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I'm so sick of this type of posting. It's why I haven't been posting much.

Screw it.

THIS is what I expect from Taylor.

PROFESSIONALISM. On and off the field, in pressers. This guys seems like a great kid.

On the field I expect Taylor to keep going as he has. Roughly 62% completions and probably in the 6.8 YPA category. Limited turnovers. Which is FINE and capable of winning games.

Problem is, how long will Haley tolerate him leaving MASSIVE yards on the field with the likes of Gordon, Coleman and Callaway running free and his penchant to check down to the shorter, safer stuff?

IF THAT HAPPENS consistently through the first 6 or 7 games, MAYFIELD will be our sterting QB from then on out.

We'll see what happens.

I don't care if Taylor dinks and dunks all year, as long as the chains move. The way Gordon can run past guys, I believe Tyrod will be hard pressed not to let it fly. Moving the chains wears out defenses just like a good running game does. Keeping the opponents defense on the field will keep our defense fresh, and I think Taylor's game includes this aspect.

It is nice to score on big plays, but long drives and time of possession are something we have missed for years.

What to expect ?
I think the floor for Tyrod's production is:
61 comp%
400 rush yards (which will likely make the Browns top 5 if not #1 rushing team in the NFL)
25 rushing 1st downs
20 Passing TDs
10 of fewer INTs

Barring injury the Browns represent the Tyrod's best situation. Good scheme, good coaching and the best personnel.

Tyrod has only been a starter for 3 years so he's still growing as QB.

If Hue, Haley on the offensive staff can help him make quicker decisions, take fewer sacks and take own more command and ownership of the passing then this could be a really good season for Tyrod and therefore the team.

But even with all that said the team 0-fer last year so even a vastly improved roster may not be good enough to win 9 games.

You guys say dink and dunk but Dorsey said he loves his ability to throw the deep ball. I'm just saying.

Tyrod Taylor
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#MOOD



https://twitter.com/TyrodTaylor/status/998380106883182592

Can't wait to see him in action.

j/c

Taylor will be entering his eighth NFL season. He will not be re-invented. He is what he is. At this point in his career he is a finished product. Guys like Rich Gannon who broke out late in their career are an anomaly.

I'm not saying this is a bad thing. Taylor is a middle of the road QB which is better than anything we've had in decades so I'm not being negative here.

But for those who seem to suggest that Haley can suddenly change the way Taylor plays the game, it's just not going to happen. Don't overthink it.

I remember Jeff Garcia was going to come in in 2004 and be our savior. He had 9 seasons of decent to great play between the CFL and NFL. He was going to win for us. He’d won a Grey Cup. He won with the 49’ers.... Then he came to Cleveland and posted a 0.0 QB rating in a game and generally sucked. He did go on to play well and win after leaving Cleveland again.
Call me skeptical about any previously winning QB coming here and doing anything.
I hope TT plays lights out. I’m just not going to speculate about him doing anything.
Show me.

Garcia wasn't a bad QB either. They tried putting a square peg in a round hole with Garcia. They put him on an O he was neither familiar with nor capable of running. And yes, they could do the same thing with Tyrod. That part remains to be seen.

But the fact remains that Tyrod has won just slightly over 50% of his starts with a decent D on the field. If he's not forced into running an O system that his skill set is not capable of running, there's no reason we shouldn't see similar results.

Now from my perspective we have a pretty grueling schedule this year. So maybe north of 50% is a lofty goal. But I can reasonably see us winning between 6-8 games with Tyrod as our QB.

Now one thing I do understand is that the LT and RT positions will be crucial. We had putrid play at the RT position last year and with Thomas retiring that leaves a huge hole at LT. I don't see capable replacements on our roster to fill those holes with any degree of competency.

That could very well change that expected win total from me.

Sure, there’s Jake Delhomme too...
Leads Carolina to the playoffs a few times. Put up these stats in a losing Super Bowl appearance... 16-of-33 for 323 yards, 3 passing touchdowns, no interceptions, and a 113.6 passer rating. Plays as an above average starter for his years in Carolina. Got dinged up and let go.
The Browns pick him up. He throws 2 td’s and 7 int’s in a Browns uniform. Posts a 63.4 QBR.
Another veteran savior craps down their leg wearing our uniform.
Here’s hoping TT breaks the mold. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Show me.

