lol man, Cohen better get his story straight asap.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
lol man, Cohen better get his story straight asap.
if this is true, this is very scary for client privileges. How anyone could say this does not violate that is beyond me.
I see and understand that concern, but Trump has stated that Cohen does very little legal work for him. And a judge found reasonable cause to issue the warrant for a phone tap... just saying you might want to consider that Trump is dirty and has been caught.
lol man, Cohen better get his story straight asap.
if this is true, this is very scary for client privileges. How anyone could say this does not violate that is beyond me.
I see and understand that concern, but Trump has stated that Cohen does very little legal work for him. And a judge found reasonable cause to issue the warrant for a phone tap... just saying you might want to consider that Trump is dirty and has been caught.
This has nothing to do with trump, but as our rights as citizens of the US as a whole. I would say this if they tapped Trumps lawyer, Obamas lawyer, heck OJ's lawyer. Client/lawyer privilege is not something a single judge should be able to issue a warrant on.
I am leaning that this article is false, for all our sakes. Because if its not, darned be our rights and due process
lol man, Cohen better get his story straight asap.
if this is true, this is very scary for client privileges. How anyone could say this does not violate that is beyond me.
I see and understand that concern, but Trump has stated that Cohen does very little legal work for him. And a judge found reasonable cause to issue the warrant for a phone tap... just saying you might want to consider that Trump is dirty and has been caught.
This has nothing to do with trump, but as our rights as citizens of the US as a whole. I would say this if they tapped Trumps lawyer, Obamas lawyer, heck OJ's lawyer. Client/lawyer privilege is not something a single judge should be able to issue a warrant on.
I am leaning that this article is false, for all our sakes. Because if its not, darned be our rights and due process
Of course it has to do with Trump, the biggest reason Cohen is in trouble is his long term association with Trump. And I get your concern about the attorney client privilege, but I see zero concern from you that the POTUS may actually have committed high crimes, which is much more serious. smh
I disagree with that this has anything to do with Trump.
People - media - everyone - need to separate the issues. Cohen is under investigation for what Cohen has done. He was "raided" based on his own criminality. It does NOT automatically have anything to do with Trump. Connecting the two and assuming that they are connected is a false premise.... that's not to say there might not be a connection, but no-one should assume.
Same thing with the news there is a wiretap - it was issued and based on Cohen's criminal activities (or the preponderance of evidence supporting/indicating such) .... the fact they have caught a conversation with Trump on the wiretap - may be true, might be spin, who knows .... but the tap wasn't issued because of a fishing expedition that "might catch something" ... though I'm sure that narrative will get pushed.
Bottom line - for the 'raid' and for the wire tap on Cohen, and for both to be signed off and get green lighted - Cohen in his own right is almost certainly already been proven to be engaged in criminal activity.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
There are some public policy exceptions to the application of the attorney-client privilege. Some of the most common exceptions to the privilege include:
1.Death of a Client. The privilege may be breached upon the death of a testator-client if litigation ensues between the decedent’s heirs, legatees or other parties claiming under the deceased client.
2.Fiduciary Duty. A corporation’s right to assert the attorney-client privilege is not absolute. An exception to the privilege has been carved out when the corporation’s shareholders wish to pierce the corporation’s attorney-client privilege.
3.Crime or Fraud Exception. If a client seeks advice from an attorney to assist with the furtherance of a crime or fraud or the post-commission concealment of the crime or fraud, then the communication is not privileged. If, however, the client has completed a crime or fraud and then seeks the advice of legal counsel, such communications are privileged unless the client considers covering up the crime or fraud.
4.Common Interest Exception. If two parties are represented by the same attorney in a single legal matter, neither client may assert the attorney-client privilege against the other in subsequent litigation if the subsequent litigation pertained to the subject matter of the previous joint representation.
In addition to these more traditional policy exceptions to the application of the privilege, recent events remind us that the privilege is not at all absolute. In the wake of the events of September 11, 2001, for example, Congress enacted, in swift fashion, the USA Patriot Act, allowing for, among other things, increased authority to conduct searches and monitor activity without judicial intervention.28 The USA Patriot Act led to a number of new rules and executive orders from the Bush Administration, including the widely criticized Bureau of Prisons Rule.29 This rule “authorizes the Attorney General to order the [Bureau of Prisons] Director to monitor or review communications between inmates and lawyers for the purpose of deterring future acts that could result in death or serious bodily injury to persons or property.”30 All that is required before such monitoring can begin is a “reasonable suspicion . . . that a particular inmate may use attorney-client communications to facilitate acts of terrorism.”31 Although the long-term effects of this new rule cannot be known, one is reminded that the privilege itself is not immune from the political climate in which we live.
MATTERS NOT PROTECTED BY THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE
Not all components of the attorney-client relationship are protected by or encompassed within the attorney-client privilege. For example, the existence of the attorney-client relationship or the length of the relationship are not privileged bits of information.32 In fact, the general nature of the services performed by the lawyer, including the terms and conditions of the retention, are generally discoverable.
