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But if its allowed to be there anyway ... your going to detect it ... how do know what levels were theres 23 and a half days ago ... oh wait .. i forgot .. THEY’LL TELL US there self inspecting ... problem solved ... silly me ...  ... And if its no biggie ... Why is even 24 hours needed if your doing nothing wrong? ... why could u possibly need 24 days ... Thats the question none of u lefties will touch with a 10’ pole ... But keep babbling on about being able to detect uranium after 24 years ... even though its meaningless ...  4 Because of the half life of the remaining uranium. It's not that hard, fam. They just can't make uranium disappear. Also getting enough enriched uranium would take multiple months. What exactly do you think you'll find in 24 hours that you would not in 24 days? If you're pathological about them dismantling their equipment and obscuring the evidence, then what does the timeline matter? Certainly what they do in 23 days they could do in 23 hours. What exactly do you wish to give up to get an inspection within 24 hours? How do you balance that while also trying to make them give up regional military and political power? I've answered your question, if you do not like the answer, it's still an answer.
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what would you have done?
i want a detailed breakdown. lets go.
and then, after the breakdown, would, and why would iran agree to your terms? still waiting. again, i'm not the one who has a problem with the deal. yall are. so what would you do? You replied to yourself...but I assume you are pointing at me or Diam. I wouldn't have changed anything with Iran until they demonstrated that they were worthy of change. What prompted the negotiations in the first place?
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so you would've let them develop nukes then?
so if you would've never done the deal....WHATS YOUR ALTERNATIVE? how many different ways do i have to ask that? and how many different ways will you dodge it. so if you wouldnt do the deal, what would WSU do to stop iran from getting nukes?
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and as Pit just said, you're rolling with chuck over Mattis, pompeo, and others?
i dont EVER want to hear you say a word about the dems, seeing as you're willing to hook your wagon to a democrat.
all your post trashing liberals and dems...lmfao. you cant be taken seriously. I don't hook my wagon to liberals or democrats or conservatives. When a liberal comes up with an idea, I read about it and determine what I believe. What I've pointed out in this thread - and what you have demonstrated - is the typical liberal debate tactics. I've not declared liberals as incapable of good ideas. However, I've seen all too many times the debate tactics of the angry liberal...it's so predictable and has been demonstrated in this thread over and over again. I've not lied and you've not proven that I have...you just disagree...so I must be lying. I have a different opinion so I must be unknowing. I don't and didn't trust Iran...you do. A bad deal is dead and I'm happy about that. Sorry Willie but you come in defending Trump with talking points that are nowhere to be found other than Fox News... How did you think liberals would react. We've heard how all of our news and our investigative reporters are FAKE NEWS, and how we are too smart snowflakes crying tears for so long that we just react to you like another cancer cell. I see exactly what you are saying and understand that you wholeheartedly believe it. But in our view you have been lied to and mislead, or are aware you were lied to and have no issues perpetuating that lie. Simple as that. There is nothing more uncommon than common sense. - Frank Lloyd Wright Talking points found nowhere but Fox News? I've been pretty clear in this debate that my opinion has been formed MOST by Chuck Shumer's letter. Fox News? I watch Fox News...CNN...and MSNBC. I read things on the internet from both "sides". Why do liberals always get so wound up about where conservatives get their news? Why don't conservatives retort back with "Well...you watch CNN?" You know why? Because we are too busy debating the facts surrounding the issue. It's like the 'my Dad can beat up your Dad' argument. Facts come from lots of places. I didn't use the term "Fake News" but ...once again...certain news outlets have repeatedly gone with wrong stories in their hatred for Trump. They've earned the moniker. I don't think Chuck Shumer lied in his letter. It's quite deep and thorough. But...of course...I must be lying.
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so you would've let them develop nukes then?
so if you would've never done the deal....WHATS YOUR ALTERNATIVE? how many different ways do i have to ask that? and how many different ways will you dodge it. so if you wouldnt do the deal, what would WSU do to stop iran from getting nukes? I've answered your question...you just don't like it. I don't see what Iran had done to earn a deal...so I would have continued with the sanctions. Under the sanctions, they have not been able to develop a nuke. What did Iran do to earn a deal?
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points found nowhere but Fox News? I've been pretty clear in this debate that my opinion has been formed MOST by Chuck Shumer's letter How, exactly, is "I was informed by Chuck Schumer" supposed to be less embarrassing than "I was informed by FOX News"?
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so you would've let them develop nukes then?
so if you would've never done the deal....WHATS YOUR ALTERNATIVE? how many different ways do i have to ask that? and how many different ways will you dodge it. so if you wouldnt do the deal, what would WSU do to stop iran from getting nukes? I've answered your question...you just don't like it. I don't see what Iran had done to earn a deal...so I would have continued with the sanctions. Under the sanctions, they have not been able to develop a nuke. What did Iran do to earn a deal? so, i guess its safe to assume you werent aware that they were indeed developing their nuclear program even with the sanctions in place. thats pathetic, and you just informed everybody you dont know anything about the situation.
