Once again laughing at your own ‘jokes’ and not addressing my concerns. How original for you Diam. Maybe your not able too address actual concerns in the football forum just as your unable two address them in the political forum.... Lol .... .... get bent.
Once again laughing at your own ‘jokes’ and not addressing my concerns. How original for you Diam. Maybe your not able too address actual concerns in the football forum just as your unable two address them in the political forum.... Lol .... .... get bent.
you pointed out he shouldn't laugh at his own joke.....just ot laugh at your own joke
Here's one thing I keep thinking about: Sure, Mayfield was the best choice right now. He killed Darnold on the whiteboard, has the statistics, etc.
But, will Darnold be as good (or better) when he's 23? I mean, he's only 20
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
I'm hoping it was whiteboard work that swayed him during that personal meeting. I'm hoping that Mayfield blew them away with his whiteboard skills while Darnold did not. We did hear prior to the draft that Darnold was less than impressive at the whiteboard.
Maybe during those personal meetings, it was determined that Mayfield had more going on between the ears.
Just speculation on what we heard prior to the draft.
I agree with the assumption about the whiteboard work. My problem is with 3 years of NFL coaching Darnold can likely be just as good as Baker on the white board. And Darnold will then also finally be 23 years old. Like Baker is today. The difference is Darnold will also still be 6’3” and 230#. And Baker can never be that. Not in 3 years. Not ever. There’s two things that can’t be coached up, size and speed. Darnold has size. Baker has neither.
I agree. It’s also what I said before Diam came in with his banter...not addressing the actual post.
Here's one thing I keep thinking about: Sure, Mayfield was the best choice right now. He killed Darnold on the whiteboard, has the statistics, etc.
But, will Darnold be as good (or better) when he's 23? I mean, he's only 20
Well, while that seems like a good question, can anyone really know the future? Personally I've seen too many players drafted based on what "they might be in the future".
That's an unknown quantity that may or may not ever reach fruition. Give me the guy who has made the most of his opportunity in the time he's been given. Maybe's aren't something I'm willing to gamble on.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Here's one thing I keep thinking about: Sure, Mayfield was the best choice right now. He killed Darnold on the whiteboard, has the statistics, etc.
But, will Darnold be as good (or better) when he's 23? I mean, he's only 20
And that's the million dollar question. But if the FO thinks he would, they would have drafted him. So I would say they believe Darnold will never be as good as Mayfield. Based on our pick.
So, Baker Mayfield has his life, marketing and his own branding already pretty sorted out. He knows that his name and his brand are marketable, and he is a kid who grew up in the digital age. Therefore, he has already been making these short documentaries about his travels to get to the NFL, which include the combine and draft day. Episode 9, titled "Send The Playbook", focuses entirely on Draft Day and Dorsey's #1 selection/phone call. Oh, and while you are there you can buy your own "BM" stamped water bottle (Capitalism, baby).
Found myself actually watching these and enjoying them. Everyone should watch the last episode. Was really cool to see him get that call from Dorsey and you could tell how much it meant to him. Of our best first round draft picks of the last decade or so, Joe Thomas stayed home with his family (or fished rather), Miles Garrett stayed home as well, and Joe Haden was overcome with emotion. So, good foreshadowing anyway.
The other takeaway from that last episode ... His agent said, "Worst case scenario is that we go #3." I think they knew the Jets wanted him, and it sort of confirms what we were saying that if the Browns didn't take him at #1, he wasn't going to last till #4.
Just curious bone .... we were both Darnold guys ... but u often say that were not privy to the meetings and they are important ... if what there saying is true about the meetings ... and that’s IF ...
IF Baker blew away everyone on the white board and Sam was OK ...
How much weight would u put on that and could it have possibly changed your mind? ...
Darnold was the guy for a lot of folks in that room heading into the combines. The competitive nature of Baker waas really big for this regime, Darnold not wanting to go head to head with the other big 5 QBs imho made a difference. A chance to show your stuff against the best of the best is an attitude these guys were looking for. A lot of folks coming into the combines thought Baker had the weakest arm of the group and after the combines folks are saying he really has a much stronger arm than we thought.
I also believe the interviews showed the browns that Baker is the right guy for this 1-31 losing mentality situation and it might just be to much for the 20 year old QB.
