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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I think you must admit, having more people imprisoned than nations with much larger populations than us means there's something much deeper going on here.
Don't think a law should require someone to be in prison, change the law. I am not for ignoring it. I believe weed should be legal for everyone. However at this moment its not. Change the law. but we are talking about gun laws - that topic has or the overpopulation topic has no bearing on the fact we do not prosecute, nor uphold gun laws.

Gun laws, they should not be plead down - in fact, I argue they should be more strict in regards to the penalties.

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I know you guys list 40 as a "troll", yet his question still has not been answered. How much does a kids life worth? Apparently its worth paying guards overtime.

I don't have a dollar value in mind but make no mistake, society has assigned a value.... we do it all the time. It is certainly not infinite.


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Trying to figure out why all of your ideas involve taxing law abiding gun owners to protect kids from criminals...


DC, Arch...you don't like the idea of the NRA helping to make our kids safer at school by paying a tax or fee on the sale of every gun or membership?... or having a portion of their yearly membership fee go toward the purchase of safety equipment to help make our kids safer at school?

Inmates get paid too link ...any inmate found guilty of committing a crime using a firearm could be a target for a tax, with the proceeds going toward school safety.

Gotta make our schools safer..this idea that it won't happen at my school is simply gambling with the lives of kids. It won't stop until we do something to stop it!




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It would just be a money grab that ended up not going where it was supposed to go.

Just like when Ohio decided to use the lottery to 'fund' schools. Great idea. Where's the money? Oh - the state took it.



Where's the social security money? Oh, the federal gov't. uses it for other things.

You want the NRA to help fund school security. Cool. Shouldn't the local schools be funding their own security? Shouldn't the states be funding that?

I think the Romaine lettuce growers should be taxed to offset the poison they've been sending out.

Tax fast food restaurants for the garbage they put out as 'food'.



Oh. By the way, the NRA does contribute. To safety training. And many other things.

I think we ought to tax the sick people to help pay for health care. After all, the sick people are the ones using it, right?

And, tax the hell out of automobile drivers that haven't had an accident. Because, after all, cars kill and maim every day.

Tax the hell out of retirees that get a pension. They didn't do anything wrong, other than live too long, but they are costing money. Right?

But, as to your point more specifically: I think the contributions auto workers make to the UAW should be taxed to help pay for the damage autos do to society. You would agree, right?


Dude, where does the "just need more money" crap stop? Here's the answer: It doesn't.

And your inmate thing? That's just.....I don't even know how to describe it.

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I see part of the problem is social media, kids shouldn't have Smart phones they just need to be able to phone home. There are predators on the internet who prey on these types of kids. That's where parenting comes into play to monitor the kids use and who they are online with, may seem like an invasion of privacy but it's better their kids are not in trouble or worse.


So the problem isn't that the kid easily got a gun and murdered several classmates, it's phones with data plans? Solution aversion strikes again.


No it's what caused him to get a gun and murder several classmates.

You're stuck on guns no point in any more debating with you you're closed minded.

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I am also very much against of the 1 entry point idea. All someone would have to do is pull a fire alarm, and sit and wait for the cattle to be herded to the corridor for slaughter. One entry point means one escape route.




No it doesn't. You enter a movie theater at one enty point by have multiple exits.


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He had a gun before he was radicalized by incels/far right people

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He had a gun before he was radicalized by incels/far right people


And freedom of speech isn't the problem here, although I do believe that parents/gun owners should be liable if their guns are used in a crime. I'm sure his pop wouldn't let his kid flex on the gram, if he knew that he could get 10 years in prison.

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sure, you can start with reversing the crap policies you white people made when it comes to parenting kids.

ya know, how yall basically made it a problem for people to spank their own kids.

or the white politicians who decided that drugging all of our kids just because they cant sit still is better than actually parenting the child to behave.

that came from your neck of the woods bro, and you damn well know it.

i wouldnt had normally made this post, but the crap ticks me off that minority parents always catch heat for gang violence and all this crap, but guys who look like you catch very little heat in comparison despite the fact that its your kids shooting up schools, bombing federal buildings and and out here throwing temper tantrums just because they dont get what they want.

i mean damn, another white kid shot up a school, and here's riley talking about MS 13?

explain that. because from my view, thats a complete deflection.




I am getting tired of you racist comments.


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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
He had a gun before he was radicalized by incels/far right people


I love how 'incels' is the new buzzword now. Well, right next to the buzz phrase "dog whistle".