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points found nowhere but Fox News? I've been pretty clear in this debate that my opinion has been formed MOST by Chuck Shumer's letter How, exactly, is "I was informed by Chuck Schumer" supposed to be less embarrassing than "I was informed by FOX News"? Well...Chuck had a vote and expressed a very logical argument against the deal. What's embarrassing is having to deflect from actual facts by using insults. It's quite telling.
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my god, just think about this for a second.
WSU just went around and around, yet come to find out, he was completely clueless about why the agreement came about in the first place.
Iran were developing their program even WITH the sanctions in place. thats why we decided to negotiate and come up with the agreement.
my god.....the ignorance displayed around here is staggering.
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so you would've let them develop nukes then?
so if you would've never done the deal....WHATS YOUR ALTERNATIVE? how many different ways do i have to ask that? and how many different ways will you dodge it. so if you wouldnt do the deal, what would WSU do to stop iran from getting nukes? I've answered your question...you just don't like it. I don't see what Iran had done to earn a deal...so I would have continued with the sanctions. Under the sanctions, they have not been able to develop a nuke. What did Iran do to earn a deal? so, i guess its safe to assume you werent aware that they were indeed developing their nuclear program even with the sanctions in place. thats pathetic, and you just informed everybody you dont know anything about the situation. Could they build a bomb? Have they built a bomb? Can they build a bomb when the dead deal would have reached sunset? Why won't you answer the question as to what did they do to earn the deal in the first place?
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my god, just think about this for a second.
WSU just went around and around, yet come to find out, he was completely clueless about why the agreement came about in the first place.
Iran were developing their program even WITH the sanctions in place. thats why we decided to negotiate and come up with the agreement.
my god.....the ignorance displayed around here is staggering. So...you believe that Iran was on the path to unlimited nuke capability and decided that if we gave them money, they would suddenly stop?
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Could they build a bomb? Have they built a bomb? Can they build a bomb when the dead deal would have reached sunset? No, no and no.
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my god, just think about this for a second.
WSU just went around and around, yet come to find out, he was completely clueless about why the agreement came about in the first place.
Iran were developing their program even WITH the sanctions in place. thats why we decided to negotiate and come up with the agreement.
my god.....the ignorance displayed around here is staggering. So...you believe that Iran was on the path to unlimited nuke capability and decided that if we gave them money, they would suddenly stop? Isn't this the basis of the North Korea deal? On the path to unlimited nukes, despite heavy world sanctions, but are giving them up for economic development.
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So...you believe that Iran was on the path to unlimited nuke capability and decided that if we gave them money, they would suddenly stop? 1) We didn't "give" them money. If I steal $20 out of your wallet, and then return it later, I didn't give you $20 2) If that's truly your conception of the Iran deal, might I suggest informing yourself via materials more factual and coherent than the Schumer letter?
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my god, just think about this for a second.
WSU just went around and around, yet come to find out, he was completely clueless about why the agreement came about in the first place.
Iran were developing their program even WITH the sanctions in place. thats why we decided to negotiate and come up with the agreement.
my god.....the ignorance displayed around here is staggering. So...you believe that Iran was on the path to unlimited nuke capability and decided that if we gave them money, they would suddenly stop? Isn't this the basis of the North Korea deal? On the path to unlimited nukes, despite heavy world sanctions, but are giving them up for economic development. If we reach a pact with North Korea, yes, it will be precisely like the Iran deal.
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I wouldn't have changed anything with Iran until they demonstrated that they were worthy of change. What prompted the negotiations in the first place?
Do you believe that the election of Rouhani showed the characteristics of a defining shift from the previous regime? If not, why exactly is that? Saying you can't trust Iran, isn't an answer.
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If we reach a pact with North Korea, yes, it will be precisely like the Iran deal.
What the US wants and what will happen seem to be on two different poles right now. Moon is really taking the lead on this one, I'm sure they'll be able to sell it to Don pretty easily.
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So...you believe that Iran was on the path to unlimited nuke capability and decided that if we gave them money, they would suddenly stop? 1) We didn't "give" them money. If I steal $20 out of your wallet, and then return it later, I didn't give you $20 2) If that's truly your conception of the Iran deal, might I suggest informing yourself via materials more factual and coherent than the Schumer letter? Ok...give them back their money. That doesn't change the point.
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anyway, i think ive made my point quite clear. time to go practice with the girls outside in the rain.
oldest got a cannon arm, and she's pitching on the softball team.
soft..like trump.
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You still haven't answered my question. What did Iran do to earn a new deal?
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Could they build a bomb? Have they built a bomb? Can they build a bomb when the dead deal would have reached sunset? No, no and no. So...the sanctions were working and we got away from the sanctions and gave them BACK the money that the world was withholding from them due to their behavior. Got it.
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You still haven't answered my question. What did Iran do to earn a new deal? For the third time, up their nuclear energy program. It was the entire impetus of the deal. Please, Willie, do some basic research before repeatedly asking questions that could be answered with a Google query.
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I wouldn't have changed anything with Iran until they demonstrated that they were worthy of change. What prompted the negotiations in the first place?
