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Mac, you need to quit telling people what is and isn't there business,,, makes you sound stupid... it's a message board,, that's what we do here, we discuss all kinds of stuff,,,
So lay off the crap about it not being our business already... We know that in the grand scheme of things it isn't,, we don't need you to tell us, but it's a discussion board,, we are discussing..
Get over yourself already
Daman...Brady Quinn's contract is not your business, period!
Daman...are you concerned about Phil Savages contract?
Daman...are you concerned about your neighbors contract or pay stubs?
Brady Quinn's contract is not the business of the fans.
Quinn's contract is the concern of those who negotiated the contract and came to "agreement".
Daman, the contract issue is done, gone, over...time to talk football or maybe you should find a business board to discuss dollars and cents.
Let's go Browns...WOOF....mac...it is now "football" season...contract season is over...here go Brownies, here we go...WOOF...
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I'd have to say that unless Frye or Anderson were doing a terrible job, then Quinn should be in the bench.
Are you suggesting he lay down on the bench and have Big Ted,Steinbach and Joe Thomas sit on him?
Haha, actually I was thinking Big Ted, Robaire Smith, and Shaun Smith.
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General Reply: PRESS CONFERENCE
To anyone who saw it...I knew the Cleveland media was iffy at best, but they basically made the press conference a gigantic waste of time and tried to kill the morale of this kid before he even takes a snap in training camp today.
I'm pretty sure it was Mary Kay who asked "The average income in Cleveland is $26,000, how do you think the fans feel about you holding out for millions of dollars?"
Yeah, that presser was complete BS. I believe that was Mary Kay that asked the $26,000 question. I swear to God she is an idiot. If her average salary is $26,000 a year then she makes $25,999.99 too much, IMO.
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The great thing about this is that for the first time since our return we have a QB loaded with potential on a team that he can actually succeed with.
What an awesome time to be a Browns fan!!
Right now is a crappy time to be a Browns fan. But, Quinn pans out, 2008 or 2009 will be an exciting time to be a Browns fan. 
No, now is the time to be a fan. We're actually watching the thing being built. It's like going to the Ferarri factory and watching them put one together. A donkey cart is faster right up until they hook up the batteries and pour in some gas. But you know what's coming and it's exciting to watch all the pieces come together.
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Brady Quinn's contract is not the business of the fans.
Quinn's contract is the concern of those who negotiated the contract and came to "agreement".
Brady Quinn's contract involves a salary..... Salaries affect a salary cap.... Salary caps affect what players we are able to keep on the team....Who we have on the team affects "Pure Football".
Brady Quinn's contract is the business of the fans of the Cleveland Browns because he is a Cleveland Brown.
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Did you see my post???
It wasn't Mary K...
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Mac, are you saying that salary cap problems the Browns may or may not have will not impact the performance of the team? If they do, and everyone knows that the salary cap will always be an issue as long as there is a salary cap, then we, as paying fans, have every right to questions contracts because the DIRECTLY AFFECT THE MAKEUP OF THE TEAM WE PAY TO WATCH.
Mac, does Savage's salary have any affect on the cap? Does my neighbors? No. Try comparing apples to apples.
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As someone posted earlier --- it WAS NOT Mary Kay Cabot that asked that stupid question in today's press conference. It was some stupid "news" reporter that Channel 5 sent to the press conference. Her name is Joy Benedict and WTAM Radio had an on-air interview with her and exposed her for the complete idiot that she is.
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Hey Mac, what kind of money do you make, and how much is your next raise going to be?
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Mensa is by far the MOST knowledgable guy on the board.
He understands that in order to gauge a QB then he has to have an Oline and a running game.
So what Mensa is saying is that if Cade McNown and Patrick Ramsey had blocking and a running game they could possibly be Payton Manning and Tom Brady?
Another sign that you do not get it.
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He said he worked out twice a day in Arizona, threw once or twice a day depending on how many receivers he had available and checked on the Browns from afar via the Internet.
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And you prove that you never do get it..
Period..
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Mac, were you dropped on your head as a child or something.. what the heck is wrong with you,,
How many times do I have to say to you, I know that Quinn's contract isn't my business.... and How many times do I have to explain to you that this is a discussion board and people are merely discussing it..
And finally, I don't need you telling me what is or isn't my business... who that heck are you to be telling me that... who made you MY boss. Who appointed you the "all knowing" arbitor of what is someones business and what is not..
In other words, who the hell decided you were god and can tell people what to talk about and what not to,,
will you just get the heck off that crap already... You are boring me to tears with the same ole rhetoric.
To other posters,,, please,, tell me, am I nuts or is Mac.... if the bulk of you say to me,, D,, shut up, Mac is right,, I'll stop,, but I just can't see that happening.
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And you prove that you never do get it..
Period..
You're funny, Mr. Steve Young stinks get rid of him fan.
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To other posters,,, please,, tell me, am I nuts or is Mac.... if the bulk of you say to me,, D,, shut up, Mac is right,, I'll stop,, but I just can't see that happening.
Daman, I'm a little confussed here, what is it you can't see happening.......us telling you your nuts, us telling you mac is nuts, or........... you stopping.  .
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You can tell it is preseason with all of the infighting by Browns fans. Settle down guys, we less than a month away from regular season games. Then, we can start fighting about different topics.
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You're funny, Mr. Steve Young stinks get rid of him fan.
This is why I see you as being weak..and not on track..Steve Young HAS NOTHING to do with this..no other QB does either..
Keep thinking you can judge QB's easily on poor teams.
Let me spell this out for you plain as day or as the stat sheet you copy n paste..
