what hurts the team .... I fully expect a different style of leadership from him in the NFL than in college. Especially if he sits for a little bit ... he needs to be clearly the better NFL QB for him to be the starter, I am all for having him sit. Yes, its actually very normal for players not wanting to win... gimme a break.. He hasn't won anything is his career. AJ, DW and Tua were the winners. He is an undersized, pocket big mouth QB, he will be next on the Browns QB list. From Nick Foles, Kap, Rosen and Darnold, to name only a few we picked Mayfield... only the Browns What have Rosen and Darnold won? He's just as much a winner as them. A 3 year starting winner.
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Actually I think TT will be good for Mayfield. He has a lot of time in the league and has a slightly above .500 record in the NFL. I'm pretty happy they signed Taylor rather than an older QB with diminishing skills.
Let's face it, Mayfield has an average arm and average escapability. I believe he is more accurate than TT, but otherwise I see them as very similar QB's. By everyone elses analysis, he has an above-average arm. Some would call it strong. He was listed pretty high on the velocity test at the combine too. Don't argue with the next GM of...ummmm.....errrrr....of the....oh screw it.
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Bone I agree with most of your posts and especially your last one. I wanted Darnold but am now in on Baker. Give him solid coaching, which we have with Haley and Zampese, and weapons which I feel we also have, if they can stay on the field, and we will be pleasantly surprised. I have faith in John Dorsey and his staff that they did the right things and will continue to do so. Big problem though, Baker says he already "knows" the NFL game, you didn't know that? http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/...-transition-nflIn Mayfield's first appearance with his new team, the former Oklahoma quarterback discussed his leadership and said the transition from the Sooners' Air Raid offense to the NFL won't be too difficult. " The game of football is the same," Mayfield said. "It's just a matter of terminology, language and how they teach it, so you're not going to find one guy who is reinventing the wheel." - Baker Mayfield See, Football at the college level is exactly the same as it is at the pro level except terminology, thats what Baker says. I can see it already, Baker and Haley are NOT going to get along. Haley is known for being abrasive, he won't tolerate Baker hotdogging it, doing whatever he wants. Everything else we have tried has failed, so maybe this works out for once. I hope it does, but im not holding my breath. I have heard so many rookie QB's say the same thing over the years. What's he supposed to say? Man the transition is going to be hard, and hopefully it works out?
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Rosen and Darnold don't go around calling themselves winners... That's the main difference.
When you call yourself a winner, better have won something...
Deshaun was a winner and almost nobody here liked him, including Dorsey who drafted Mahomes
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I’d like to clarify my position on Baker. For future reference. I know I’ve been on him since he was drafted. But you’ll also note I’ve not trashed his game. Nor have I trashed him for his size. Baker, the player, has a chance. I think he played in a conference that doesn’t value D very much. I think he’s got a BIG transition to make from the O he played at OU. I wish he was 3” taller and 25-30 pounds heavier. All that said...
Baker has a chance. He’s got ‘enough’ arm. He’s smart with the ball. He’s accurate (especially when guys are wide open like in the conference he played in.) I do believe he’s a hard worker and wants to be good. (But so did Kiser.)
I hope Baker doesn’t see the field this year. He needs a chance to refine his game. Our O needs a chance to gel so that when Baker does get his chance everything else is in sync. That’s his best chance.
So for me what it comes down to is his antics. Not his attitude. They’re different. Have moxy. Play with passion. Just act like an adult. Knock it off with the running around arms swinging, crotch grabbing, finger flipping, profanity yelling, flag planting... He does this and I’ll come around...if he’s also winning. If he wins and acts like a 8th grader when school lets out for the summer every time he scores a TD, I’ll never be his fan. I’ll root and cheer for wins, but be endlessly embarrassed by the child we have playing QB.
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Baker sees all the hate in social media and is growing that chip. Dude is gonna ball when he starts. I agree with you & am excited to have him as our QB. Don't get the logic... He's the one responsible for the social media hate in the first place.. Shows that he is not that smart to star with, if he needs that kind of motivation, specially considering that he is coming to a 1-31 team... Only way I'm gonna believe in him is if Haley vouches or the guy. Or how about if he wins? Will that be enough for you? He may fail, but if he does, I don't think it'll be from lack of effort.