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Too bad they aren’t racist.

Just like the cheerleader who liked your post, you couldn’t refute anything I said.


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Unfortunately the only way to keep schools guarded without a significant increase in federal spending would be to place active duty personnel in schools, as 5eyre alresdy getting paid a salary anyway.

Obviously, that isn’t gonna fly.


I'm not buying this excuse, the government can't afford to add security to protect students...

...maybe the NRA could help out?..long shot, I know.

...how bout the federals and states pass taxes on gun and ammo sales 100% ear marked to fund school security.

...maybe an import tax on guns manufactured overseas and imported for sale into the USA.

...tax on reloading equipment and supplies.

But the idea of the NRA chipping in to help protect America's future generations seems to be a sound idea, imo. Instead of NRA members giving to help support political parties, NRA members should be more than happy to give a few dollars to protect their own sons and daughters...granddaughters and grandsons...kind of a no brainer.

Just a few ideas....






So only NRA members should be responsible for protecting our children?....lol


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He had a gun before he was radicalized by incels/far right people


I love how 'incels' is the new buzzword now. Well, right next to the buzz phrase "dog whistle".


Yeah 2010 pop culture and 90's sociology are crazy worlds. You just gotta be a Chad at the end of the day though.

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Too bad they aren’t racist.

Just like the cheerleader who liked your post, you couldn’t refute anything I said.



Sounds like it to me.


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Oh well.


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As to the white people who don't spank their kids, drug kids. Those are mostly the ones you align with when you vote. I don't vote with those people. To be honest, I don't even like to be around them.


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That would be Arch. To you, Sir Arch.

I'm a traditionalist? If that's the term.

I believed in spanking, and did. About twice, with both of my kids.

Oh, drugging all the kids that can't sit still? I was, and AM against that. But, you did say "white politicians" that decided that. (hey, how did politicians get medical licenses to decide which kids get drugged? And why did the black politicians not do the same?)

Dude, you paint with too broad of a brush.

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We all Vote with people who don’t completely align with our views.

If that existed, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.


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Sir arch?

Yep, gonna call you by your government name now.

So let’s see what Nonsense Tim posted.

Scrolling....

Yep, a whole lot of nothing. As usual.


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Once again, showing your lack of class. Kudo's to you.

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We all Vote with people who don’t completely align with our views.




Then why do you always call out people that voted fro trump as being 100% for everything he does, says, or did?

Can't have it both ways. And yeah, I'll keep it classy.

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Because trump is a draft dodger who most likely obstructed justice and collided with a foreign government.

It’s too easy to blast you trump supporters for that. There’s no moral equivalence there whatsoever.

And why mention class? I don’t like or respect you. This isn’t anything new please grow a pair.


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And why mention class? I don’t like or respect you. This isn’t anything new please grow a pair.


Wow. Another classy post.

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Just for you bro.


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Tulsa mother smiles after 'stabbing her 11-year-old daughter up to 70 times, branding her "evil" and setting the house on fire'

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we're posting random murders, now?

Man rams car into his family at restaurant, killing two

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obviously, the biggest issue here was there was too many exits at the restaurant.


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Gage and CHS,

I can tell you anecdotally from my experience that Possession of Firearm by Felon charges get dropped more often than a pass to Gregg Little. Why exactly? I don't know to be honest. It could be a lot of crappy police work making poor cases. It could be that often that charge is associated with some kind of violent crime, which can be difficult to prosecute via uncooperative victims. But a PFF case isn't actually hard to make. It's also the easiest kind of case to take Federal where the real punishment is.

I was in Federal Court a couple of months ago for a probation revocation hearing. I charged the defendant w/ exposing himself to his therapist. He was out after doing 10 years of a 20 year sentence for a Possession of Firearm by Felon charge he picked up when he was in his mid 30's. While waiting I commented to his Probation Officer about how often I see that charge being dismissed in county court. He said they see it constantly and have no idea why those cases aren't being referred for Fed prosecution.


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I'm curious, as a LEO can you see how much money the court is owed by individual people when you run their info. Most courts are forced to be economically efficient and as a result they cannot take many crimes to trial.

It also sounds like your local penitentiary is severely over filled if the non-violent criminals they're releasing have weapon charges against them.

