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With his insistence on wanting to enlighten us all on the "Art of the Deal" Glenngary Glenn Ross-wannabe ballroom seminar tactic?

He'd probably qualify as a professor.

I love that they all know and have no problem conceding that Trump is completely oblivious of the situation and never bothered to learn even the basics of what it entails, but they're more or less won over by the persona he presented as a game show host.

Hey, I know that Brennan guy!

He lied to Congress twice and had to apologize

Search it and see.

Trumps whole life is a lie. You don't get to point fingers.

Imagine pulling out from a complex international accord you don't know the first thing about, simply because of the rage you felt at being less popular than a guy you resent because he's black.

Looks like Russia, China, our old allies are going to try to keep this deal together without the US, effectively sidelining Trump and rendering new sanctions moot.

Of course they are. The EU will most likely as well.

which will be interesting to see how that plays out.

Trump's sanctions will most likely attempt to punish anybody attempting to make deals with iran, so this will be a potential blow to iran and the european markets it was being able to access.

will trump make good on it?

did trump make good on sanctioning China and Russia when they were caught red handed assisting NK after harsher sanctions were imposed on NK?

nope.

I don't really think so.

The only reason Trump wanted to do this was because of his rage at Obama being better received than him. Now that he can say "I got rid of it", I doubt he'll have much more interest or engagement.

Dude has the attention span of a gnat.

The only way I see something like that happen is if he gets hammered in the press, and he won't win he limited scope of press he absorbs.

man, if there's no follow through, then it really was pointless, not that it wasn't already stupid to do to begin with.

He doesn't even know the first detail about it. Hell, I'd bet he doesn't even realize it was multinational and other countries were involved.

All he ever wanted to do was get up at a rally in front of his hooting rubes and say "Terrible deal, Obama was weak, I could've done better."

Now he gets to say "I got rid of it", and they'll hoot even louder.

I think a misconception about Trump is that he's some dead-set war hawk...he's just a cranky old man that wants to see himself portrayed on TV and in general media.

Could he be talked into war? Sure, he can be talked into anything. But it's not his default.

Kim Jong Un Is Watching Trump's Iran Decision, Chinese Envoy Says

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un will be eyeing closely what Donald Trump decides on the Iran nuclear deal, with potential repercussions for their upcoming summit, according to China’s former ambassador to Pyongyang.

“The DPRK is watching,” said Liu Xiaoming, China’s current envoy to the U.K., who served in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea from 2006-2009. “If you walk away from a deal agreed to by your previous administration, it will set a bad example.”

Chinese President Xi Jinping met with Kim over the past two days, the second meeting between top officials of the allies in less than two months.

Liu reiterated China’s support for the 2015 deal, which suspended Iran’s nuclear fuel program in exchange for a relaxation of economic sanctions. Speaking in an interview in Bloomberg’s London office, the veteran diplomat said China hoped a consensus could be maintained to keep the agreement alive, adding that dumping it would be a “setback.”

The U.S. signed the deal under former President Barack Obama along with Iran, China, France, Germany, Russia and the U.K. Trump has consistently attacked it, saying it doesn’t do enough to address threats from the Iran’s ballistic missile program and its involvement in regional conflicts. He’s expected to announce at 2 p.m. Washington time if he plans to withdraw U.S. support.

Breakout

Iran has threatened to pull out, too, if that happens -- raising the prospect that it could ramp up its nuclear enrichment program again. Tehran had been within months of a so-called breakout -- the point at which a country can produce a nuclear bomb -- in 2015, according to analysis by The Washington Institute.

As the representative of North Korea’s most important economic and trade partner, Liu had rare insight into the isolated regime at a time when a previous international deal aimed at restraining that country’s nuclear ambitions collapsed. Pyongyang tested its first nuclear bomb in 2006, and is now thought to have dozens of warheads. The testing of ballistic missiles last year that North Korea said were capable of reaching the U.S. brought the issue to a head.

“When it comes to North Korea, based on my experience, there will always be two steps forward and one step back. Sometimes one step forward, two steps back,” said Liu, asked if the regime could be frustrating to deal with.

Still, while a recent summit between Kim and South Korea President Moon Jae-In wasn’t unique (two under previous leaders had limited long-term success) this time is different, Liu said, because the U.S. is engaged at a much higher level. In Liu’s day, U.S. contact with North Korea was at the level of assistant secretary of state or ambassador -- Trump would be the first U.S. president to meet a North Korean leader since the end of the Korean war in the 1950s.

‘Virtuous Cycle’

“We will try to do our best to make sure people are talking, rather than resort to what we call a risk cycle of retaliation; we are looking for a virtuous cycle,” said Liu.

That kind of lengthy diplomatic crawl may not satisfy Trump. He has attacked previous U.S. administrations’ efforts to negotiate incremental deals with North Korea as flawed -- and none of those were as tough or intrusive as the deal with Iran. His new secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, said he doesn’t think North Korea is overtly concerned about whether the U.S. withdraws from it.


