Well the contract only kicks in once a President has already secured the election. And the electoral college has only voted against the popular vote 3 times in our history, I really see this as no big deal.
But to get to your first point, maybe it's because the people believe the local and state government are too incompetent to do anything? I heard that the state gave Nestle a great deal on a water supply the other month. So that might be why they're clamoring for fed oversight? In the same type of way that Trump wants to send the feds to Chicago?
I do see a big deal. Let's say Connecticut votes a majority to elect candidate A, but candidate B wins the popular vote. Why do the voters of Connecticut even have a need to vote?
As I said earlier, if you can lock up elections simply by winning 6-7 big states and the metro areas, this country will fall apart.
"A direct popular vote would treat all Americans equally, no matter where they live — including, by the way, Republicans in San Francisco and Democrats in Corpus Christi, whose votes are currently worthless."
Each state would only cast their EC votes to the popular vote winner of the nation... it is not the popular vote of each state...
But the electors represent their state.
It's sad that it seems younger people discount state sovereignty. This country isn't set up as a democracy. It is a republic of independent states.
Since Civics was long ago banished in schools by the liberal left, most people don't understand the difference.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
That is a dangerous statement you just made. If that was the case, black folks might still have a hard time casting a vote.
As I said earlier, our country isn't a democracy. It is a Republic.
Please man, take the time to understand the difference.
Majority rule isn't as good as it sounds.
If states rights weren't important, there probably wouldn't even be a Senate where each state gets 2 representatives. It would just be the house which grants representatives based on population.
There is a reason why EC delegates aren't bound by their states popular vote. It is one last defense against the popular vote electing a madman or woman.
The hope is that there is a chance the delegates can nullify the popular vote.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I get wanting to get rid of the EC. States shouldn't benefit for making their constituents seek out other states. Also, horribly run states, shouldn't have an equal say as competent states. I think the EC makes more sense, if your vote counted for whatever state you grew up in.
If this comes to fruition it's going to deal a serious blow to the GOP. They will have to run candidates that the other 60% find trustworthy and likable! Good luck GOPers.
Because Hillary Clinton was so likable and trustworthy?
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
If this comes to fruition it's going to deal a serious blow to the GOP. They will have to run candidates that the other 60% find trustworthy and likable! Good luck GOPers.
Because Hillary Clinton was so likable and trustworthy?
That is a dangerous statement you just made. If that was the case, black folks might still have a hard time casting a vote.
As I said earlier, our country isn't a democracy. It is a Republic.
Please man, take the time to understand the difference.
Majority rule isn't as good as it sounds.
If states rights weren't important, there probably wouldn't even be a Senate where each state gets 2 representatives. It would just be the house which grants representatives based on population.
There is a reason why EC delegates aren't bound by their states popular vote. It is one last defense against the popular vote electing a madman or woman.
The hope is that there is a chance the delegates can nullify the popular vote.
That is a dangerous statement you just made. If that was the case, black folks might still have a hard time casting a vote.
As I said earlier, our country isn't a democracy. It is a Republic.
Please man, take the time to understand the difference.
Majority rule isn't as good as it sounds.
If states rights weren't important, there probably wouldn't even be a Senate where each state gets 2 representatives. It would just be the house which grants representatives based on population.
There is a reason why EC delegates aren't bound by their states popular vote. It is one last defense against the popular vote electing a madman or woman.
The hope is that there is a chance the delegates can nullify the popular vote.
I knew that was coming from somewhere...I was trying to have a serious discussion.
It certainly didn't seem to work this time...
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
If Connecticut wants to give away their sovereignty, shame on them.
Stats have rights. It doesn't matter how big a state is, they are all equal. All this does is give the populated states more say in matters. If this is how it goes, a person might only need to win 5-6 states.
That isn't how the founding fathers wanted it to be. Leave it to Dems to come up with a bad idea.
How is that giving up their sovereignty?
If I understand this correctly, the popular vote would elect the president and VP.
If you are saying that the Republicans wouldn't stand a chance of ever winning again, I think I agree with you.
