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Oh, it is WAY too early to try to read any tea leaves here.... it's just nice to know that real work is actually happening now.

What's so funny is you think you know how the careers of Mayfield and Rosen will turn out before either one has taken a snap in the NFL.

Magic 8 ball?

Aaron Rodgers went at #24. So there's that. Entitled one? lmao

See, I actually like to see them play before making proclamations. It seems, f you bother to read the entire thread, that many agree with that.

As a Browns fan, much like you I certainly hope BM turns out to be a great QB. I want nothing but the best for him, the Browns and us as fans. You claimed that we found our franchise QB for a long time. If you can't see how speculative that is and how some people would call you on that then you can't be helped.

Are they sneaking estrogen into your medication?

At this stage of Baker Mayfields career, it's just as logical to predict he will fail as it is he will be a franchise QB. Neither opinion holds any water.

Funny how this didn't draw a "Pure Football" comment.

And tab, go for it. I'm not playing this dumb game w/you.

Well you know how it is when the usual suspects are involved. One side of speculation and nastiness is more acceptable than others.

Of course they are speculated to be a "franchise QB' whether 1-2-3 years down the road. I cannot fathom anyone thinking otherwise...

Lol. That's been going on here since Couch vs. Holcomb. Some people just get bent out of shape when others don't agree with them.

For the reoord, I wanted to believe the Browns have, Finaly found their franchise quarterback,

With, Weeden, With Manziel, With, uhh, Garcia, with uhh, Derek Anderson, with uhh several guys.

I believe the Browns FINALY have found their franchise quarterback of the next 3 years + in Baker Mayfield. Actually 10+ years hopefully.

And if he doesn't win a game in the next 3 years, we already have the Hue Jackson precedent of giving him more time.

^^^ Are you kiddin, he's going to probably be the winningest Qb the Browns have had since Couch and then some.

How quarterback hands are measured

When scouts look at measurables at the combine, the hand measurement they receive is a thumb-to-pinky length. The quarterback's hand is placed palm down against a flat surface to be measured. According to a report from The New York Times, the length of the average male hand is 7.44 inches. For an NFL quarterback, it's 9.6 inches.

Michael Vick: 8 1/2
Tony Romo: 8 7/8
Jared Goff: 9
Colin Kaepernick: 9 1/8
Teddy Bridgewater: 9 1/4
Matt Ryan: 9 1/2
Johnny Manziel: 9 7/8
Cam Newton: 9 7/8
Carson Wentz: 10
Matthew Stafford: 10
Russell Wilson: 10 1/4
Drew Brees: 10 1/4
Brett Favre: 10 3/8
Dak Prescott: 10 7/8

link

Ya know back when I was in junior high and high school the girls had a very similar hand size preference too not sure how well that translated in all situations either.

Either the guy has hand strength or he doesn't IMO. Does he lose his grip when hit? Does he not throw a spiral at all? I mean seriously out of all the real nonsense. The QB can either play or he can't, his pre NFL career should speak for itself. At this point it's not about his physical traits it is way more about does he have what it takes up stairs to progress at this level. IMO by the time you are drafted into the NFL it is the mental side that determines if you succeed or if you fail.

So it's not your hand, it's how it works, like Maria Muldaur (?) song title, "It Ain't the Meat it's the Motion." Sorry for crudity, but some of those guys were successful. Some measurables and concerns just get obsessed over and exaggerated.

I suspect his hands are OK.

j/c:

Is anyone going to talk about Baker Mayfield? Or is this nonsense going to continue forever?

Let me try:

I was extremely upset when we made Mayfield our first overall pick. I wrote about his skill set several times prior to the draft. I think he has a lot of issues to overcome on the field.

I have to admit that I don't care for him as a person. The incident where he threw a ball and injured another player before the game started was awful. I have always hated "jocks" like that. There were many when I was growing up. Your surrounded by your team and you commit a gutless act like that. Sorry, that is poor character in my view.

The only thing that makes me feel a little better about the pick is that allegedly other teams such as NE had him rated high, too.

Obviously, I am not a NFL scout and don't have the knowledge and expertise that the pros do. Hopefully my assessments of Mayfield are way off and he will truly become worthy of being drafted first overall in a pretty good draft class.

I didn't want Mayfield, and I was rather ......... irritated .... when we took him over Darnold.

However, he is here now, so I hope he becomes the best QB in the draft.