“Some people say there are so many unpredictable leaders in the world today,” Liu said. “So we have to be careful with predictions.”

AP FACT CHECK: Trump vs. truth on the Iran nuclear deal

WASHINGTON — In withdrawing the U.S. from the Iran nuclear deal, President Donald Trump outlined a rationale that contradicted the analyses of U.S. and foreign intelligence sources. A look at his remarks Tuesday, announcing that the U.S. was getting out of the deal and re-imposing sanctions that had been lifted in return for curbs on Iran's nuclear program:

TRUMP: "The agreement was so poorly negotiated that even if Iran fully complies, the regime can still be on the verge of a nuclear breakout in just a short period of time." ''In just a short period of time, the world's leading state-sponsor of terror will be on the cusp of acquiring the world's most dangerous weapons."

THE FACTS: This is unsupported by intelligence and other analyses. Iran was thought to be only months away from a bomb when the deal came into effect. But during the 15-year life of most provisions of the accord, Iran's capabilities are limited to a level where it cannot produce a bomb.

Already the deal has set its program back. Experts believe if Iran were to leave now, it would need at least a year to build a bomb.

Trump's comments suggest that Iran is cheating on the deal. But in the time since the nuclear deal, the International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly confirmed Iran was complying with the terms. That finding is also shared in the main by U.S. and Israeli intelligence officials, though the Trump administration argues Iran exceeded limits on heavy water production.

After the 15 years are up, Iran could have an array of advanced centrifuges ready to work, the limits on its stockpile would be gone and, in theory, it could then throw itself wholeheartedly into producing highly enriched uranium. But nothing in the deal prevents the West from trying to rein Iran in again with sanctions. The deal includes a pledge by Iran never to seek a nuclear weapon.
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TRUMP: "This disastrous deal gave this regime — and it's a regime of great terror — many billions of dollars, some of it in actual cash. A great embarrassment to me as a citizen, and to all citizens of the United States."

THE FACTS: It's not true that world powers paid billions to Iran. The deal allowed Iran to regain access to its own money, which had been frozen abroad as part of the sanctions that were lifted. As for Iran specifically getting some cash, that refers to a debt the U.S. had with Iran dating to the rupture in relations in the 1970s. Iran, under the shah, had paid the U.S. some $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered because the Islamic revolution cut off ties.

That transaction was one of many complex claims that took decades to sort out in tribunals and arbitration. For its part, Iran paid settlements of more than $2.5 billion to U.S. citizens and businesses left short when relations ruptured.
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TRUMP, referring to allies: "We are unified in our understanding of the threat, and in our conviction that Iran must never acquire a nuclear weapon. "

THE FACTS: Such unity is conspicuously lacking. Most allies are not in agreement with the U.S. on the threat posed by Iran. They believed the deal was sufficient to constrain the threat; Trump doesn't. Britain, France, Germany and others appealed to the U.S. administration not to withdraw. Among top U.S. allies, Israel agrees the deal fell short; others don't.
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TRUMP: "We will not allow American cities to be threatened with destruction, and we will not allow a regime that chants 'death to America' to gain access to the most deadly weapons on Earth."

THE FACTS: Iranian missiles are not capable of reaching U.S. cities. Both technical limitations and orders from Iran's supreme leader have restricted the range of ballistic missiles manufactured in the country to 2,000 kilometers (1,240 miles). That puts them in targeting range of the entire Middle East, including Israel and U.S. bases in the region, but nowhere near the continental United States.
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TRUMP: "Making matters worse, the deal's inspection provisions lack adequate mechanisms to prevent, detect and punish cheating. And don't even have the unqualified right to inspect many important locations, including military facilities."

THE FACTS: The deal gave inspectors wide latitude to do their work in Iran but not unfettered access everywhere.

The International Atomic Energy Agency can inspect any declared nuclear site at any time. It also can request access to any other site deemed suspicious. Iran has 24 days to allow such an inspection. If Iran refuses, an arbitration panel weighs the request. Inspectors have placed some 2,000 tamper-proof seals on nuclear material and equipment, and installed a network of surveillance cameras at nuclear sites.

The agency says its staff is spending twice as many days in Iran than it did in 2013.

I would love for someone to ask Trump to explain the basic framework of the pact.

His answer would read something like this...
“I had a briefing with some very good people about the pact. The best people. The pact was discussed. It was a great discussion. We really do have great discussions. You know who else has great discussions? Fox and Friends. Great show. Really great show. So much fake news out there...”

More or less, probably.

But I do think one of the biggest failures of American media is to ask him point blank for a basic explanation of things as he understands it.

Dickerson is kind of good at that- their last sit down interview he got Trump to reveal he doesn't understand what health insurance is or how the ACA worked.

I still miss Tim Russert.