But then again, what's it say if the majority doesn't agree with the Republican party? If that's the case, why wouldn't it be fair to have the Majority rule.
I don't view this as the Dems want to control anything anymore than how Republicans do.
Both sides want to win. Isn't it time that we take it away from them and put it back in the hands of the People?
Just sayin
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
In the last election President Trump carried 30 states. Mrs. Clinton carried 20.
Somewhere you have to weigh the rights of the states in their governance. I don't think it is a healthy balance if 5-6 states can control elections. That would divide the country in a hurry.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I fail to see what this changes in Conniticut...the seem to always vote blue and give their votes to the Dems anyway...They gave their votes to HRC and Gore both..What will really be bad is when they vote blue and the popular vote is red and it forces the "blue voters" to become red.
the real issue with The EC is that winner take all crap...the EC votes of a state should be awarded based on the vote of particular congressional districts with an extra vote going to the winner of the states plurality of votes.
The popular vote theory would never fly in a country where states openly flaunt violating election laws by allowing non-americans the ability to vote...why should an illegal infested sanctuary city or cities in CA or Chicagoland stuff the ballot box with illegal alien voters
The popular vote theory would never fly in a country where states openly flaunt violating election laws by allowing non-americans the ability to vote...why should an illegal infested sanctuary city or cities in CA or Chicagoland stuff the ballot box with illegal alien voters
This is something that Trump made up completely and used to ramble about because he was cranky over losing the popular vote.
After taking office, he set up a hand-picked commission and funded it in order to prove the vast number of illegal immigrants voting, and was furious when he was told there was no way to prove it, since it never happened.
If it does not happen then why at states like CA on record doing motor voter registration and admitting that they give illegals drivers license while at the same time fighting against Real ID laws and voter Identifcation at polls??
Majority rule only works if you're also considering individual rights. Because you can't have five wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper. - Larry Flynt
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
If it does not happen then why at states like CA on record doing motor voter registration and admitting that they give illegals drivers license while at the same time fighting against Real ID laws and voter Identifcation at polls??
I'm not sure I follow what this barely coherent statement regarding California's AB-60 driver's license program has to do with Trump's made up claim you're parroting that illegal immigrants are casting votes en masse that affect the popular vote.
If it does not happen then why at states like CA on record doing motor voter registration and admitting that they give illegals drivers license while at the same time fighting against Real ID laws and voter Identifcation at polls??
Its actually worse that that ... now when u get a drivers license or renew your drivers licenses in Cali your automatically registered to vote ... dont even have to check a box ... so drivers licensce = registered to vote ....
In Cali illegals can get drivers licensce .... its the law ....
So illegal goes and gets DL and is now registered to vote ...
But hey ... im sure none of them did ... u know ... the honor system ... ...
I was very sincere in my question as to what your barely coherent ramblings regarding the AB-60 license program have to do with you parroting Trump's made up claims regarding illegal immigrants affecting the popular vote.
I had pointed out that Trump launched a commission to prove that this happened, hand-picking the committee, and then got angry and promptly dropped it when they told him that no such thing happened and they were wasting time.
You then started rambling about California driver's licenses, and I was confused.
If it does not happen then why at states like CA on record doing motor voter registration and admitting that they give illegals drivers license while at the same time fighting against Real ID laws and voter Identifcation at polls??
Its actually worse that that ... now when u get a drivers license or renew your drivers licenses in Cali your automatically registered to vote ... dont even have to check a box ... so drivers licensce = registered to vote ....
In Cali illegals can get drivers licensce .... its the law ....
So illegal goes and gets DL and is now registered to vote ...
But hey ... im sure none of them did ... u know ... the honor system ... ...
What website/talk show host is duping you guys into believing this stuff?
In the last election President Trump carried 30 states. Mrs. Clinton carried 20.
Somewhere you have to weigh the rights of the states in their governance. I don't think it is a healthy balance if 5-6 states can control elections. That would divide the country in a hurry.
What? If you can trust the People? Are you saying we can't trust the people?
So what about the states. He didn't win the popular vote..