I also never said that Mayfield is a bum, but rather that I questioned his upside.I think that he has a solid enough floor, and will be a Teddy Bridgewater type, at the worst. I think that we can win with him, but that he won't be able to carry the team to victory. I hope I am wrong about that, and that Mayfield has real upside I just don't yet see, I do like that he takes care of the ball, doesn't fumble or throw interceptions, holds that ball up nice and tight in the pocket, and had very good accuracy and ball placement. Dorsey likes him, so we'll see.

I do think that Darnold could become a real superstar. I like his ability to create when plays break down. I think he's special in that regard.

Mayfield is now our future, so I hope we chose wisely.

Nice Ytown. I wanted Rosen but now that baker is here I gotta get behind him and hope he becomes a great player in the NFL.

Interesting. Nice at the 2 minute mark talking about his presser with Ward. Also the part about him not going to the Cavs game and all quiet on the social media front. Kudos.

I was worried about one thing with Rosen, and that is the risk that he will get snapped in half in the NFL. He takes too much abuse, and doesn't have the ability to move and protect himself in the pocket. (IMHO, of course) I think that his arm is everything anyone could want, but I fear that he will be Bradford II. (Ironic, as he is playing with Bradford in 'Zona now)

Rumors had it that our medical staff flagged Rosen for concussions, so that may be the case

If this kid fails its not going to be because of lack of effort or focus .....

No clue how this is going to play out but the kid has a chance .... accurate, smart and a great work ethic .... that gives u a shot .... here’s to hoping ....

I really don't see failure with Baker. It may be considered a failure by some since he was the 1st pick, but I see his floor a little higher than Tyrod at minimum. It might even be higher than that.

He checkks all the boxes as far as play and ability are concerned. Having a plus arm and being accurate are two of the biggies. He may need a little help with scheme, but in the end I see baker as being a really good QB. I don't see him as limiting how far the Browns can go.

What makes you say he is so accurate? The reports? Or, have you really seen him make big-time throws into tight windows?

Ugh. This is simply not true. We've been through this before. You weren't able to show proof then and I'm sure you can't provide proof now. Stop the lies. I'm not sure why things like this are continually made up but people have their agendas obviously.

Are you saying Baker didn't hit him in the head with the ball, or that the injury didn't happen?

That's it in a nutshell - including the "here's hoping" part. And it'd be the exact same paragraph more or less with Darnold or Rosen as the #1 pick .... I don't know that you'd lead with the effort/focus comment. To me that BM owns and deserves that based on 1. always overcoming challenges and having to earn his place on each team he's been on. 2. His effort and dedication to date as a Brown has been exemplary.

I think any other talk or rather nit picking and posters claiming that BM isn't this or that - or 'their guy' was better because of whatever - is just sour grapes. Talk about watching tape or games and film or reading stats is hogwash. Dorsey watched all the games. He's got a successful track record as a pretty darn good talent evaluator in the NFL ... he had BM as the #1 in the draft. And that doesn't come without showing accuracy, grit, leadership & play making ability (as a package) above and beyond the other QB's in the draft. Not only Dorsey but other talent evaluators on the the Browns. Not only that but from every report I have seen at least 5 or 6 other teams valued him the same way. . . So yes - it boils down to sour grapes on the part of the BM detractors. They think their opinion is better and more qualified and more important than the guys on the Browns and various other teams. And no doubt in some instances maybe many, in the past they may have been right. But I just don't get the hating on the kid or the reluctance to get on board with what you just wrote Diam.

Posters on an online chat board don't get to watch every game or every play - every throw ... not generally. And if they DO watch more than another poster does it mean their opinion is more valid? their opinion is better? . . . That's sort of a double edged sword. If you want to say "YES" .... then it would also translate that the Dorsey has certainly watched more tape than any poster on this board. And instead of being a wannabe - he is a pro. So if you want to say YES to the above argument, it would then follow that Dorsey's opinion is more valid and better than any one on this board. I didn't say he's infallible - just that if you want to talk about how much more tape you watched vs someone else, it's not a winning argument. My point being that it doesn't rubber stamp the debate one way or the other. I have a lot of faith and trust in pro football focus. Is my opinion less valid because of that? Those guys are pros too - should I not take thier opinion at face value? If I do - does it mean I lose any argument with someone that watched more tape of a different QB? I watched BM, Rosen and Darnold tape. I didn't watch any Mason Rudolph or Allen tape .... does that mean I shouldn't comment?

What's so dang hard about moving on and wishing the kid lives up to his potential. Wishing him well. Judging him by what he says, does and how he conducts himself as a Brown? At this point my conclusion is that if you can't do that then your dang ego is too dang big. . . it's a you problem not a BM problem.