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Bone I agree with most of your posts and especially your last one. I wanted Darnold but am now in on Baker. Give him solid coaching, which we have with Haley and Zampese, and weapons which I feel we also have, if they can stay on the field, and we will be pleasantly surprised. I have faith in John Dorsey and his staff that they did the right things and will continue to do so. Big problem though, Baker says he already "knows" the NFL game, you didn't know that? http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/...-transition-nflIn Mayfield's first appearance with his new team, the former Oklahoma quarterback discussed his leadership and said the transition from the Sooners' Air Raid offense to the NFL won't be too difficult. " The game of football is the same," Mayfield said. "It's just a matter of terminology, language and how they teach it, so you're not going to find one guy who is reinventing the wheel." - Baker Mayfield See, Football at the college level is exactly the same as it is at the pro level except terminology, thats what Baker says. I can see it already, Baker and Haley are NOT going to get along. Haley is known for being abrasive, he won't tolerate Baker hotdogging it, doing whatever he wants. Everything else we have tried has failed, so maybe this works out for once. I hope it does, but im not holding my breath. I have heard so many rookie QB's say the same thing over the years. What's he supposed to say? Man the transition is going to be hard, and hopefully it works out? Rookie QB's saying the transition would be easy? I don't remember any...
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I’d like to clarify my position on Baker. For future reference. I know I’ve been on him since he was drafted. But you’ll also note I’ve not trashed his game. Nor have I trashed him for his size. Baker, the player, has a chance. I think he played in a conference that doesn’t value D very much. I think he’s got a BIG transition to make from the O he played at OU. I wish he was 3” taller. All that said...
Baker has a chance. He’s got ‘enough’ arm. He’s smart with the ball. I do believe he’s a hard worker and wants to be good. (But so did Kiser.)
I hope Baker doesn’t see the field this year. He needs a chance to refine his game. Our O needs a chance to gel so that when Baker does get his chance everything else is in sync. That’s his best chance.
So for me what I comes down to is his antics. Not his attitude. They’re different. Have moxy. Play with passion. Just act like an adult. Knock it off with the running around arms swinging, crotch grabbing, finger flipping, profanity yelling, flag planting... He does this and I’ll come around...if he’s also winning. If he wins and acts like a 8th grader when school lets out for the summer every time he scores a TD, I’ll never be his fan. I’ll root and cheer for wins, but be endlessly embarrassed by the child we have playing QB. I just don't think we need to worry about this. If I was a gambling man, I'd bet big that he'll control himself. Oh wait, I am a big gambling man. lol
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Bone I agree with most of your posts and especially your last one. I wanted Darnold but am now in on Baker. Give him solid coaching, which we have with Haley and Zampese, and weapons which I feel we also have, if they can stay on the field, and we will be pleasantly surprised. I have faith in John Dorsey and his staff that they did the right things and will continue to do so. Big problem though, Baker says he already "knows" the NFL game, you didn't know that? http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/...-transition-nflIn Mayfield's first appearance with his new team, the former Oklahoma quarterback discussed his leadership and said the transition from the Sooners' Air Raid offense to the NFL won't be too difficult. " The game of football is the same," Mayfield said. "It's just a matter of terminology, language and how they teach it, so you're not going to find one guy who is reinventing the wheel." - Baker Mayfield See, Football at the college level is exactly the same as it is at the pro level except terminology, thats what Baker says. I can see it already, Baker and Haley are NOT going to get along. Haley is known for being abrasive, he won't tolerate Baker hotdogging it, doing whatever he wants. Everything else we have tried has failed, so maybe this works out for once. I hope it does, but im not holding my breath. I have heard so many rookie QB's say the same thing over the years. What's he supposed to say? Man the transition is going to be hard, and hopefully it works out? Rookie QB's saying the transition would be easy? I don't remember any... That's because you don't want to. It fits your narrative to hate the kid.
