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Determine who " should " have a gun ? That's a pretty narrow slice of the population I would think .
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I hope you don't include me in that screed.
I'm on the record here as saying we should do absolutely nothing about guns. And I've said it more than once.
Devil called me 'cynical' the first time he read it. I think it took him by surprise.
There is no fixing this. Pandora's box was opened decades ago, and we now we have 1.01 guns per every man, woman and child.
Wet streets and shot-up schools are the price America must pay for some of us (good guys AND bad guys) to exercise his/her rights to keep and bear arms.
Freedom isn't free.
And the cost doesn't end after the guns and rounds have been purchased.
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Also weird how the left won't even consider armed guards in the schools when the last couple of shootings were stopped by armed guards. Casualties limited. It works!
Now we have another case of no armed guards and everybody dies until police arrive!
SHAME! The school had armed security...
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Also weird how the left won't even consider armed guards in the schools when the last couple of shootings were stopped by armed guards. Casualties limited. It works!
Now we have another case of no armed guards and everybody dies until police arrive!
SHAME! The school had armed security... LINK?
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Also weird...
The Santa Fe Police Department confirmed explosive devices were found at the campus of the high school and the "surrounding areas adjacent to the school." The school has been evacuated and the campus was cleared, the Santa Fe Police Department said.
Guess we gonna need new Bomb laws too!
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Perhaps we need Bomb Bans? Mental hospitals for potential bombers?
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Perhaps we need Bomb Bans? Mental hospitals for potential bombers? I haven't seen a report yet on the type of gun used. Usually its one of the first things they report. I think its pertinent as the shooter is a 17 year old.
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Perhaps we need Bomb Bans? Mental hospitals for potential bombers? I haven't seen a report yet on the type of gun used. Usually its one of the first things they report. I think its pertinent as the shooter is a 17 year old. From this link....witnesses said it appeared to be a shotgun https://www.yahoo.com/news/live-updates-shooting-santa-fe-texas-high-school-150311016.html
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if it was shotgun, it backs my point made weeks ago...this is not about the AR15 and hi-cap mags....I said that an 870 with 5 round of 00 buck would likely kill 5-10 people without reloading in a crowded setting.
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How does one get a rifle or shotgun into a school...and dont give me the duffel bag spiel...kids dont carry duffel bags...carrying a duffel is kind of a red flag in my book.
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At Least 10 Killed In Shooting At Texas’ Santa Fe High School http://5newsonline.com/2018/05/18/active-shooter-reported-at-texas-santa-fe-high-school/A school security officer was shot and injured, along with two students, Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said. An armed person walked into an art class at the school and began firing what looked like a shotgun, a witness told CNN affiliate KTRK. The school has three armed school security officers on campus and security cameras, Rabon said. A letter sent out by the Sante Fe Independent School District after the Parkland, Florida, shooting said the school district’s police department, directed by Chief Walter Braun, “includes seven full time and five part-time officers, all trained in current nationally standardized protocols to respond to emergency and active shooter situations.” Santa Fe, Texas, near Houston, and explosives were found in and near the high school, law enforcement officers reported.
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It surprises and saddens me how we have seen current federal laws that do (supposedly) exactly what some people say they want federal laws to do ....... and yet people still say that we need more federal laws. (which will not work)
We, as a people, concentrate on all the wrong reasons for these type of crimes.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I don't understand why they can't secure schools like they do sporting events and government buildings why do late night talk show hosts have better security than the children do?
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It surprises and saddens me how we have seen current federal laws that do (supposedly) exactly what some people say they want federal laws to do ....... and yet people still say that we need more federal laws. (which will not work)
We, as a people, concentrate on all the wrong reasons for these type of crimes. Many of the laws are good but have been caught up in politics like everything in this country. There does not appear to be the will to enforce them throughout the Nation.
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I find it odd that it was not touched upon on here the type of gun, nor was it reported on anywhere except for witnesses. seems like because it doesn't fit their agenda. Since it wasn't an AR the news cycle on this shooting will end in a couple days, as the left will not be able to use it as propaganda - therefor the story will be useless in their eyes.
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I don't understand why they can't secure schools like they do sporting events and government buildings why do late night talk show hosts have better security than the children do? That falls on both parties - sadly. It would cost millions, so the right conservative side typically is not for that. On the flip side, it actually would limit these situations, then what would the left use for fear for their cause to abolish the 2A? They don't want these to stop until they can abolish the 2A. sad.
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It would cost tens of billions of dollars PER YEAR to have the right amount of armed security in every school in the united states, as well as making sure they are maintained to be safe buildings. Your state taxes would go up by 25% or more. This was based on back of the napkin math on my part back in the parkland case, but I would bet my numbers are on the low end of the true cost scale.
As for lefts and fear, we're all Americans. We need to stop making this a left and right thing, and make this a "how do we stop kids from being murdered" thing.