X n O's could have been a big part but honestly, I think it was just they loved the film on both guys but Baker seems to embrace the underdog role. He has that chip on his shoulder that noone is respecting him and he is out to prove them wrong.
2. He grabbed his crotch, and gave some middle fingers. Oh boo freaking hoo. He's got a nasty side to him when it comes to trash talking other teams. You think he's the only player on that field who isn't giving each other trash on every play? I'm betting he's reacting to some trash talk previously given. And I doubt he repeats the reaction in the NFL after taking all the heat for it now. You think our coaches are gonna let him grab his crotch on the sidelines. Not likely. Calm down. It means nothing now. If he starts grabbing his crotch and giving the bird, then you all can say he needs to mature. For all we know, he has matured already. Wait and see approach people.
"Before the game even started, it was clear that the Jayhawks were taking Saturday’s matchup personally.
While meeting at center field for the coin toss, Oklahoma redshirt senior quarterback Baker Mayfield reached out to shake the hands of Kansas captains junior defensive end Dorance Armstrong Jr., junior defensive tackle Daniel Wise and redshirt junior linebacker Joe Dineen Jr.
The Heisman frontrunner’s attempt was met with contempt, as the Jayhawks kept their hands behind their backs and faces to the ground. Mayfield clapped his hands after the snub, becoming even more fired up than he was to begin with."
www.kansas.com (There is a video with this article link showing the handshake snub)
"After getting dissed by the Jayhawks’ captains during the coin toss, the Heisman Trophy front-runner spent the rest of an otherwise ho-hum 41-3 victory trading insults with them. At one point he told Kansas fans behind the bench to “go cheer on basketball,” and after throwing his third and final touchdown pass, video cameras caught him grabbing his crotch and cursing at the opposing sideline."
"Everything began when Mayfield tried shaking hands with Daniel Wise, Dorance Armstrong Jr. and Joe Dineen Jr. after the coin toss, but they stared stoically back at him. Mayfield quickly pulled his hand away, clapped a couple of times and set about burnishing his Heisman Trophy candidacy.
He threw TD passes to Rodney Anderson and Marquise Brown in the first half, then founded Mark Andrews late in the third quarter, which prompted more insults between Mayfield and the Jayhawks.
That was the point when he grabbed his crotch and cursed the Kansas sideline from his own bench.
“It was chippy from the second their guys decided they didn’t want to shake our hands,” Sooners coach Lincoln Riley said. “Despite all that, there’s no excuse for it. Baker’s a competitive guy.”
It's well established that I wanted Darnold at #1. I think that he has superstar upside.
I also thought (and said) that Mayfield would be a solid. decent QB. I thought that he might have a Tyrod Taylor type career.
I hope that I got it backwards, and Mayfield will be the superstar. I am encouraged at some of the reasons why they went with Mayfield. I respect Highsmith and Wolf, (why do I keep wanting to say "Ness" when I say "Elliot"?) and think that they are high quality talent evaluators.
I am cautiously optimistic. We'll see how it washed out.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
And as I've said, every NFL player knows this. They will be trying to use that to their advantage. As a pro, you try to capitalize on every weakness your opponent has. The Jayhawks managed to get into his head. And the NFL won't take such actions so lightly.
Let's just hope the kid matures and understand he's a pro now.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Boy I gotta tell you Excl, I watched the last two episodes. to be honest, I found them compelling. But I'm an old softy so that kind goes without saying.
The last episode showed a pretty human and down to earth family. Just very excited by the prospect of Baker being picked at all let alone going 1.
We hear a lot about how outside the box this kid is, but honestly, he seemed pretty humble to me.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
And as I've said, every NFL player knows this. They will be trying to use that to their advantage. As a pro, you try to capitalize on every weakness your opponent has. The Jayhawks managed to get into his head. And the NFL won't take such actions so lightly.
Let's just hope the kid matures and understand he's a pro now.
Oh yeah, they got into his head all right! And it worked out very well for them.
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
You just keep blathering on like nothing happened. Like everything is fine. I hope it is. I have no reason to say it will be an issue. But believe me, if he pulls the same stunts in the NFL that he did in the NCAA, the NFL will suspend the kid. Bank it.
I'm not predicting failure, but I don't have blinders on either.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
You just keep blathering on like nothing happened. Like everything is fine. I hope it is. I have no reason to say it will be an issue. But believe me, if he pulls the same stunts in the NFL that he did in the NCAA, the NFL will suspend the kid. Bank it.