We are the UNITED states of America. Not the United states of only those that voted for Trump!
honestly, I think we're heading for another Civil War with the way some folks talk. If they don't think like you, they must be bad....Geez
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#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Yet you've given zero links to back up any of your claims. Hmmm....
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What about people in the country illegally who are able to obtain driver's licenses in California under a law passed in 2013?
Padilla noted that there is already a separate process for residents in the country illegally to apply for special licenses. Although citizens are currently offered the opportunity to register to vote at the DMV under an earlier federal law, noncitizens are not. That will continue under the new registration process. People applying for the special licenses will not be asked about their eligibility to vote and will not be asked if they’d like to opt out of registration.
“We’ve built the protocols and the firewalls to not register people that aren’t eligible,” Padilla said. “We’re going to keep those firewalls in place."
You will follow the same new California driver's license application process as described above, paying close attention to: •Your Social Security number*. The DMV might waive this if BOTH of the following apply to you: •You are not authorized to work in the country or are otherwise ineligible. •You can provide an acceptable birth date/legal presence (BD/LP) document.
•Your birth date/legal presence (BD/LP) document. •This document shows your birth date and legal presence in the country. •The DMV verifies this document with the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). •The state provides a full list of documents, but examples include: •Employment Authorization Card. •Valid I-94. •Temporary Resident Identification Card.
* Learn more about applying for a SSN at the Social Security Administration's Social Security number website.
Timing is a factor, too. If your BD/LP expires: •More than 30 days from the day you apply for a driver's license, your application process will move forward normally. •Fewer than 60 days from the day you apply for a driver's license, you can take all your tests but you won't receive a photo driver's license card until you present another BD/LP document that's valid for 60 days or more from the date of your application.
After you've met all requirements and the USCIS has verified your legal presence, you'll receive your driver's license. Your driver's license is considered a: •Limited Term (LT) driver's license if your BD/LP expires fewer than 5 years from the date you applied for your license. •Full driver's license if your BD/LP expires more than 5 years from the date you applied for your license.
NOTE: Again, you do not need a new California driver's license if you possess a valid diplomatic driver license from the U.S. Department of State.
Applying for a California Driver's License
How to get a driver's license with the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV): •Visit your local CA DMV office. •Complete a Driver License or Identification Card Application (Form DL 44). •Provide proof of your identity. •Pay the $35 driver's license fee. •Pass the written test. •Pass the road test. •For more details on the California licensing requirements, please see below.
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I am curious as to Proof of identity. I couldn't find what constitutes as to what would be accepted. A cable bill? a phone bill? birth certificate?
Yet you've given zero links to back up any of your claims. Hmmm....
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What about people in the country illegally who are able to obtain driver's licenses in California under a law passed in 2013?
Padilla noted that there is already a separate process for residents in the country illegally to apply for special licenses. Although citizens are currently offered the opportunity to register to vote at the DMV under an earlier federal law, noncitizens are not. That will continue under the new registration process. People applying for the special licenses will not be asked about their eligibility to vote and will not be asked if they’d like to opt out of registration.
“We’ve built the protocols and the firewalls to not register people that aren’t eligible,” Padilla said. “We’re going to keep those firewalls in place."
Do you know what "honor system" means? It means any claim you make isn't subject to verification.
From your link:
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Information about anyone who does not decline registration will be electronically transmitted from the DMV to the secretary of state’s office, where citizenship will be verified and names will be added to the voter rolls.
They just parrot something they heard on talk radio, and then when questioned they post a link to the first Google result, that often directly refutes their point because they didn't bother reading past the first line or two.
The article willetvachange posted to back his claim that it's an honor system with no verification explains the verification process in the second paragraph.
Not to mention, this whole issue came up due to some nutty claim that we couldn't have a popular vote due to mass illegal voting in "LA and Chicagoland", which is the repetition of an insane Trump rambling that Trump himself had to back off of after he shoveled money trying to prove it with a commission that struck out so bad they couldn't even offer up tepid face-saving.
California is responding to accusations that a new program allows illegal immigrants to vote.
On April 16, the Golden State will automatically register motorists who obtain or renew a driver’s license to go to the polls.
