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most contracts anymore are that way... can dump player after 2 years and little impact on cap... all the players care about is the gurranty money really.

Oh I know what you mean. Point being, when you look at the McKinnon contract you get that "No way in hell" thought in your head. I would at least like to see a contract with Duke that looks like both sides at least want it to be a four year deal.

From a cap perspective you can argue that McKinnon can be cut after one year with no long term ramifications. That could amount to a one year deal. He’s still getting $18 MM guaranteed with almost $12 MM in signing bonuses. Not too shabby on his end, and not a bad deal for the team.

I would also like Duke to play out the contract, but for a multitude of reasons that may not be possible. Being able to get out from a cap perspective, should we need to, while still paying him as referenced above is a win-win no matter what for me.

Sign him and hash out a couple years down the road with guaranteed re-openers. If he proves out, two sides should be interested.

Really now?

Let's do this.

You take his contract, including Guaranteed $ and Signing Bonus and tell us the Cap ramifications after ONE YEAR.

Do it BOTH WAYS.

Pre June 1 release.

Post June 1 release.

Easy on the new guy. He's been posting w/logic and intelligence. We don't all have to agree on everything. I think the dude is a welcome addition to the board thus far.

If you are referring to Jerick McKinnon I am using the information available here:

https://overthecap.com/player/jerick-mckinnon/3035

Cutting him next year prior to June 1st results in $6 MM dead money. His salary cap number for 2019 happens to be $6 MM, so they save nothing against the cap.

A post June 1st designation results in $2 MM dead money with a $4 MM cap savings. So as PitDAWG mentioned, it could be viewed as a one year contract.

Honestly I hadn't noticed until Pit brought it up, but after looking at the numbers I agree that it could be a one and done deal. Again, not my hope for Duke.

maybe we should just inflate our contract to Duke to drive up the RB market so that Leveon Bell must leave Pittsburgh after next year

I really like Duke as both a runner and receiver. He is a tough player who can make something out of nothing.
I am not sure what Haley's plans for him are in this offense. With both Hyde and Chubb getting the ball will that decrease Duke's value to the Browns?
Maybe we could line him up at wr also.

Dukes agent is going to use McKinnnon’s contract as a baseline ... thats his job to start high ...

McKinnon’s role in SF is going to be much different than Dukes role in C-Town ... he’s going to get a lot more touches and be on the field a lot more than Duke ...

This is going to be an interesting negotiation ... if we want to sign him before the season ... were going to “overpay” ... i put it in quotes cause thats the nature of the business today ...

I’ll be interested to see if we can get it done and if so where it ends up in comparision to McKinnon’s and Lewis and then guys like Bernard and Riddick ...

Thanks for the info on his contract ... appreciate it ..

I wonder where McKinnon’s contract ranks him for RB pay per year for the gauranteed portion of the contract ...

They’ve made it almost IMPOSSIBLE to compare contracts cause there’s so many variables in all of them .. apples to apples is tough to find these days ....

jc

if Duke's agent uses McKinnon's contract as a starting point, he'll be playing elsewhere. IMHO, there's no way we're going to give him anything near 7.5m average - that's the 4th highest paid RB in the league. It'll likely end up half of that.


to Diam specifically - the $12m McKinnon got as guarantees at signing is 7th in the league. The practical guarantees are 15.7m and puts him 6th in the league (the differences is his 3.7m salary next year is fully guaranteed in March - he'd have the be cut before then to keep it at $12m).

I get the feeling that Dorsey sees backs as a replaceable.

Unless the guy is clearly one of the best, I don't think we are going to go nuts trying to sign them to second contracts. I think we are going to make what we see as a fair offer, but aren;t going to go up much over what we offered to start the process.

Fair enough. When all is said and done, it is a business decision. I like DJ, but you have to draw a line in the sand at some point...

A lot probably depends on what Chubb looks like in the early stages as well (especially catching the ball).

Chubb and Duke are entirely different animals playing the same position ... there about as MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE as RB’s can be ...

he prob wants wide reciever money... he already said he wants to be a WR...

When has Duke said that?

LeVeon Bell has said that, but I can't remember Duke having said so.

Do you have a link?

+1

no.. just heard him say it on the 92.3 fan.. maybe im wrong.. it was when all the talk of him moving to slot reciever last training camp....

I remember Bell saying that he wants to be paid as a top WR, because he makes a ton of plays in the passing and rush game, and is such a high percentage of the Steelers offense.

I honestly have never heard Duke say that. That's why I asked.

Tyrod is going to give Duke so much love it aint funny. They better resign him before this season because they won't be able to afford him after it.

https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1004808466542809089

Get er done, John!


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1004808637188050945

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1004814888135512066

Congrats, Duke and well done, Dorsey!

Excellent news.

Great news! Good job for Dorsey in getting this done and making it a priority (shows that hard work and class WILL BE REWARDED on this team).

Congrats to Duke, a great player and person.

This is outstanding!!! I am really happy we are getting this done because Duke is such a good player!

That is a horrible deal for Duke. If I were him I would have rather hit the market.

He gets $5m cash today, doesn't have to wait a year and no risk of losing it if injured.

Ranks 8th among RBs regarding annual salary, according to Rappaport. Guaranteed is North of $7M. Not sure where that ranks.

Jerrick McKinnon signed a 4 year 30m deal, 15.7m guaranteed. You can't tell me Duke isn't as good as McKinnon.

I think the expectation in the Bay is for McKinnon to be the primary back in that offense. Different situation. here.

good deal for us IMO ... three years for 15 million for a dual threat/good character guy

Maybe its more about John Lynch not being as good as John Dorsey? Or maybe its just about the timing; McKinnon had the stones not to sign last spring with the Vikings as he entered his jump year. Running backs always have to consider the possibility that they could face a career ending injury at any time, and Duke's was more of a "bird-in-the-hand" approach. In any case, I have a feeling he'll do all right with "only" $7M guaranteed.

Let's see .... 3 years/ $15.6 million works out to ......

Genius!

Could be a creative bargaining forward IMO.

Just win.

Official link from the Brown's website:

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...ef-520c205d8d47

I completely dig it... good job John. Happy to get this done and not even let him test the market. Kudos to both sides.

This contract is so good for the team and so bad for Duke Johnson that I have to think Johnson's agent is/was on drugs.

That is your opinion, not Dukes.

I know some want to talk about McKinnon....that's fine.

I don't think that was a extension. I think that was more or less as his last year ended or was near ending.

Today, Duke now knows he has 7.5 mil headed his way no matter what.

For some, knowing what you have in the pocket is worth more than what they might have made.

The sure thing is very comforting to many people.

I am sure Dukes agent did tell him he could make more if he waited until next year. I am sure he also told him that if he gets hurt bad this year, he just tossed away $7.5.

You don't read about it, but i am sure that many agents have told their players to take the sure thing rather than gamble on next year. Agents lose out as well if their player gets hurt and never gets another offer as good as the one turned down.

Another point to consider most don't think about. Duke is 24 years old. After this deal is done, he will probably be 28. At 28 he will still have the ability to sign another nice deal. At 29, that ability lessens. At 28, you still have 2-3 years on the tires. At 29, even though it is only 1 year apart, people start thinking he will be a 30 year old running back next year. How much longer can he have?

I think he did the right thing.