"Bug-eyed Timmy was very UNFAIR to me this morning! NASTY guy!"

I guess their "DEATH TO AMERICA "rallies for 40 years before and after the craziest deal given to sworn enemies by Barry,and giving them a pathway to get the most destructive weapon known to man is a great idea to the haters .....Hell they,re probably pulling for NO. KOREA also .... SMH

How did obama give them a pathway to a destructive weapon by making a deal that’s prevents them from developing a destructive weapon?

I swear some of y’all are the most clueless people I’ve ever met.

They always seem to think it was a weapons pact. They also always appear to be under he impression that it was negotiated solely by Obama. They also - somehow (?) are under the belief that the deal allowed them to pursue nuclear tech, rather than abandoning it (I always just assumed it was something they heard on "Hannity" or whatever, I never bothered to find out).

And if you ask them why they think it was "crazy" or "weak" or "bad" they just end up sputtering and revealing that they don't have even the slightest clue as to what the deal actually was.

They just know they hate it.

Obama made a deal with the devil Trump ended it and now we will have to pay for it ...

Before any of you jump me for my previous statement, let me say I hate politics because all it does is separate friends, family, churches etc... Both sides are guilty of separating our nation, I did not vote yesterday for the first time in more than 40 years because there isn't anyone honest enough to vote for, all they do is verbally bash each other, I know I will vote again, but my heart and spirit wouldn't let me this time, I LOVE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and hope one day we return the words of the constitution that say

"Of the PEOPLE by the PEOPLE and for the PEOPLE ... Rant over God Bless our great Country ...

PS. I won't be going into any debates or arguments over this because it is JMHO just like you have yours ... Blessings

If that was your measuring stick, I suppose you didn't vote for president in 2016 either. Because the exact same rule applied.

Did you not read what I said " I did not vote yesterday for the first time in more than 40 years" ...

So you just now decided to use honesty as a gauge for candidates. Got it.

Among other things

Perhaps we should have stayed out of their rebellion and civil unrest in 1979.. instead Carter picked a side.. he was wrong... they hate us for it.

As for the saying itself, I have heard several Iranian leaders express that it is regarding American policies and interventions.. it has nothing to do with them wanting you or me dead.. or anybody physically dead for that matter...


Yes, anybody who is not all on-board with loving Trump and hating Obama just hates America.. that's it in a nutshell.

They're also not too fond of the fact that we killed 300 people when we fired a missile at a civilian airplane flying over Iranian waters.

An alum of Cleveland State University's John Marshall College of Law!

As I stated on past posts that I am not enamored with Trump I don't love or hate the guy and the same goes for Obama, but I glean from your post that IRAN [the LARGEST state sponser of terrorism IMO,] is directly behind the horrific slaughter of millions are the victims, and America deserves what it gets from a rogue nation of oppressors, human rights violaters because you and others hate Trump and I truly believe that.

That's how I add it up

That's a lot to glean from one post where I didn't mention any of that stuff.

All I said was that we have a nasty habit of sticking our nose into other countries business.. and more often than not it bites us in the arse and then we sit around puzzled at why they don't like us.

We fuel revolutions, try to pick winners and losers regardless of what those people want, invade to overthrow legally elected rulers... but to turn your sentiment around, I think you believe that those other countries have no reason to hate us because America hasn't done anything wrong except try to help them...

1) Saudi Arabia is the world leader in sponsoring terrorism, and it's not even close. Iran doesn't even make the top three

2) Having concerns with Trump withdrawing from a deal he clearly doesn't know the first thing about because of his jealous rage towards Obama is hardly trivial.

Like, agree with the deal or not, backing out of a multinational agreement solely because of Trump's emotional anger is not a good thing. It should concern everyone that the president withdrew from a pact with another nation without knowing a single thing about what it entails.

3) The whole "rogue nation of oppressors and human rights violators" argument kind of falls flat, seeing as Trump just sold $110 billion in weapons to the world's leading sponsor of terrorism, who he has often (correctly) claimed was responsible for 9/11

This is from the U.S. State Department.

No one else in the world believes this but the people trying to build a case for invasion.

Saudi Arabia is unquestionably the world's leader in terrorism acts and funding. Our State Department would never say that because we fund them.

After Saudi Arabia, the United States is the second world leader in terrorist acts and funding.

After that, there's a sincere debate that could be had.

The State Department gets its info from the CIA, NSA and Military.

Which is precisely why it's a slanted opinion that doesn't really merit discussion in an honest look regarding the world's leaders in terror. It's quite literally state sponsored propaganda.

That entire group has been constantly wrong on just about everything in the last several decades, especially when it comes to the Middle East.

the same organizations that said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction?

For those being gullible enough to buy the "world leader in terror" line, let me ask:

Name the 5 worst atrocities/terror acts either carried out by or funded through Iran.

Take your time, pick out your 5, and then we'll compare them with those of Saudi Arabia and the U.S.

That was congress, no?