“The New Motor Voter Program will automatically register customers to voter, if eligible, during driver license, ID card, or change of address transactions,” the DMV said in a statement. “A customer can choose to opt out of the process. Undocumented Californians are not eligible to register to vote, and DMV has programming measures to prevent that from occurring.”
But California Republican Party Chairman Jim Brulte who previously appeared on FOX Business with the charges, pushed back Thursday against the DMV’s statement. He said there is proof that the changes make it easier for undocumented workers to get a driver’s license and vote.
“If they don’t opt out and the systems aren’t 100% fool-proof … we have some evidence of people who are here illegally who have not opted out and are registered to vote, and our field people have picked up some of that,” Brulte told Stuart Varney on “Varney & Co.” More From FOX Business
The “The Safe and Responsible Drivers Act,” signed into law by Gov. Jerry Brown in 2015, allows undocumented immigrants to obtain a legal driver’s license in the state.
More than 1 million undocumented immigrants have received California driver’s licenses, as first reported by The Sacramento Bee.
“Democrats in California are in denial,’ Brulte added. “They believe no voter fraud exists, and they are wrong.”
Eleven others including Washington, D.C., Colorado, Maryland and Illinois allow illegals to apply for driver’s licenses with proper documentation.
When people go to the DMV to obtain or renew a driver's license, or to get a state identification card, they’ll be asked for the usual information in such transactions, such as their name, date of birth and address. They’ll also be asked to affirm their eligibility to vote and will be given the choice of opting out of registering at that time. Information about anyone who does not decline registration will be electronically transmitted from the DMV to the secretary of state’s office, where citizenship will be verified and names will be added to the voter rolls.
ahh yes, sending the information to the people who give notice of ICE raids and undermine immigration law - they will stop it!
Forget the AB60 bill....they only had about 650,000 licenses issued in first year....I would be more concerned about millions of illegally obtained DL via ID theft of BC and SSN and all other forms of document theft that is rampant in the illegal underworld. Those can be registered to vote, but I am assuming you will tell me that ID theft is not real and doesnt happen or that the criminals commiting ID theft wont take time to vote.
I love how you guys fell from "illegals would alter the popular vote" to "it's the Wild West in CA! Honor system!" to "there have been a few instances that needed to be weeded out" in like a half hour.
Like clockwork for every single one of these "there's widespread voter fraud" things comes up.
You do realize that was a mayor and not the DMV, right? That the two are in no way connected, right?
you realize it says the info will go FROM the DMV to secretary of state office (alex padilla). Im pretty sure we know his stance on immigration and enforcement.
Forget the AB60 bill....they only had about 650,000 licenses issued in first year....I would be more concerned about millions of illegally obtained DL via ID theft of BC and SSN and all other forms of document theft that is rampant in the illegal underworld. Those can be registered to vote, but I am assuming you will tell me that ID theft is not real and doesnt happen or that the criminals commiting ID theft wont take time to vote.
I'm saying that your claim that we couldn't have a popular vote because it would be at the whim of illegal votes cast in "LA and Chicagoland" is laughably untrue.
This whole thing started when Trump assumed he would lose the election, and wanted to lean on "voter fraud" as his excuse. After winning, he was fuming because people kept bringing up the popular vote, so he funded a commission to be headed up by Kobach or one of those other nativist weirdos who believed there was rampant voter fraud. He had to abandon it, because the commission tasked with proving it could only come up with a dozen or so instances, the majority of which were frauds cases involving people voting Trump.
Does voter fraud occur in the U.S.? Yes.
Is it rampant? No.
Like, Trump himself - a grudge-holding man hold- has given up the ghost on this one.
You do realize that was a mayor and not the DMV, right? That the two are in no way connected, right?
you realize it says the info will go FROM the DMV to secretary of state office (alex padilla). Im pretty sure we know his stance on immigration and enforcement.
From "it's an honor system, check out this link that plainly states it's not an honor system" to "OK, maybe it's not an honor system, but I don't trust the Secretary of State because he's Hispanic" in under 10 minutes.
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