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I’d like to clarify my position on Baker. For future reference. I know I’ve been on him since he was drafted. But you’ll also note I’ve not trashed his game. Nor have I trashed him for his size. Baker, the player, has a chance. I think he played in a conference that doesn’t value D very much. I think he’s got a BIG transition to make from the O he played at OU. I wish he was 3” taller. All that said...
Baker has a chance. He’s got ‘enough’ arm. He’s smart with the ball. I do believe he’s a hard worker and wants to be good. (But so did Kiser.)
I hope Baker doesn’t see the field this year. He needs a chance to refine his game. Our O needs a chance to gel so that when Baker does get his chance everything else is in sync. That’s his best chance.
So for me what I comes down to is his antics. Not his attitude. They’re different. Have moxy. Play with passion. Just act like an adult. Knock it off with the running around arms swinging, crotch grabbing, finger flipping, profanity yelling, flag planting... He does this and I’ll come around...if he’s also winning. If he wins and acts like a 8th grader when school lets out for the summer every time he scores a TD, I’ll never be his fan. I’ll root and cheer for wins, but be endlessly embarrassed by the child we have playing QB. I just don't think we need to worry about this. If I was a gambling man, I'd bet big that he'll control himself. Oh wait, I am a big gambling man. lol You must be because he’s never ever in his career ever shown anything but what his reputation has shown him to be. So if he stops all this it’ll be the first time he’s ever not done the things he’s always done. Odds are deeply against you.
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I’d like to clarify my position on Baker. For future reference. I know I’ve been on him since he was drafted. But you’ll also note I’ve not trashed his game. Nor have I trashed him for his size. Baker, the player, has a chance. I think he played in a conference that doesn’t value D very much. I think he’s got a BIG transition to make from the O he played at OU. I wish he was 3” taller. All that said...
Baker has a chance. He’s got ‘enough’ arm. He’s smart with the ball. I do believe he’s a hard worker and wants to be good. (But so did Kiser.)
I hope Baker doesn’t see the field this year. He needs a chance to refine his game. Our O needs a chance to gel so that when Baker does get his chance everything else is in sync. That’s his best chance.
So for me what I comes down to is his antics. Not his attitude. They’re different. Have moxy. Play with passion. Just act like an adult. Knock it off with the running around arms swinging, crotch grabbing, finger flipping, profanity yelling, flag planting... He does this and I’ll come around...if he’s also winning. If he wins and acts like a 8th grader when school lets out for the summer every time he scores a TD, I’ll never be his fan. I’ll root and cheer for wins, but be endlessly embarrassed by the child we have playing QB. I just don't think we need to worry about this. If I was a gambling man, I'd bet big that he'll control himself. Oh wait, I am a big gambling man. lol You must be because he’s never ever in his career ever shown anything but what his reputation has shown him to be. So if he stops all this it’ll be the first time he’s ever not done the things he’s always done. Odds are deeply against you. So how often did he do the things you don't like about him? How often did he grab himself? How often did he give the middle finger to others? How often did he plant the flag on the 50? How often did beam another player with a football? How often did he get too drunk on his 21st birthday? You're taking 5 inconsequential incidents and making it a deal-breaking rap sheet for him. How many games did he get suspended for in college? Surely with this horrid behavior the kid must've been suspended. How often was he penalized? Yeah I'm not worried about his antics. This is a ridiculous conversation to have. He did not appear on live tv making the stupid money symbol ok guys.
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Hilarious that I was a Darnold guy and now I have to sit here and defend Mayfield because the only thing people are upset about is that he made obscene gestures in college.
What happened to the people that said they just didn't want Allen and we'd be ok?
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The NFL isn't the NCAA. Ignoring bad behavior isn't going to happen in the pros. By my count he started three years and there were five incidents that gained enough media coverage that we know about.
Now I'm not saying it will be a problem moving forward. But pretending it hasn't been an issue to this point is not having a firm grasp of the obvious.
