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Just for reference sake;

Nick Chubb's injury occurred in the fall of 2015.

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I think tyrod will surprise people. After the QB play we've put up with lately, he's going to look like a hall of famer to Browns fans.


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TT...incredible transformation of weapons attained and what we got on our roster compared with last season. Seasoned veteran like TT should excel.

Back to Nick Chubb. The more I look at this kid (and no its not just an eotab homer thing) Chubb the more impressed I am with him.

Not that it matters but he is a better WR than was promised to us. Maybe that's the least important variable that impressed me. Its actually his feet. It was brought up by a poster and also in an article about his feet and Jamal Lewis' feet how quick they are in the hole. I've been very impressed and the further away from his injury (healing) the better and more production came from that footwork.

It is there that we will see a MUCH MUCH better RB than in Crowell. Crowell just didn't have the quick feet shown by Nick Chubb. I have not checked out Hyde vs. Crowell but I've always been impressed with Hyde since coming out of college. I was always surprised the lack of props as I know there are many OSU fans on this board.

But Chubb was an excellent pick up and we will see some big games from him where he will dominate. Especially if we creat the space I know we can from our NOW WEAPONS and functional QB and who knows maybe our overall #1 pick QB taking over.
I know its still just on paper. We need all to get on the
same page and execute but this has to be the BEST talent and weapons we have ever had on our team in a long long time!

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I have a request.

Could you use names, or at least a 1st or last name ..... because I have to think too much when I read one of your posts with BM, TT, CH, and so forth. It makes my brain hurt. crazy rofl


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I evaluated Chubb before the draft. You can check and see on the Ranking and Evaluating the Running Backs. I think it's on page 4. Chubb ended up number 7 on my list of the RBs I studied. Here is what I wrote about Chubb before the draft.

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The next guy on my list is Nick Chubb. I watched several videos and read as much as I could on him. Like his teammate Michel, I will show the video against Alabama in the National Championship game. I will post my analysis of him after the video.



Strengths:
--Runs behind his pads
--Low center of gravity
--Squares shoulders early
--Shows some patience
--Good when using one-cut
--Decent feet in the mess at the LOS

Concerns:

--Isn't the same back after he tore his knee up
--Ineffective when trying to bounce it outside against good competition
--Not the best at picking up the blitz
--Didn't see him catch too many
--Will not run away from you

Summary:
It's too bad he tore his knee up. He is not the same back he was early on at Georgia. I see a very ordinary back that probably won't be drafted until rounds 4-6. I don't think he will do a ton in the NFL. He can be solid, but I have him well down my list of RBs in this year's very deep RB class.

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I bet that if last season we had Chubb and Hyde you wouldn't be saying the same thing...

Honestly, its very hard to get excited this year, knowing how much we struggled last year to run the ball.

TT was effective because the Bills had the 6th best run offense... unless you think LeSean is Hyde level...

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I would add that Georgia didn't throw much to their backs at all. Michel had only 9 catches in 2017. Chubb did catch 18 passes in 2014

I do think that Chubb has been getting better as his recovery has progressed. I don't think that this is a Montario Hardesty situation. Chubb did not tear his ACL, so I think that he'll continue to strengthen the knee as time goes on.

I preferred Michel, but the Pats grabbed him before we could.

Man, in your video, Bama attacked the LOS hard on almost every one of those plays. It was like they expected run only with him in the game.


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Actually I thought TT was effective last year cause he didn't turn the ball over!

I don't get what you're saying about last year.

Can I explain some football to you. If you cannot throw a lick in this league teams will game plan to take the Running game away. Now we have a QB that can sustain drives and not turn the ball over. And if teams decide to game plan like last year.
Stop the run and let the rookie QB Kizer win the games. This year we got TT and if BM comes in to play he is not Kizer teams over commit the run BM will tear them apart!

You not getting excited is meaningless.

Btw...we were the 18th rated team in Rushing last year and that was teams playing to stop our run game as a priority!

So I really don't understand your concern. We had no WRs no QB so teams committed to stop our run...they do that this year with a smart experienced QB and with Gordon now and Landry along with a more experienced Njoku and Duke is amazing. Teams will pay! Apologies for getting excited about that...lol laugh


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Actually I thought TT was effective last year cause he didn't turn the ball over!