The factual circumstances surrounding the communications between an attorney and a client, such as the date of the communication and the identity of persons copied on correspondence, are likewise not privileged. Participants in a meeting with an attorney, the length of a consultation and the documents evidencing same (e.g., calendars, appointment books) are not necessarily protected from compelled disclosure.33 As for the fee arrangement between an attorney and a client, these documents are typically discoverable, except where such discovery would produce confidential communications with the client.34
CNN) — In the wake of Rudy Giuliani's statements about the hush payment made to Stormy Daniels, outgoing Republican Rep. Charlie Dent called for congressional oversight hearings into the matter, suggesting that it would be hypocritical not to hold them.
"I think there is certainly a role for Congress," the Pennsylvania Republican said on CNN's "Newsroom" on Thursday.
"Let's put the shoe on the other foot," Dent said. "If a Democratic president had paid off a porn star to keep quiet while he was president, I suspect we'd have oversight hearings, and I suspect there should be some oversight hearings to get to the bottom of this."
"If a Democratic president had done this, we'd be waving a bloody shirt right now," he said of his Republican House colleagues.
On Wednesday night, Giuliani, a member of President Donald Trump's legal team, disclosed that the President had paid back the $130,000 his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, had used to pay for Daniels' silence about an alleged affair. Trump had previously said he was unaware of the payment to the adult film star. On Thursday morning, Trump denied that any of his campaign money was used to reimburse Cohen and said the lawyer was paid via retainer.
Dent said on CNN that he was "not sure" whether the payment amounted to a violation of any laws. The Pennsylvania congressman, a frequent critic of the President, announced in mid-April he would be leaving his office "in the coming weeks."
I think Giuliani killed the Trump presidency last night on Fox. If the 'reimbursement' payment was illegal then Cohen and Trump committed a crime and all privilege goes out the window. OOPS! lmao
Client/lawyer privilege is not something a single judge should be able to issue a warrant on.
For the fiftieth time:
Trump literally - and I stress the word "literally" - went on national television and waived any and all semblance of lawyer-client privilege by saying he had no knowledge of an NDA, and that if Cohen entered into one, he did it alone and Trump had no knowledge.
A judge didn't decide Trump wasn't entitled to L-C privilege. Trump went on TV and said there was none.
Ignore the lemmings running around with their hair on fire, They did not wiretap Cohen's phone, they simply made a log of phone calls known as a pen register. No one was able to listen to the calls.
Ignore the lemmings running around with their hair on fire, They did not wiretap Cohen's phone, they simply made a log of phone calls known as a pen register. No one was able to listen to the calls.
NBC=Fake News.
You got a link for that, I'd like to see it. That's a big update.
Ignore the lemmings running around with their hair on fire, They did not wiretap Cohen's phone, they simply made a log of phone calls known as a pen register. No one was able to listen to the calls.
NBC=Fake News.
You got a link for that, I'd like to see it. That's a big update.
Check Swishes link above because NBC had to go back and fix their Fake News.
And I get your concern about the attorney client privilege, but I see zero concern from you that the POTUS may actually have committed high crimes, which is much more serious. smh
I would argue it's not more serious.. it's not more serious than respecting attorney client privilege.. If we got to pick and choose that some crimes were serious enough that privilege could be violated, then we are in a very dangerous place.
Evidently they got a warrant, they did it the right way so unless I hear otherwise, then I'll be ok with it... but maintaining the law on search and seizure, proper interrogation techniques, attorney privilege, etc.. have all been deemed far more important than catching any individual person who committed a criminal act.
And I get your concern about the attorney client privilege, but I see zero concern from you that the POTUS may actually have committed high crimes, which is much more serious. smh
I would argue it's not more serious.. it's not more serious than respecting attorney client privilege.. If we got to pick and choose that some crimes were serious enough that privilege could be violated, then we are in a very dangerous place.
Evidently they got a warrant, they did it the right way so unless I hear otherwise, then I'll be ok with it... but maintaining the law on search and seizure, proper interrogation techniques, attorney privilege, etc.. have all been deemed far more important than catching any individual person who committed a criminal act.
Where is the evidence saying they didn't do this legally? Is it on Hannity? Are we all lawyers and constitutional scholars now? Most americans would struggle to read even the most minor legalese, so they are quick to believe people they think won't steer them wrong. Personally, I don't see Trump tweets or Fox News as those people.
Ignore the lemmings running around with their hair on fire, They did not wiretap Cohen's phone, they simply made a log of phone calls known as a pen register. No one was able to listen to the calls.
NBC=Fake News.
40: The dumb lawyer for the creepy and senile racist man-child I adore only had a pen register, not a wiretap
It's so sad how low their arguments have stooped to.
Attack Attack Attack. He is still a member of the Bar. He is licensed to practice law.
Yet MSNBC says he is not really a Lawyer.
Yet you find this to be brilliant.
The Press has lost its way as their job has always been to "get" the story, not to "get" the President.