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He's going to have to control his temper in the NFL or he could cost us a game or get himself suspended.
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The running around on the field swinging his arms like a 4th grader after a TD throw... stuff like this happened weekly. Look, I don’t like TD dances either. Njoku spiking the ball between his legs while jumping...during a loss...embarrassing, I don’t like excessive celebration. It’s foolish looking. Call me old school but I like my players to act like pros. Does Big Ben, Brady..etc act like a four year old? No. Why? Because they expect to throw TD’s. They expect to win. Because they’re pros.
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Hilarious that I was a Darnold guy and now I have to sit here and defend Mayfield because the only thing people are upset about is that he made obscene gestures in college.
What happened to the people that said they just didn't want Allen and we'd be ok? Because Mayfield @ #1 is too much. If we had drafted Saquan and take Mayfield @4 because Darnold was not there, I would understand. I understand not drafting Rosen because Haslam would never have a liberal QB.
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So #1 is to high to draft a QB, but #4 isn't?
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It's in your post above, talking about Manziel wannabes. Then again, for you that is kind  
Do you even know what that means. Manziel Wannabees is those posters who wish to somehow create a similarity between these two especially in character. I think I chose my words sound.
Thanks for the double standards. Thin-skinned, usually wrong, a poster who says he knows QBs and OL, one who has admitted to being so much of a homer he only criticizes them after they're cut/traded etc.
I don't claim anything, I just post football. Do I know football? yes, I even know about WRs, RBs and Defense. So what. I don't understand your insults and why that is necessary for you. thin skinned, no just human. Who here likes to be insulted?
Portland, I didn't say he was squeaky clean in his actions.
But I don't see it correlating to PUNK and the other adjectives. He received a lot more than he dished out.
Oh and penalties, I saw the opposition garnishing the penalties not him. Some of you just wish to make negatives where they are not. Yes, those things happened. Big deal, I think not.
You guys talk a lot but again I don't see any proof of the extent you claim. Just where is it that he is even close to a punk...just what does punk mean to you all?
So I got to take crap cause I like Mayfield and that I studied him oh well since September. And some of you look at sensational big time hits on you tube stuff and you think you know the kid. So do I sound condescending about this kid, yep do I know more about this kid - Yep. So what am I to do. Let you state things that I know are totally different as FACTS. Nope. But if I do its taken personally and I'm being mean and whatever. It doesn't give you all the right to insult me funny cause that's what you are claiming I do. But I'm again a homer my opinion doesn't count according you. Don't criticize until after they are gone...hmmm guess you didn't read me last year as I criticized Kizer. But yeah you are correct I should just leave the board, don't post anymore unless it is what you wish me to post. Yeah otay
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I'm with you... I'm not sure why people want to continue to bash the kid and make up stuff about his character when they don't even know him. "He has an average arm." "He needs to control his emotions." Heck, half the people I've talked to (or read) already label him a bust!  This place is just funny. Had we drafted Darnold we'd be talking about how he's going to turn the ball over more than Kizer. You guys... I get the skepticism, but there are some really poor takes in here....
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Bone I agree with most of your posts and especially your last one. I wanted Darnold but am now in on Baker. Give him solid coaching, which we have with Haley and Zampese, and weapons which I feel we also have, if they can stay on the field, and we will be pleasantly surprised. I have faith in John Dorsey and his staff that they did the right things and will continue to do so. Big problem though, Baker says he already "knows" the NFL game, you didn't know that? http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/...-transition-nflIn Mayfield's first appearance with his new team, the former Oklahoma quarterback discussed his leadership and said the transition from the Sooners' Air Raid offense to the NFL won't be too difficult. " The game of football is the same," Mayfield said. "It's just a matter of terminology, language and how they teach it, so you're not going to find one guy who is reinventing the wheel." - Baker Mayfield See, Football at the college level is exactly the same as it is at the pro level except terminology, thats what Baker says. I can see it already, Baker and Haley are NOT going to get along. Haley is known for being abrasive, he won't tolerate Baker hotdogging it, doing whatever he wants. Everything else we have tried has failed, so maybe this works out for once. I hope it does, but im not holding my breath. I have heard so many rookie QB's say the same thing over the years. What's he supposed to say? Man the transition is going to be hard, and hopefully it works out? Rookie QB's saying the transition would be easy? I don't remember any... That's because you don't want to. It fits your narrative to hate the kid. You were the one saying there were plenty rookie QB's saying that... I just don't recall any because this is something stupid to say. You see most of the rookies say they want to be signed early and start camp because play books are big, and it takes time to even understand the basics of the Offense. Now comes a kid and says its easy... and you say its a normal thing to do, which it isn't. I honestly don't remember ever a rookie QB saying that, but you can post some links or name examples if you do...