I don't get what you're saying about last year.

Can I explain some football to you. If you cannot throw a lick in this league teams will game plan to take the Running game away. Now we have a QB that can sustain drives and not turn the ball over. And if teams decide to game plan like last year.
Stop the run and let the rookie QB Kizer win the games. This year we got TT and if BM comes in to play he is not Kizer teams over commit the run BM will tear them apart!

You not getting excited is meaningless.

Btw...we were the 18th rated team in Rushing last year and that was teams playing to stop our run game as a priority!

So I really don't understand your concern. We had no WRs no QB so teams committed to stop our run...they do that this year with a smart experienced QB and with Gordon now and Landry along with a more experienced Njoku and Duke is amazing. Teams will pay! Apologies for getting excited about that...lol laugh


I was just stating the obvious, IMHO... TT was effective because he had Lesean McCoy running the ball not Crowell nor Carlos Hyde, and he didn't have Hue for Head Coach or OC.

Comparing to last year or two years ago, we added TT and Landry, and lost JT, BO and Britt.

Last year by this time, nobody was talking about major problems, we had Kessler in his 2nd year, BO that won the veteran job over Josh McCown and the rookie Kizer. We also had signed a viable WR in Kenny Britt,and it was the 2nd season for rookie Colemon.

I would say that talent wise on O, its almost a wash, and for sure not a spectacular upgrade. TT is a cast-off from the Bills, that should be enough to put things in perspective.

And I don't buy into the we couldn't run the ball because all were expecting us to run the ball.... We didn't run the ball by design.. We were 28th in attempts and 3rd in avg yds...This with a rookie QB with accuracy problems...

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Last year by this time, nobody was talking about major problems, we had Kessler in his 2nd year, BO that won the veteran job over Josh McCown and the rookie Kizer. We also had signed a viable WR in Kenny Britt,and it was the 2nd season for rookie Colemon.


1st) McCown was cut in early February. BO was traded for in early March. There was no "won veteran job over Josh McCown". Osweiler wasn't ever in the plans until after the draft. They didn't even really announce him to the team......... And I doubt they had their deal in place when they cut McCown.

2nd) Kenny Britt, while 28 years old, had already played 8 seasons of football. Landry will be going into his fifth season this year. I think we can expect a lot more effort out of Landry than Kenny Britt.


TT, Bills cast off or not, is a wanted player here. Word has it we wanted him here last year as well (but the Bills kept him). BO never was desired on this team. Right off the bat, that's a huge difference


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Just watched tape on this guy... Geez.,. I think he'll make us forget about Crow....


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Just watched tape on this guy... Geez.,. I think he'll make us forget about Crow....


Who is Crow?


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I would say that talent wise on O, its almost a wash

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Man, in your video, Bama attacked the LOS hard on almost every one of those plays. It was like they expected run only with him in the game.


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Man, in your video, Bama attacked the LOS hard on almost every one of those plays. It was like they expected run only with him in the game.


Historically a safe bet when playing against Georgia tongue


Yeah, but their QB was efficient, if not spectacular last year. He threw 24 TD passes against only 7 INT. They did run for 42 .... if I counted right, but their passing game wasn't some guy completing 50% of his passes, and throwing as many INT as TD. But Bama just completely disregarded the pass, pouring 7, or even 8 men into the box when Chubb was in. Their corners even rushed immediately to help in run defense.

Georgia should have run a couple of flea flickers with Chubb in. I bet they would have hit some big plays.


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I like how he runs with those short, choppy steps. He's got some speed even though he never really opens up his stride. Even in the open field he doesn't open up with huge strides.

Question, though: He was a beast after contact in college. Could that hold him back a little bit making the transition to the NFL? He's not going to have defenders bouncing off of him quite like his college videos, and he's definitely not going to be running away from DBs... so will that hamper him in terms of getting used to the pro game?


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I like how he runs with those short, choppy steps. He's got some speed even though he never really opens up his stride. Even in the open field he doesn't open up with huge strides.

Question, though: He was a beast after contact in college. Could that hold him back a little bit making the transition to the NFL? He's not going to have defenders bouncing off of him quite like his college videos, and he's definitely not going to be running away from DBs... so will that hamper him in terms of getting used to the pro game?