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It happened again!
edit: shocked and appalled. I'm pretty sure this time will be the last. I mean... with all those thoughts and prayers flying about. Sooner or later, one of them has to work. right? U guys will keep running around IGNORING THE FACTS and pointing your fingers and screaming about gun control and backround checks and not a dam thing will get done ... Ya’all don’t even know what u want other than to keep whining about NOTHING GETTING DONE ... Its all about some sort of gun control with ya’all when the fact is that won’t solve the problem ... Can we discuss one entry point at schools with security ... NOPE .. Can we talk about allowing teachers that would like to carry to carry ... NOPE .. Those things could happen by next Sept. ... and either or both of those can’t be the only step(s)...... if we did ban all the “assault” type weapons how long U think it would be before that became law and the guns that we know of are confiscated ... thats not going to happen between now and Sept ... And the guns are just a part of the problem ... i have no problem talking about or implementing REASONABLE SOLUTIONS including FIXING a lot of our gun laws ... in what world does it make sense to go to a gun show and basically be able to pull out cash and pay for a gun like u were buying beer ... but banning guns or changing “backround” check laws (that we currently ignore) isn’t going to solve this problem .... Is it a step ... ABSOLUTELY ... but please ... lets quit kidding ourselves and think if we ban “assault style” weapons and enforce the backround check laws on the books and tighten them up this problems going away ... Right now it sounds like this dude had a shotgun ... IF thats true are we going to ban hunting shotguns? ... banning assault weapons would SLOW them down NOT STOP them ... i’m Pretty sure we all want this STOPPED!!! Our school children are SITTING DUCKS for many types of attacks until we secure them properly ... and this just in ... the scumbags among us aren’t getting any nicer or dumber ...
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Reports are that there were 3 armed guards on duty.
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Then lets have the security conversation. To secure the schools in Ohio would raise your state taxes 26% per year. It would cost billions of dollars PER YEAR I don't see why it wouldn't be similar in other states if you don't live in Ohio, unless that state has property tax only like Texas, in which case your property tax would go up significantly more, because not everyone owns property. I will quote a post I made in the parkland case a few months ago outlining my math. I'm also not accounting for training, permits, and a whole slew of other 'gotchas' that inflate cost. I think my figure is low, but even if you disagree, I don't see how you could accomplish these safety measures without spending billions of dollars a year. A school tends to cost on the order of hundreds of dollars a square foot. So to build a new school will cost that community tens of millions, perhaps over 100 million dollars. Even if we could account for that, guard them properly is showing to be a problem. The parkland shooting happened with a resource officer who did not go into the building. If our plan is to guard it like a prison, that is 1 guard per 9 students. Ohio has 1,729,916 students so we would need 192,213 guards at a salary of $43.5k each. That means our operating costs for armed security is 8.3 Billion a year (With a B), on top of the (lets estimate) $75million for the new school construction. Amortized over a 30 year loan, that's 2.5 million USD a year. Ohio has 3,538 schools so that is 8.4 Billion a year (With a B) to create the new schools. source source 2
So that means to rebuild all schools to be like prisons in safety, and add guard security would cost 17,206,265,500 Dollars a year. It is safe to say this number would only go up, because even though schools would be paid off after 30 years, the functional age is closer to 16 source . Additionally, you'd have to account for COLA for the guards as they won't like to be paid 43.5k 10 years from now.
So to accomplish your suggestion, we would need to fund an additional 17.2 BILLION (With a B) per year into the Ohio public education system to make our kids safe from gun violence. The state of ohio collects $49 Billion in taxes, meaning this increases the state budget by 26%. The entire ohio state budget right now is 17% dedicated to schools. So we would be more than doubling our current school expenditures.
I guess the bottom line is that if you think the answer to the gun problem is that schools are soft targets, our taxes will have to go up significantly. So significantly that it would be very painful for all but the wealthiest Ohioans (and other states if enacted). It's easy to see that a plan such as this would not gain traction in the state legislature.
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I don't understand why they can't secure schools like they do sporting events and government buildings why do late night talk show hosts have better security than the children do? That falls on both parties - sadly. It would cost millions, so the right conservative side typically is not for that. On the flip side, it actually would limit these situations, then what would the left use for fear for their cause to abolish the 2A? They don't want these to stop until they can abolish the 2A. sad. As others have stated retired military and police would make good candidates and be cost effective. Put them through mental and physical testing, check their backgrounds. Have military or police or other such as FBI trained in securing a building to do evaluations on the schools, the money spent on gun control and endless bickering could fund part of this. Actors and others paid millions of dollars for the march of the students maybe a few will donate for this. Just some ideas to build off off or ignore but blaming a tool isn't going to help.
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Reports are that there were 3 armed guards on duty. I have been searching and can't confirm that from any majors. Do you have a LINK besides that blog you posted earlier?