Do you believe that the election of Rouhani showed the characteristics of a defining shift from the previous regime? If not, why exactly is that? Saying you can't trust Iran, isn't an answer. Another bump.
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Could they build a bomb? Have they built a bomb? Can they build a bomb when the dead deal would have reached sunset? No, no and no. So...the sanctions were working and we got away from the sanctions and gave them BACK the money that the world was withholding from them due to their behavior. Got it. Name the countries that froze their assets, name the countries that were opposed to unfreezing the asses once the deal was struck, and name the countries that in hindsight wished they hadn't unfrozen the assets. Also, you're deflecting because you asked a trio of questions whose answers refute the point you're trying to make. Once again: No. No. Can they build a bomb when the dead deal would have reached sunset? No.
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I wouldn't have changed anything with Iran until they demonstrated that they were worthy of change. What prompted the negotiations in the first place?
Do you believe that the election of Rouhani showed the characteristics of a defining shift from the previous regime? If not, why exactly is that? Saying you can't trust Iran, isn't an answer. Another bump. I think a 'defining shift' and actual actions are two very different things. I don't think Iran did or showed anything to earn a new deal.
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I wouldn't have changed anything with Iran until they demonstrated that they were worthy of change. What prompted the negotiations in the first place?
Do you believe that the election of Rouhani showed the characteristics of a defining shift from the previous regime? If not, why exactly is that? Saying you can't trust Iran, isn't an answer. Another bump. I think a 'defining shift' and actual actions are two very different things. I don't think Iran did or showed anything to earn a new deal. So a moderate who wants to work with the US wins in an unprecedented landslide and immediately opens diplomatic channels and starts negotiating a deal is not action? Factually speaking, that is illogical. That is like saying Donald Trump is not acting and nothing has changed since Obama. Do you see how illogical that statement is?
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I wouldn't have changed anything with Iran until they demonstrated that they were worthy of change. What prompted the negotiations in the first place?
Do you believe that the election of Rouhani showed the characteristics of a defining shift from the previous regime? If not, why exactly is that? Saying you can't trust Iran, isn't an answer. Another bump. I think a 'defining shift' and actual actions are two very different things. I don't think Iran did or showed anything to earn a new deal. So a moderate who wants to work with the US wins in an unprecedented landslide and immediately opens diplomatic channels and starts negotiating a deal is not action? Factually speaking, that is illogical. That is like saying Donald Trump is not acting and nothing has changed since Obama. Do you see how illogical that statement is? It's a start for sure. Is it enough? No...not yet.
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lol ok. As long as you say so.
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lol ok. As long as you say so. Isn't that how opinions work? Does Iran still have the same Supreme Leader? Do they still sponsor/support missile attacks against Israel? I don't think they had done enough to garner a new deal. You/Swish/OCD etc can have the last word.
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lol ok. As long as you say so. Isn't that how opinions work? Yeah, but opinions work completely different than facts. Sorry for assuming that you valued logic. Clearly you don't.
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During the RAPE ... there leaders were saying they were going to destroy Isreal .. they said they will WIPE ISREAL OFF THE MAP many many times during the two year rape process ... That sounds like someone u can trust ...  ...
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The REVISIONIST HISTORY from the lefties on this one is way more over the top than usual ... and thats a pretty damm high bar ....
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Iran marches its troops over our Flag everyday.
Iran chants "Death to America" everyday.
Who gives a rats butt what they think.
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Iran marches its troops over our Flag everyday.
Iran chants "Death to America" everyday.
Who gives a rats butt what they think. Pretty much how I feel about Iran too, but backing out of the nuclear deal without a solid wtf now plan was stupid. Israel will drag us into war there now, watch. I'm sick of wars in the sandbox.
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Iran marches its troops over our Flag everyday.
Iran chants "Death to America" everyday.
Who gives a rats butt what they think. Do Saudi Arabia next.
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Iran marches its troops over our Flag everyday.
Iran chants "Death to America" everyday.
Who gives a rats butt what they think. Do Saudi Arabia next. Saudis are no damn better. They are just as bad.
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Iran marches its troops over our Flag everyday.
Iran chants "Death to America" everyday.
Who gives a rats butt what they think. Do Saudi Arabia next. Saudis are no damn better. They are just as bad. They're far, far, far worse.
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The REVISIONIST HISTORY from the lefties on this one is way more over the top than usual ... and thats a pretty damm high bar ....
Speaking of History, do you remember when President George W. Bush declared the members of "The Axis of Evil? Interesting to see where those Nations are today... Bush's "Axis of Evil" comprised Iran, Iraq, and North Korea. "Beyond the Axis of Evil" comprised Cuba, Libya, and Syria.
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The REVISIONIST HISTORY from the lefties on this one is way more over the top than usual ... and thats a pretty damm high bar ....
Speaking of History, do you remember when President George W. Bush declared the members of "The Axis of Evil? Interesting to see where those Nations are today... Bush's "Axis of Evil" comprised Iran, Iraq, and North Korea. "Beyond the Axis of Evil" comprised Cuba, Libya, and Syria. 40 is citing the the "Axis of Evil" and appears to think it was insightful.
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