I'm not predicting failure, but I don't have blinders on either.
Yet you keep saying it's an issue.
And I keep saying it's not. I'm not pretending nothing happened. I'm stating that I don't care about what happened.
You think he's going to grab his crotch towards the Ravens sidelines? No. He's not.
And I also don't think he'd get suspended. Very likely fined. And if fined, he might just learn his lesson.
My problem here is the big deal being made of what he might or might not do to irritate you on a personal level.
Where most of us other people are concerned with how he performs on the field.
That's what I'm most concerned with. Not his stupid crotch.
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
Patriots contemplated moving up to #2 for Mayfield
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
Baker Mayfield was the top QB for at least half a dozen teams besides the Browns, sources say Updated 1:06 PM; Posted 11:50 AM
By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns raised some eyebrows among fans and media by drafting Baker Mayfield No. 1 overall.
Most folks thought they'd opt for Sam Darnold or cannon-armed Josh Allen.
But John Dorsey revealed over the weekend that three key members of the Browns organization independently had Mayfield ranked No. 1 when scouting him last fall, despite the fact they weren't working together at the time: Dorsey, Eliot Wolf and Browns consultant Scot McCloughan, who could land a permanent position with the club.
Dorsey was out of work after having been fired by the Chiefs, but scouting players heavily to be ready for his next opportunity; Wolf was director of football operations for the Packers, and McCloughan was running Instinctive Scouting after being fired by the Redskins in March of last year.
Those three, along with former Packers and current Browns personnel exec Alonzo Highsmith, all reached the same conclusion: that Mayfield was the best quarterback in the rich 2018 class.
But they weren't the only ones. Of the 12 teams I've heard back from so far, four had Baker as their QB1, and two more gave me a strong indication that he was. Another league source named two other teams that he believes had him No. 1.
Of the four 'definites,' that I spoke directly with, three were in the AFC and one was in the NFC.
Said one team official: "The kid has great swagger. I've never been around a guy that attracts people like that. ..the shotgun thing is not going to hurt him. The level of competition and height (6-0) are real, but he'll do fine if he gets the ball out on time.''
He went on to say that Mayfield has tremendous accuracy, and above average arm strength, more than enough to make all the throws. But it was his fiery personality that convinced him Mayfield would be able to overcome the height issue.
A personnel executive from another team said, "loved the player. Great competitor and very gifted thrower. Huge arm but also great accuracy. Doesn't throw interceptions. Not as athletic as Russell Wilson or Johnny Manziel, but still makes unique and unscripted plays.''
Mayfield 3rd on depth chart and Jackson committed to starting Taylor
The Jets seemed to have Mayfield atop their board heading into the draft, but Manish Mehta of The New York Daily News reported on Saturday that Sam Darnold, whom the Jets picked at No. 3 when he fell like bread from the sky into their hands, that Darnold was their QB1.
The Rams also may have had Mayfield QB1 based on how coach Sean McVay feels about him. ESPN's Jeff Darlington reported over the weekend that McCoy would've sold the farm for Mayfield if he didn't already have Jared Goff. McVay sat next the Mayfield on his flight to the NFL Combine last month and advised him on how to handle media interviews.
So, the Browns have taken some heat for drafting Mayfield No. 1 overall, but they have plenty of company in the NFL in believing that he was the best in this class.
"A detestable villain ripens a rivalry. For Rivers, it began Christmas Eve in 2007. The worthy scourge of a Scrooge began exchanging words with Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler. The Chargers stopped Cecil Sapp on fourth-and-1 at the goal line. With Shaun Phillips and Matt Wilhelm sandwiching him, Rivers mockingly waved goodbye to Cutler, who responded by grabbing his crotch." denverpost.com
And as I've said, every NFL player knows this. They will be trying to use that to their advantage. As a pro, you try to capitalize on every weakness your opponent has. The Jayhawks managed to get into his head. And the NFL won't take such actions so lightly.
Let's just hope the kid matures and understand he's a pro now.
Oh yeah, they got into his head all right! And it worked out very well for them.
Well it was impressive... I mean for him to beat that juggernaut D known as the Kansas Jayhawks... shhhhhhhhhocking. He grabs his crotch at Burfict or Suggs and see how his afternoon plays out. He ain’t in Kansas anymore.