It never ends.......

Intelligent discussion is discouraged and personality attacks are encouraged.

Yes sir. You just proved it.

There is a long post explaining the comments - but instead of reading that you post some gibberish. Well done.

Okay. I'll quit posting on the subject.

What more is there to post? You liked a different QB better? That's cool. Nothing wrong with that. Hopefully you were wrong.

The other QB's people liked more than BM aren't on the team. BM is. We've been through 5 weeks of post draft rhetoric and criticism of the picks and people highlighting their perceived inadequacies of BM as a QB and as a human being. I haven't seen a new take on BM for weeks. . . . at what point do we move on and root for the guy to prove the doubters wrong and hope he exceeds even his biggest supporter? Regardless of pre-draft opinion?

I was a pre draft fan - he's exceeding my expectations so far based on his commitment to the team and OTA's. He's conducted himself with a total football first mentality to date. That's the new things we can judge him on since the draft. And pre-season and what we see on the practice field is the only real new source of talking points at this point..... Unless it's sour grapes and people want to re-write what they've already written multiple times before.

No it's not, it's trying to point out observations.


Gimme a Break, So what! This is a Browns' board, all DT regulars have been following this team for several years, Do you know how many names you could replace the word "Dorsey" up there with over the last several years;

whether GM, HC, Coordinators, Vice president's of player personel's , or even whatever Holmgren, or Wolfe, whomever was, or were.

(the Fact that Dorsey liked him, means "Dorsey" liked him and it was HIS call, that's it.)

The simple fact, the BROWNS! change their team exex's every 18 months, and I've been reading Dawgtalkers' regulars for 2O YEARS!!!

means No regular poster(s) on DT's needs to blindly trust what these team officials are doing without having their own opinion until they start to prove it in Cleveland, no matter WHAT resume they bring to town.




Fluff piece. Show us in September!



No. It's observations and comments on such.



100 words to say Trust Dorsey? , Dawgtalkers, or any Browns fan who has been following this team for 20+ years deserves the right to have a wait and see prove it to me attitude if they wish.



The last part? The definition of Sour Grapes again? No comment, I'll pretend I didn't read it.

And I Like Baker Mayfied best of the bunch

As I’ve said. I’m done speculating.

Show me.

When you "point out observations" endlessly - literally dozens and dozens of saying the same thing over and over ad nauseam, without any new thought, argument, news, games played or even practice sessions ..... no, it's not discussion or debate. It's ego.

Show me. I agree with that 100%. It's what I said in response to Diam's post. I also added that "show me" would now be appropriate whoever we drafted at QB with the first pick.

Thanks.

Not at all.... 100 words to highlight that "I watched the tape - did you?" isn't a winning argument for either side. I stated clearly it doesn't prove the argument for either side. No-one is saying blindly trust Dorsey and if that's what you got out of it, that's not the message.

Not sure if you feel you need to stick up for Vers or why you felt the need to jump on me. But if you want a discussion get the talking points on point.

Mayfield did in fact hit a TCU player in the head with the football during warm ups of their game. That's not a lie. Stating facts doesn't mean you have an agenda. It means you're presenting facts.

I never claimed it wasn't a fact. Never said he wasn't short.

What I said was that his character and bad choices made as a collegiate athlete have been discussed and detailed..... endlessly. The facts haven't changed but the same posts have been made endlessly. . . . to what aim? I don't think any BM supporter wants to bring the immaturity he's shown in the past and display it on the field for the Browns. . . . how many posts about him running from the police, or not shaking hands, or throwing the ball at a player are needed? 20? 40? 60? I bet we're approaching that number. . . . what's new or different? What is different today than it was 4 weeks when it was all discussed after the draft?

Actually it was device who said it was a lie. My bad.

I don't know that continuing to point it out actually accomplishes anything. Yet it's really not so different than people acting as though a pattern of poor behavior is not something some should be concerned about.

It's pretty simple really. One side says, "There's nothing to see here". While the other side says, "I can't believe you don't see it".

I certainly hope it was just immaturity in a young kid that is or soon will be behind him. As a Browns fan I'm rooting for the kid. We've needed a damned QB for too long!

But there has been somewhat of a pattern to this point. One that I'm going to sugar coat or pretend simply doesn't exist.

There's video of the throw. But there's no corresponding injury with said throw. That simply is not true, but is continually mentioned. It's just agenda posting nonsense.

I did say it was a lie because it is.