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Reports are that there were 3 armed guards on duty. I have been searching and can't confirm that from any majors. Do you have a LINK besides that blog you posted earlier? The blog linked to videos from Fox News. It was a Fox News report. Your boys, remember?
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"The suspected shooter taken into custody by police in Santa Fe, Texas, has been identified by US media as teenager Dimitrios “Dimitri” Pagourtzis, who apparently posted a picture of himself on social media bearing the words “Born to Kill”.
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Thanks Vambo. 3 armed guards at the school and still this happened. I guess I need to reconsider armed guards being the answer.
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I'm getting to the point that I truly believe that some libs here are shamefully looking forward to the school shootings just to push their false narrative against the Trump administration and the GOP, While their elected liberal congressional leader is defending the honor MS 13 the deadliest gangs from Latin America Actually MS-13 is an American gang founded in Los Angeles.
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"The suspected shooter taken into custody by police in Santa Fe, Texas, has been identified by US media as teenager Dimitrios “Dimitri” Pagourtzis, who apparently posted a picture of himself on social media bearing the words “Born to Kill”. Also posted a picture of a pistol and a knife on Instagram with the caption "hey (explatives". I'm glad they got him and another suspect in custody. Most of the time at least one person knows beforehand.
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Theres a lot more cost affective ways to secure our schools a little better than paying for 1 resource officer for every 9 kids ...
Thats not a reasonable solution or anythng close to what i threw out ...
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3 armed guards at the school and still this happened.
I guess I need to reconsider armed guards being the answer.
Armed guards and/or teachers carrying is a PART OF THE SOLUTION ... or could be ... There is no one solution to this ...
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One of the armed guards is in critical condition ...
The report i heard is that the gaurd stopped the shooting ... it wasn’t enough but thank god for him or the number of innocent children lost would have been greater ....
He had just retired from the Houston PD in 18 ...
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Theres a lot more cost affective ways to secure our schools a little better than paying for 1 resource officer for every 9 kids ...
Thats not a reasonable solution or anythng close to what i threw out ...
Provide us with the cost effective way Diam. Don't say there is one, and then not provide one. I've put up my reasoning. You don't get to say someone is wrong without providing an alternative. You claim to know how math works, but seem to have trouble grasping how to argue a claim. How do we make schools at least as safe as my proposal, for significantly less money? One order of magnitude would suffice. Since you're the boards math genius I'm sure you know what I mean here.
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Theres a lot more cost affective ways to secure our schools a little better than paying for 1 resource officer for every 9 kids ...
Thats not a reasonable solution or anythng close to what i threw out ...
Provide us with the cost effective way Diam. Don't say there is one, and then not provide one. I've put up my reasoning. You don't get to say someone is wrong without providing an alternative. You claim to know how math works, but seem to have trouble grasping how to argue a claim. How do we make schools at least as safe as my proposal, for significantly less money? One order of magnitude would suffice. Since you're the boards math genius I'm sure you know what I mean here. I am but a humble student of Diam's but I do believe the math equation, since money is your concern in these matters, begins with what value you would place on the life of each of these children killed.
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One of the reports I saw at lunch said that it was an AR-15 "type" weapon and he was throwing pipe bombs when he entered the building but they don't know how they were triggered
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One of the reports I saw at lunch said that it was an AR-15 "type" weapon and he was throwing pipe bombs when he entered the building but they don't know how they were triggered Story I just looked up said the earlier reports of an AR-15 were wrong. He said the shooter, who police identified as 17-year-old Dimitrios Pagourtzis, used a shotgun and a .38 caliber revolver, and that he did not legally possess them.
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I’m currently reading “Never Split the Difference” ... its a book about negotiating someone suggested to me ... its a good read by the way, gonna have to thank the person that recommended it to me ...  ... Anyhow i guess I haven’t gotten to the chapter yet where being a condescending ass is a good tactic in a discussion .... *L* .... First i would like to have a talk about it and brainstorm it ... i never said i had all the solutions .... i said getting rid of assault weapons and strengthening backround check laws we all ready don’t enforce is not the SOLE solution to this problem ... and even if we started that process today ... how long would it take to change the law and then how in the hell do u get back all the assault weapons when so many are bought illegally and legal owners can just say they gave them away ... A few ideas i’ve heard that i like ... and this is a MULTI STEP SOLUTION problem ... u just can’t do one thing ... and please share yours and comment on the ideas i’d like to explore ... - one or two entry points from off street access to the schools with a security check .... - one or two entry doors to the schools with medal detectors at them .... - allowing teachers that want to carry to have the training be allowed too ... - more armed guards ... not one per 9 students ... this may get scrapped due to cost ... - more sensible gun purchasing laws ... such as the gun show BS in many states ... - strengthening and ENFORCING the backround check laws .... After Parkland I heard gov. Scott say they were going to start putting in bullet glass in the windows so no one could shoot through the windows ... And dawg ... theres a difference between not understanding and/or not being able to do the math and just not wanting to take the time to do the math .... 
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