"A detestable villain ripens a rivalry. For Rivers, it began Christmas Eve in 2007. The worthy scourge of a Scrooge began exchanging words with Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler. The Chargers stopped Cecil Sapp on fourth-and-1 at the goal line. With Shaun Phillips and Matt Wilhelm sandwiching him, Rivers mockingly waved goodbye to Cutler, who responded by grabbing his crotch." denverpost.com
Inexcusable. Cutler is known around the NFL as an... we’ll lets just say I wouldn’t want his attitude on my team.
To add... I don't really care if he does grab his crotchal region towards anyone's sidelines, as long as he wins. I mean, I don't think he's going to be out of control with it... the kid plays with passion and he'll have our entire team behind him. If other teams disrespect our QB, I'd expect someone else on the team to let the other team know that wasn't nice. Our OL is going to love him.
I'm sad Joe didn't get the chance to play with Baker.
"A detestable villain ripens a rivalry. For Rivers, it began Christmas Eve in 2007. The worthy scourge of a Scrooge began exchanging words with Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler. The Chargers stopped Cecil Sapp on fourth-and-1 at the goal line. With Shaun Phillips and Matt Wilhelm sandwiching him, Rivers mockingly waved goodbye to Cutler, who responded by grabbing his crotch." denverpost.com
Inexcusable. Cutler is known around the NFL as an... we’ll lets just say I wouldn’t want his attitude on my team.
I wouldn't want him because he sucks as a QB.
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
Don't forget, we have two crotch grabbers on the team. Mayfield and Landry.
The double standard is quite humorous actually.
No double standard. If Landry pulls that crap I’ll ride him like a rented mule too. The difference, not that it’s an excuse at all, but the difference is Landry has produced at a high level on the pro level. Baker hasn’t done squat. So until he wins regularly he needs to keep his hand off his [censored] and his mouth shut. Then if he wins regularly he needs to continue the same.
they can grab each others' crotches for all I care, but winning would be nice
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
Its all about the probability of success. The ability to grow and GET IT! That is what blew them away. We both now how important that part is. Understanding the entire concept of the game plan being even 3-4 plays ahead. Studying film and now when you set a team up.
What all have to remember, is the kid is 6' n change. For so many even if its 4 out of 12, had him as their #1 that is incredible. Height is a big thing, and film was all in Mayfield's favor hands down but Darnold had the size that teams would like so Highsmith thought Darnold was the guy cause of that, note he had Baker #2.
Then they started meeting and talking football, x's and o's the thought process the intangibles that make a Tom Brady into one of the best ever. This didn't just make him close to Darnold this catapulted him way past Darnold.
Portland I get it, basically you really dislike him. You are entitled. I get it you are from Missouri (Show me). Well probably sometime during this upcoming season he will make his first start. It might be a Wally Pipp scenario, hopefully it won't be that we are just doing so bad with TT at the helm. But unless we are leading our division and on our way to the playoffs, He will make the transition. There is an outside chance that all these intangibles will have him starting from day one. I would prefer he gets a couple games under his belt as a Pro before the BM era begins.
btw, what is the significance of the Initials BM and Browns???That one went right over my head.
As noted I started watching the kid early on and was just wowed by his abilities and picking the team up and laying it all on his shoulders, their D was pretty bad.
The early on WOW and knew this kid was special was a play. Believe it was 3rd and long. He drifted to the left as pressure was coming from the right and up the middle. So he slid to the left. Meanwhile he saw a WR doing a 20 yard out to be beyond the first down marker by a couple of yards.
He had a DT coming at him hard and right in his face. Off the back foot as he was instantly going to be hit, he throws a rope towards the sidelines. A more perfect throw could not be made. Right in the hands of the WR, nothing great about the catch but the Defender was all over him. first down! My jaw was dropped and it only got better from there on. As we got worse and worse in our record I was disappointed because I know his height would be a stumbling block for the overall #1 pick. I even thought maybe the height thing would have him drop to the end of the first or even #33. Brees actually was the first pick in the 2nd round cause of the height thing. Then Manziel who was the first Sub 6' QB to ever be taken in the first round. Turned into a mess thought I would never see the day.
I'd like all to reflect how great Mayfield must be to have so many football people think he would be the #1 QB if not #1 then #2 in a QB class that in itself is great.
Portland, seems only a few Browns fan who didn't like BM seem to be the ones worrying about his off field or on field behaviors. Haven't read one football person remarking about it as a red flag, some analyst maybe but not football people.