(God it’s awful doing the research on these QB story lines. You’d think Terry Bradshaw actually put a curse on us because of Turkey Jones pile driving him into the sod....oh wait...)

I don't either. If the dink and dunk game moves the chains, gives our defense a breather and our offense a chance to score while not risking turnovers - I'm all for it. I will think no less of Tyrod, unless it's clear he's missing out on the big plays because, as you say, Gordon could fly right by you or be a target still for one-on-one plays. I think Tyrod can be less "conservative" when you have a 6'3/225lb WR that can glide like that wind or a freak 6'4/246lb TE that can jump between atmospheres.

I think Garcia got screwed in Cleveland. He wasn't that bad. Delhommes was done when he got here due to injuries. Great guy, but he wasn't the same player he used to be.

Agree on both counts. His skill-set didn't match what Robiskie ran - a famous quote had him saying he 'don't know nothing about west coast offence' or something close. Plus I don't think we had much around him.

Jake was past his peak for sure.

Because a coach has never had a positive impact on QB and QBs have never raised there game given better talent and coaching.

100% agreed

We KNOW Garcia got screwed.
He was a straight-up WCO guy and was lured to come here by Butch under the premise that we'd run a WCO for him... and then we refused to incorporate ANYTHING from the WCO. The only way we could have screwed him over more is if we insisted on playing him as the backup RB.

You get what you pay for...

We didn't really acquire Garcia or Delhomme for the price that we acquired Taylor for....

lol, did you see the price tag that came with Delhomme at the time?

Maybe not in picks, but in terms of salary?


EDIT: Correction. Most of that money he made in 2010 was from the Panthers. Dead cap space. He made 20 million that year though

http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=4992744

Did Garcia beat Baltimore in game 1 in 2004? (the only opener we've won since like 1994). I remember thinking he'd be really good here

He sure did

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2004.htm

Kwhip, I wonder how much of tt’s penchant for “dinking and dunking” has to do with his receivers inability to stretch the field. watkins was hurt a lot and maybe short was all that was available. with Gordon et al he may open up his passing a bit.

In their ninth season? The only one I can think of is Rich Gannon.

I don't know.. Matt Schaub wasn't very good in Atlanta then went on to have some good years later in Houston.. Trent Green had good years late after struggling for a while.. Vinny Testaverde made his first pro bowl when he was 33...

I don't think anybody expects TT to miraculously be turned into Drew Brees... but in the right situation, he could be more than serviceable for a year or two.. he could be better than he was in Buffalo...

could be the next kurt warner!!!!!

Case Keenum, Drew Brees, Steve Young, Kerry Collins, Nick Foles, Randall Cunningham, Kirk Cousins, Alex Smith

Is that list a joke?

I really enjoyed the second video. Thanks. A lot of good points were made, especially by Schlereth.

Agree about the points.

I also liked the last bit about Mayfield and his football acumen. Broncos had him highly rated in that regard and so did the Browns, apparently.

Depends

I could listen to Schlereth talk all day about football and what it means to be a professional, in any industry. Dude is underrated as an analyst.

I *L* pretty hard ....

Agreed ... I LOVE listening to him about pretty much anything ...

Thanks for sharing ...

Schlereth and Saturday. Both are excellent.

Taylor's on a 6 game Interview.

Man I hope we hit Gold with Mayfield.

Yeah, I agree w/both of you. He's very good and seems like a pretty tough guy. I like how he throws in actual football terminology and gives examples of what he is talking about.

What about his opinion on Baker Mayfield... I have to say I agree with him both with Tyrod and Mayfield... But I have the sense that most will not agree on him regarding Mayfield.

The famous tweet here https://twitter.com/markschlereth/status/946456677775110144

Umm ... a pass chart?

Actually, that pass chart looks pretty good to me, though why he chose yellow for TDs and Red for other completions is beyond me.