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in the very first post on this thread you mentioned that if anyone questions the Mayfield pick, you take it personally. That is thin-skinned, isn't it?
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If we had drafted Saquan and take Mayfield @4 because Darnold was not there, I would understand. Mayfield most likely doesn't get to 4. So if you wanted him you had to take him at #1.
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So #1 is to high to draft a QB, but #4 isn't? No I think it’s more about who we got at #1 instead. It was widely thought there were 4 top talents in this draft...Darnold, Barkley, Rosen, Chubb. We had 2 of the top 4 picks. We landed none of those four players. Maybe we win the draft? Maybe Dorsey is the genius? It’s just going against a LOT of other top brass’ opinions.
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I'm with you... I'm not sure why people want to continue to bash the kid and make up stuff about his character when they don't even know him. "He has an average arm." "He needs to control his emotions." Heck, half the people I've talked to ((or read) already label him a bust! This place is just funny. Had we drafted Darnold we'd be talking about how he's going to turn the ball over more than Kizer. You guys... I get the skepticism, but there are some really poor takes in here.... You don't have to be a genius to consider that ALL QB's we could sign, had the high probability of being a bust. We are a 1-31 team, after all, so it will require a good QB and some luck to turn that around. That's why risking on the QB selection is a STUPID move. On an already divided fan base, to increase the division is STUPID. JUST TAKE DARNOLD, no matter if you think Mayfield is the savior. Or at least take Saquan first, so at least you have a good excuse. 1-31 team, with OL problems, one weapon in Gordon that is 1 suspension away from ending his career, no leadership in the locker room and you go and draft a short pocket QB with personality issues... You are asking for the fight on this one...
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Or, if you're our braintrust, you take the QB you believe in the most, and not the QB you think other people believe in the most.
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Or, if you're our braintrust, you take the QB you believe in the most, and not the QB you think other people believe in the most. That's what took us here in the first place. Just saying... Smart asses that went against the consensus...
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I have no idea if they're right or wrong with the Mayfield pick. But there's no doubt you summed things up nicely.
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If we had drafted Saquan and take Mayfield @4 because Darnold was not there, I would understand. Mayfield most likely doesn't get to 4. So if you wanted him you had to take him at #1. My best guess is that if we went Barkley or Darnold, then the Giants would of taken the guy we didn't. Then the Jets, in my mind, were definitely going to go Mayfield. Everything I've seen seems to point to him being their guy.
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I am with ya Homewood.
Often when I read this Board it gets very frustrating.
It seems like no matter what is done many just take it as a given: that it is wrong.
And that is before anything is proven one way or the other.
Baker? Let's see what happens.
Ward over Chubb. Read what Williams said. They have their reasons. It's not like no thought was given to that decision.
Callaway? Blount, Mason, Brantley the list goes on, and on. Guys like this are going to get a chance. Fourth round, first round talent, worth the risk.
My dream was Darnold and Barkley. But hey, I am over it.
We have our team.
All the Hue haters, and now all the anti- Dorsey group can pound salt.
And really I have news for them; they are just Board jockeys. If they knew a fraction of what goes into the data, film study, and the level of experience we now have in this front office group; they would sing another tune.