Its all good. The best thing about this is I know to a man/woman we all will love the kid soon enough. Winning is the cure all. Hate the unnecessary bickering going on though. We all should be happy at what we have done in a short time. 2016, 2017 and her we are 2018 with the biggest total rebuild we have done since 1999. We are here...FOR GOOD!
Happy for all of us!
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
How about we let Mayfield throw ..... maybe 2 or 3 passes before we declare him a satanic bust.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
2. He grabbed his crotch, and gave some middle fingers. Oh boo freaking hoo. He's got a nasty side to him when it comes to trash talking other teams. You think he's the only player on that field who isn't giving each other trash on every play? I'm betting he's reacting to some trash talk previously given. And I doubt he repeats the reaction in the NFL after taking all the heat for it now. You think our coaches are gonna let him grab his crotch on the sidelines. Not likely. Calm down. It means nothing now. If he starts grabbing his crotch and giving the bird, then you all can say he needs to mature. For all we know, he has matured already. Wait and see approach people.
"Before the game even started, it was clear that the Jayhawks were taking Saturday’s matchup personally.
While meeting at center field for the coin toss, Oklahoma redshirt senior quarterback Baker Mayfield reached out to shake the hands of Kansas captains junior defensive end Dorance Armstrong Jr., junior defensive tackle Daniel Wise and redshirt junior linebacker Joe Dineen Jr.
The Heisman frontrunner’s attempt was met with contempt, as the Jayhawks kept their hands behind their backs and faces to the ground. Mayfield clapped his hands after the snub, becoming even more fired up than he was to begin with."
www.kansas.com (There is a video with this article link showing the handshake snub)
"After getting dissed by the Jayhawks’ captains during the coin toss, the Heisman Trophy front-runner spent the rest of an otherwise ho-hum 41-3 victory trading insults with them. At one point he told Kansas fans behind the bench to “go cheer on basketball,” and after throwing his third and final touchdown pass, video cameras caught him grabbing his crotch and cursing at the opposing sideline."
"Everything began when Mayfield tried shaking hands with Daniel Wise, Dorance Armstrong Jr. and Joe Dineen Jr. after the coin toss, but they stared stoically back at him. Mayfield quickly pulled his hand away, clapped a couple of times and set about burnishing his Heisman Trophy candidacy.
He threw TD passes to Rodney Anderson and Marquise Brown in the first half, then founded Mark Andrews late in the third quarter, which prompted more insults between Mayfield and the Jayhawks.
That was the point when he grabbed his crotch and cursed the Kansas sideline from his own bench.
“It was chippy from the second their guys decided they didn’t want to shake our hands,” Sooners coach Lincoln Riley said. “Despite all that, there’s no excuse for it. Baker’s a competitive guy.”
The game ended in a 41-3 Oaklahoma win over the Kansas Jayhawks.
I never knew the rest of the story. I like it.
Sure, it's juvenile and unprofessional, but now knowing that it was borne of being snubbed at the outset in the traditional handshake? Hell, they killed sportsmanship first - he just responded better.
I like this kid.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
And as I've said, every NFL player knows this. They will be trying to use that to their advantage. As a pro, you try to capitalize on every weakness your opponent has. The Jayhawks managed to get into his head. And the NFL won't take such actions so lightly.
Let's just hope the kid matures and understand he's a pro now.
You guys are funny...you do realize it was Kansas who got an unsportsman like penalty for hitting Mayfield hard well after the throw. Mayfield just got up fast and continued playing...hmmm who was in control there. Who got the other to get a penalty. But right away you have him as some dumb idiot who is going to get tooled by the opponents...just when and where did that happen??? I see in your mind. lol
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
How about we let Mayfield throw ..... maybe 2 or 3 passes before we declare him a satanic bust.
I never said he was a bust. He’s got to prove he isn’t though. I’d say that about any player.