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sure, you can start with reversing the crap policies you white people made when it comes to parenting kids.

ya know, how yall basically made it a problem for people to spank their own kids.

or the white politicians who decided that drugging all of our kids just because they cant sit still is better than actually parenting the child to behave.

that came from your neck of the woods bro, and you damn well know it.

i wouldnt had normally made this post, but the crap ticks me off that minority parents always catch heat for gang violence and all this crap, but guys who look like you catch very little heat in comparison despite the fact that its your kids shooting up schools, bombing federal buildings and and out here throwing temper tantrums just because they dont get what they want.

i mean damn, another white kid shot up a school, and here's riley talking about MS 13?

explain that. because from my view, thats a complete deflection.




I am getting tired of you racist comments.
Whats ironic, is all those things come from liberals, whom he votes for.

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I just think your self hate is quite amusing. You blast white people, when you yourself have pointed out your mostly white. its one the many things that amuse me about you.

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Exactly. I’m part white.

So what’s the problem? Explain how I think I’m superior to my own race(s)

Cause you and others routinely demonstrate you have zero clue on what racism means.

When I criticize black people, am I self hating too? How about when I critique erdogan in Turkey? Am I hating on Turks?

What’s funny is that none of you actually refuted anything I stated. You just got triggered over th fact that I stated something you don’t like.

Kick rocks, I have no time for soft people this early in the morning.

I never expected such weak ass crap from you, but surprises happen everyday I suppose.


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I just think your self hate is quite amusing. You blast white people, when you yourself have pointed out your mostly white. its one the many things that amuse me about you.



Uh... That's not how caste systems works. Specifically, in America, if you even had a drop of African blood, you were still considered a slave. It was called the One Drop Rule.

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Exactly. I’m part white.

So what’s the problem? Explain how I think I’m superior to my own race(s)

Cause you and others routinely demonstrate you have zero clue on what racism means.

When I criticize black people, am I self hating too? How about when I critique erdogan in Turkey? Am I hating on Turks?

What’s funny is that none of you actually refuted anything I stated. You just got triggered over th fact that I stated something you don’t like.

Kick rocks, I have no time for soft people this early in the morning.

I never expected such weak ass crap from you, but surprises happen everyday I suppose.
never said you I thought you thought you were superior. Just pointing out what amuses me about you, that's all. I find it funny you think I am trigged yet your the one obviously in a fit over what I said. I posted what, two sentences on something I observed from you, you responded with a an entire paragraph about turks and racism smile

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You’re the one co-signing another person who has no idea what racism is.


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What’s funny is that none of you actually refuted anything I stated. You just got triggered over th fact that I stated something you don’t like.

While there is some truth in that.. welcome to 2018, that's not how the world works. I can go on a rant of epic proportion about problems within the black community or with feminists or with Latinos but the minute I mention them by name as being at fault for their own problems.. I'm a racist/bigot.. it doesn't matter one iota whether its TRUE or not or whether it can be refuted or not.... and if I don't mention them by name but everybody knows who I'm talking about, the stupid "Dog Whistle" comment will come out..

And I will say that the left is largely responsible for creating this atmosphere of being triggered and offended over every statement perceived as something they don't like..

So to recap, it's 2018.. if you are going on a rant that includes the phrase "white people".. not a single other word in your rant matters... y'all made the rules.


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What’s funny is that none of you actually refuted anything I stated. You just got triggered over th fact that I stated something you don’t like.

While there is some truth in that.. welcome to 2018, that's not how the world works. I can go on a rant of epic proportion about problems within the black community or with feminists or with Latinos but the minute I mention them by name as being at fault for their own problems.. I'm a racist/bigot.. it doesn't matter one iota whether its TRUE or not or whether it can be refuted or not.... and if I don't mention them by name but everybody knows who I'm talking about, the stupid "Dog Whistle" comment will come out..

And I will say that the left is largely responsible for creating this atmosphere of being triggered and offended over every statement perceived as something they don't like..

So to recap, it's 2018.. if you are going on a rant that includes the phrase "white people".. not a single other word in your rant matters... y'all made the rules.


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thats fine.

but they still didn't refute any of my points.

i'm only playing by the unofficial rules established by them on this board. oh well.


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thats fine.

but they still didn't refute any of my points.

i'm only playing by the unofficial rules established by them on this board. oh well.
because the points you made are not only asinine they are just plain false. It has nothing to do with race. If it did, I would have not been smacked as a kid. nor my brothers. I spank my son. So by your line of thought, I am not white. . . . willynilly

As the multiple posters have stated, it falls more with ideology than it does race. but nice try.

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