In a town of talk, President Trump is a man of action.
Yep. He takes action from the time he wakes to watch and live tweet Fox and friends, until he curls up with fast food cheeseburgers to end his day. In between he fills his days being the worst president in the history of the country.
In a town of talk, President Trump is a man of action.
You think the guy who has no clue what is happening around him that spends the first 3 hours of his day watching "FOX & Friends" and screaming on Twitter about how people are mean and unfair to him is a "man of action"?
"Man of action" is almost as funny as when you said he had "the heart of a lion".
And I get your concern about the attorney client privilege, but I see zero concern from you that the POTUS may actually have committed high crimes, which is much more serious. smh
I would argue it's not more serious.. it's not more serious than respecting attorney client privilege.. If we got to pick and choose that some crimes were serious enough that privilege could be violated, then we are in a very dangerous place.
Evidently they got a warrant, they did it the right way so unless I hear otherwise, then I'll be ok with it... but maintaining the law on search and seizure, proper interrogation techniques, attorney privilege, etc.. have all been deemed far more important than catching any individual person who committed a criminal act.
Where is the evidence saying they didn't do this legally? Is it on Hannity? Are we all lawyers and constitutional scholars now? Most americans would struggle to read even the most minor legalese, so they are quick to believe people they think won't steer them wrong. Personally, I don't see Trump tweets or Fox News as those people.
Since you quoted my whole post and then went on your rant, including the part I made bold.. I will, at this time, point to the part where I said...
Evidently they got a warrant, they did it the right way so unless I hear otherwise, then I'll be ok with it...
As far as what Americans struggle to read and understand.. I'll leave that for others to decide.
why did is punk ass even go out on TV if he didn't have everything in order first?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
It's pretty sad that you liberals have not a single brain cell. Trump is right, sitting with Mueller is a trap. Now, I have a serious question for you brainiacs; if Mueller had ANYTHING on Trump, why would he have to trap him? Traps are set because you DON'T have anything so lets create something.
did mueller call it a trap, or did the president call it a trap?
that was lost in your hilariously misinformed post.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Welcome back bro ... glad to see u ... hopefully business is good dawg ... your timings perfect ...
You think this ones not real smart ... well check this out ... the TDSers went nuts over Mr. Presidents taxes again a week or so back and they kept falling back to the old “he should release them” BS ... it was pointed out that his lawyers told him not too ... they didnt care cause the IRS said it was ok ... SWEAR TO GOD thats what they said ... ...
So it begged the question ... when your attorney gives u advice do u listen or ignore it? ... i asked it ....
Why in the hell would Mueller call it a trap? Every damn lawyer commenting on this says it's a trap. We just had a judge say that he's going waaaaay beyond his scope.
You guys are blinded by so much hate you couldn't think your way out of a wet paper bag.
Let's try to get him on perjury....why? Because you have NOTHING else....plain as day.
Anybody recall the infamous words of Reagan during the Cuban missle crisis? "I have no recollection of that event"....now what Mueller, you piece of crap!
Trump has been ignoring it, which is why he's had a revolving door of lawyers.
you should probably pay attention.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
you sound like the nixon supporters back in the day.
he's innocent!! he's innocent!! they got nothing!!
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Doing great Diam, how about you my friend? I have to shoot up to S. Carolina to sit down with you sometime.
I'm beyond sick with this stupidity man....and I listen to my attorney...and abide by every damn word. I screw something up, he fixes it...the American way
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
You keep hanging on to hope man. How much more time does he need? As a businessman, if I hired him to investigate something and after over a year you bring me nothing...guess what?
Mueller is a worthless piece of crap collecting a paycheck.
It's pretty sad that you liberals have not a single brain cell. Trump is right, sitting with Mueller is a trap. Now, I have a serious question for you brainiacs; if Mueller had ANYTHING on Trump, why would he have to trap him? Traps are set because you DON'T have anything so lets create something.
The stupidity is beyond belief.
Its a criminal probe; If Mueller has questions and the lawyers can't work it out, then Mueller can just subpoena Trump and then Trump will have to go (and without lawyers). Only out Trump would have is probably a supreme court decision.
i have made it incredibly clear i HOPE Trump doesnt go down for this.
but hope and expecting are two different things. stop making things up.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
You know what Swish, I respect that. Seriously tho....how can you expect him to go down for something he didn't do?
I'm so damn happy a judge finally said to Mueller you're way off track of the scope of the investigation. Heed those words man, it should apply to EVERY Special Counsel in the future. This doesn't give you free reign to invent crimes.
because of his own contradictory statements on the very subject.
because mueller has already indicted how many people? how many gave guilty pleas? how many already flipped?
never mind the fact that his idiot son decided to try and get dirt from a russian lawyer, then try to lie about and say it was about adoption.
and THEN, trump firing comey over "the russia thing" and then making up other stories about why he fired him doesn't help whatsoever.
lets be real Daytna: how much of this could've been avoided if Trump possessed the ability to keep his damn mouth shut?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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