I did say this earlier in the thread. I’ll repost it for assured clarity. “I’d like to clarify my position on Baker. For future reference. I know I’ve been on him since he was drafted. But you’ll also note I’ve not trashed his game. Nor have I trashed him for his size. Baker, the player, has a chance. I think he played in a conference that doesn’t value D very much. I think he’s got a BIG transition to make from the O he played at OU. I wish he was 3” taller and 25-30 pounds heavier. All that said... Baker has a chance. He’s got ‘enough’ arm. He’s smart with the ball. He’s accurate (especially when guys are wide open like in the conference he played in.) I do believe he’s a hard worker and wants to be good. (But so did Kiser.) I hope Baker doesn’t see the field this year. He needs a chance to refine his game. Our O needs a chance to gel so that when Baker does get his chance everything else is in sync. That’s his best chance. So for me what it comes down to is his antics. Not his attitude. They’re different. Have moxy. Play with passion. Just act like an adult. Knock it off with the running around arms swinging, crotch grabbing, finger flipping, profanity yelling, flag planting... He does this and I’ll come around...if he’s also winning. If he wins and acts like a 8th grader when school lets out for the summer every time he scores a TD, I’ll never be his fan. I’ll root and cheer for wins, but be endlessly embarrassed by the child we have playing QB.”
And this... “We just see it all differently. I don’t like my players to act like asses when they do their jobs. Running around like 4 year old swinging their arms, flipping off opponents, grabbing their crotch, etc. Act like an adult. Act like a pro. Do your job. All that crap is a reflection of the player, and of the team. To me it says you can’t control your emotions. As I’ve already said, to me the biggest slight you can give your opponent is to act like they don’t exist. To act as though each TD is so expected that there’s no reason to run around and act like you just won the lottery. We will likely never agree on this. I’ll never like excessive celebration or childish antics on the field. I lived in CBus for 11 years. Attended the Columbus College of Art and Design. Lived on Hudson and High, just off of Pearl Alley on 17th, just off 4th and 23rd, and eventually/lastly Grandview. I may not have attended OSU but I lived and breathed it. The flag planting garbage didn’t rub me wrong because we lost. It rubbed me wrong because it’s wrong. I would have been embarrassed if the Buckeyes had done the same. I don’t like disrespecting opponents. You beat them. That shows your dominance. Not a crotch grab, a finger, or a flag. That is a reflection of the lack of respect for sportsmanship. Again, we’ll likely never see eye to eye on this. As I’ll never like it. Even if we’re winning.”
I think he has enough tools. I just hope the most important one, his brain, is focused on the field. Not on how ‘mean’ the opponent was being at the coin flip, or what the opposing players say, or what the opposing fans are yelling, or or or. Go do your job. Keep your emotions in check. Act like a pro. Most importantly, win! I’ll never be a fan of his antics if he keeps them up. He may embarrass me, my team, with childish nonsense. If he wins, I can swallow the lump in my throat while he does it. Doesn’t mean I’ll like it. I’ll just be glad to see the team winning.
I didn't make it up, I'm just explaining his reference.
Thanks, I understand and of course don't unless the reference was made by a Steeler, Bengal or Raven fan. Was it? Talk about immature lol . just silly reference...smh
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You look at the resume to see if qualified. Once that box is checked you bring them in to "talk".
Going in I had Darnold as the guy. Rosen was second very close second. Third Mayfield and then Allen. And honestly I had a high grade on Rudolph.
That is all based upon tape. Strictly what do I see on the field. Kind of the resume. Are they qualified to be a first rounder. I did not have Lamar as a first round quarterback.
Then you go to the combine. Darnold not throwing meant nothing. But when you get to meet these guys it is a different point of view. You can start to picture them as the team leader or not.
White Board is important but only to a degree. Because these guys all have had different exposures to football.
What it can show is where are they as far as concepts and how do they present themselves. Mayfield had a edge because he is older, and played in more games. But he also must have left a hell of a impression in total.
Mayfield has great tape. I pay no attention to height unless I see on film that it presents a problem. I didn't see that. My concern was just pure athleticism. He has quick feet but appeared slow. For sure not the athlete that Russell Wilson is. But just as good as Brees.
Darnold is a very good athlete. And I believe he has great potential.
I think for the Browns what separated Mayfield was "presence". The whole pied piper thing. The hee hee, the way people are attracted to Mayfield. He has quick intelligence. He is a high motor guy. Darnold is a laid back, follow my example guy. More of a quiet leader.
There are all kinds of leaders. Apparently the Browns preferred Mayfield's style.
If I got to see him up close and personal like they did I could have been swayed as well.
But now their careers begin and we will find out.
I am on board with Mayfield. I respect Dorsey and his staff. It is a career decision for them and they know it.
So hop aboard the Mayfield train and lets see where we go.
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