Oh he will still break tackles and still run as fast as a DB.

Not sure what you have seen of Chubb, but it sounds like you could be in for a real treat friend.


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Question, though: He was a beast after contact in college. Could that hold him back a little bit making the transition to the NFL? He's not going to have defenders bouncing off of him quite like his college videos, and he's definitely not going to be running away from DBs... so will that hamper him in terms of getting used to the pro game?


He has excellent lower body power with ability to keep balance. Both are lethal when together. I don't really have any concerns about Chubb and the pro game to be honest, but that's just me.

He weighs a little more than Crow and has a faster 40 time. Nick with a 4.52 and Crow had a 4.57. Not a major difference, but my point - Crow could outrun people if the chance risen so no reason to think Chubb couldn't either.

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That gives him great balance and the ability to run with power


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That painted a disturbing picture.
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Wow. I don't see that happening with Hyde and Duke here though. I just don't see him getting enough touches.

Wasn't Kamara used in multiple roles last year? I don't think the same will be with Chubb


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I see a lot of TDs in Chubb's future. Duke's reps will be in the passing game mostly. Hyde and Chubb will have to share a lot of reps keeping both fresh for the season. But I see Chubb becoming the go to guy when we reach the red zone and especially when we get to Goal to Go situations. As for standing behind or in front of...nobody is safe, I'm Greek...lol laugh


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I see a lot of TDs in Chubb's future. Duke's reps will be in the passing game mostly. Hyde and Chubb will have to share a lot of reps keeping both fresh for the season. But I see Chubb becoming the go to guy when we reach the red zone and especially when we get to Goal to Go situations.

See. This is kind of sad to see for me. I think Duke is a pretty dynamic runner. I like saving him because I don't think he can take a full load. But I do think he deserves his share. Just about 8-10 reps a game.

Duke can do it all IMO. Inside, outside, block and catch. And Carlos Hyde can do it all too, except he's a different style runner.

I'd like to start Chubb out slowly, and let him work himself into the offense slowly. I guess Chubb as a redzone threat works. Or on specific packages.

I'm very big on making sure this offense gains chemistry as quick as possible. Even at the expense of the rookie's playing time. Let them work themselves in slowly, not at the expense of the offense.

I'd like to get this team off and rolling as quick as possible this year

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I think Duke is a pretty dynamic runner. I like saving him because I don't think he can take a full load. But I do think he deserves his share. Just about 8-10 reps a game.

I think you are not too far off with the number but I think the 8-10 is touches, not rushes.. In the end it will have a lot to do with our ability to keep the ball, sustain drives etc.. if we can do that, everybody gets more touches.


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I think you are not too far off with the number but I think the 8-10 is touches, not rushes.. In the end it will have a lot to do with our ability to keep the ball, sustain drives etc.. if we can do that, everybody gets more touches.


Agreed. I'd like to up Duke's touches a couple more from that though. Duke's gotta run the ball a bit so they don't think he's going for a pass everytime he's in the game.


But, yes. The key to everything is a more successful offense. The longer (and more) drives we have, the more touches for everyone. Simple Time Of Possession stuff


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Colin Cowherd declares Cleveland Browns RB Nick Chubb will win the 2018 NFL Rookie of the Year | FOX Sports
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I would get excited but I think less of Colin Cowherd than I do the waste I leave in the toilet after eating Taco Bell.


I like that you needed to qualify it with the Taco Bell.

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Colin Cowherd declares Cleveland Browns RB Nick Chubb will win the 2018 NFL Rookie of the Year | FOX Sports
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I would get excited but I think less of Colin Cowherd than I do the waste I leave in the toilet after eating Taco Bell.


I like that you needed to qualify it with the Taco Bell.

Those are the only ones he isn't proud of.


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Colin Cowherd declares Cleveland Browns RB Nick Chubb will win the 2018 NFL Rookie of the Year | FOX Sports
https://www.foxsports.com/watch/the-herd...tent=highlights


I would get excited but I think less of Colin Cowherd than I do the waste I leave in the toilet after eating Taco Bell.


I like that you needed to qualify it with the Taco Bell.

Those are the only ones he isn't proud of.


And I thought people that took Facebook pictures of their food before entering the body were bad ...

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