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If we had drafted Saquan and take Mayfield @4 because Darnold was not there, I would understand. Mayfield most likely doesn't get to 4. So if you wanted him you had to take him at #1. My best guess is that if we went Barkley or Darnold, then the Giants would of taken the guy we didn't. Then the Jets, in my mind, were definitely going to go Mayfield. Everything I've seen seems to point to him being their guy. Jets traded because they knew we were taking Mayfield. Darnold wouldn't never be there at 6, Mayfield would. Giants would have taken Chubb, they are sticking with Eli.
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“Portland, I didn't say he was squeaky clean in his actions.
But I don't see it correlating to PUNK and the other adjectives. “
I’ve never called him a punk. I’ve never called him anything other than referring to him as immature. Which to this point he has been.
Make sure you’re reading my posts correctly. I’m not trashing the kid. I don’t like his antics. My hope is he can change. My bigger hope is he wins...as a pro...and acts like a pro while doing it.
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The NFL isn't the NCAA. Ignoring bad behavior isn't going to happen in the pros. By my count he started three years and there were five incidents that gained enough media coverage that we know about.
Now I'm not saying it will be a problem moving forward. But pretending it hasn't been an issue to this point is not having a firm grasp of the obvious.
As you said this is the NFL not NCAA.
Question: was he suspended in anything he did? was he flagged for anything that he did.
Did the opposition get flagged for what they did? I can answer that, YES.
So tell me just what is he doing that upsets you so outside of your boy Rosen not being considered. I get it you were very clear he was not your guy.. He is one of the most football intelligent QBs to come along. What makes you think he will break the NFL rules or code of conduct when he did not with the NCAA? But you all talking about he's going to cost us GAMES cause of his antics...man talking about making up FAIRY TALES! You already have him losing games by getting flagged when he just doesn't have a history of being flagged. He stays within the parameters...actually his actions got the opponents to go outside the parameters and get flagged. But to you he is going to cost us games when he didn't in the NCAA...right I forgot NFL is not NCAA so if he does the same things he will get flagged....what makes you think he will when he knows there will be consequences. Do you understand my dismay here.
And then there is our FO/Coaching staffs. They took these kids apart like no other. This is probably their most important pick they will make. Do you really think they would have done this with a PUNK! We aren't talking about a 4th round pick or a 7th that they take a chance on a gifted player that they Vet. We are talking about the overall #1.
Well have at it. Insult me some more. Cause its ok to do so. Forgive me for being a HOMER like that is some evil thing.
My football is pure but all you got is I don't criticize till they have left.
Shelton I criticized him before coming here.
Erving I criticized him before coming here.
While they are Browns I try to look at the positives mostly cause there are so so many who look to accentuate the negatives. When I came to the board, I criticized (2001) I made a post GROUNDHOG DAY which has been copied by some writers but I was the first. Pretty much tearing apart our draft.
But I soon to find out that is more demoralizing then not and we are fans. I wanted us to be positive as a group maybe good Karma would fall our way. So in Lieu of being RIGHT I decided from that day forward to be mostly positive. I really didn't see any positive from Kizer which is why I criticized and I thought too many might believe he had a shot at being a franchise QB. Which he wasn't.
But I was the first to point out positives that were backed by real football for guys like: Gipson, Skrine, Kirksey, Schwartz, Lava, Cameron...but I'm a worthless Homer who only shoots down guys after they leave. Did I shoot any of those except for Cameron cause of injuries?
So here I have to defend the attacks on myself like its some sabotage of a thread.  well done.
NOTE: Pit, personal attacks were not from you. I read those posts prior to yours and clicked on yours so apologies for putting you in that regard.
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Jets traded because they knew we were taking Mayfield. Darnold wouldn't never be there at 6, Mayfield would. How in the world would they know that??? The majority of our own front office didn't know Mayfield was the pick until the day before the draft. They made that trade a month ago when the consensus was that Darnold and Rosen would go 1-2 with an outside chance of Barkley going in one of those spots. There's no way they make that trade THAT early unless there were 3 QBs that they were happy with. And then as the month progressed, things seemed to sour on Rosen. I'm pretty sure they would of preferred Mayfield over him for multiple reasons.
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