Just because U have difficulty evaluating a QB doesn't mean I don't know how to..
So while you need a stat chart to do it, I don't.
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Another sign that you do not get it.
Well how could I possibly be expected to understand the depth of a man with no less than FOUR current high scores?
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That's kinda what I was thinking  
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Daman, I'm a little confussed here, what is it you can't see happening.......us telling you your nuts
LOL,, Yup,, I don't see you telling me I'm nuts,, well, at least not on this subject..... your a funny guy... I like that
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You can tell it is preseason with all of the infighting by Browns fans. Settle down guys, we less than a month away from regular season games. Then, we can start fighting about different topics.
Yeah,, I know! I just get a little tweaked when someone tells me what I can and cannot discuss..
But like someone else said,, Mac is the kid that picks the scab
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You can tell it is preseason with all of the infighting by Browns fans. Settle down guys, we less than a month away from regular season games. Then, we can start fighting about different topics.
Just look at it as training camp for the fans. We are practicing against each other getting ready for the regular season, not fighting 
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You can tell it is preseason with all of the infighting by Browns fans. Settle down guys, we less than a month away from regular season games. Then, we can start fighting about different topics.
I can hardly wait until the war really erupts over who should start at quarterback. 
I figure things will really spiral out of control in a couple of weeks.
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I just hope we don't have a 3 way tie.. and I hope it's obvious who the starter should be. 
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You can tell it is preseason with all of the infighting by Browns fans
This is the fun part..it's always been this way on this board..well when the Browns main board looked like this ...
Trust me these fights are nothing near what the old battles were like..these are timid in comparison..
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I just hope we don't have a 3 way tie.. and I hope it's obvious who the starter should be.
Ken Dorsey? 
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As other have said mac...his contract effects our salary cap therefore it is our business, period. If it wasn't our business then his contracts worth wouldn't be made public.
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I can hardly wait until the war really erupts over who should start at quarterback.
That's an easy one for me to deal with,,, I want the one that is most ready to win....
I'll let RAC decide
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web page Aug 8, 12:43 PM EDT Quinn Confident He'll Start for Browns By TOM WITHERS AP Sports Writer BEREA, Ohio (AP) -- Brady Quinn didn't have to sweat out this wait wearing a three-piece suit. Even so, it was every bit as agonizing as draft day. Hours after the quarterback ended his 11-day training camp holdout by signing a five-year, $20.2 million contract with the Cleveland Browns, Quinn said he understands that nothing - not a starting job or support from teammates or fans - will be handed to him. "Believe me, I don't deserve anything," he said Wednesday. "I think I have to earn a lot with the coaching staff but also with the team. But that's just something that you have to understand coming into it, especially as a rookie. "You have to earn everything that you get." Quinn, though, is confident he'll be starting at some point during his first season as a pro. "Without a doubt," he said. Quinn, who squirmed in his backstage seat at New York's Radio City Music Hall for hours waiting to be drafted in April before finally being picked by the Browns at No. 22, expressed frustration at not being in camp while negotiations between the team and his agent, Tom Condon, crawled along. The sides first began talks in May, but didn't make any significant progress until last weekend. Quinn worked out in Arizona while the sides haggled over guaranteed money and salary escalators in the final years of the incentive-filled package. He can earn a maximum of $30 million if he becomes the franchise QB the Browns have longed for. Quinn's first foray into the NFL's business side wasn't a pleasant experience for the 22-year-old. "It's awful," he said. "You grow up loving the game that you've played and all of a sudden you're told you can't come in unless you sign a contract. To sit out from playing the game that you love for that long is horrible. "It's nice just to be an official member of the Browns." Quinn missed the team's four-day rookie orientation program and then 16 practices before finally getting a call from Condon, who told him to pack his bags and get on the next flight to Cleveland. He arrived at the Browns' training facility Tuesday evening. After signing his contract, Quinn met with fellow QBs Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson, took a conditioning test, went over his playbook and then checked into a hotel for a few hours sleep. Quinn was back at Browns headquarters early Wednesday and was scheduled to practice for the first time with his teammates in the afternoon. It will be a private affair as the team's workout was closed to fans and media members. Quinn's first public appearance will be Thursday when every one of his passes will be compared to ones thrown by Frye and Anderson, neither of whom has separated from the other so far at camp. A two-quarterback competition to be Cleveland's starter could become the three-way fight everyone expected. Barring an injury to Frye or Anderson, it's unlikely the Browns will rush Quinn along. A more likely scenario would be for him to sit out the first few weeks of the season before starting or getting any significant snaps. Quinn will begin at the bottom of the depth chart and will probably only get in for a few plays in Saturday's exhibition opener against Kansas City. Arizona's Matt Leinart, also represented by Condon, missed most of the Cardinals' training camp last summer. However, he still took nearly 70 percent of the team's snaps and was starting by mid-season. Quinn said he got advice from Leinart about his upcoming transition. He hasn't had to win a starting job since his freshman year at Notre Dame, but Quinn's looking at his chance to compete for one the same way he did as a wide-eyed 18-year-old with the Fighting Irish. "I think a lot of times people get wrapped up in what other people are doing and not what they're doing - what they can improve on," he said. "That's kind of the way that I handled myself back then and that's the way that I'll handle myself now." During his holdout, Quinn became an easy target for some Browns fans, who felt he should have reported for camp on time like rookie offensive tackle Joe Thomas, the No. 3 overall selection. Quinn, too, was criticized for charging $75 for his autograph during an appearance at a local memorabilia show. Quinn, though, feels fans will be forgiving of his holdout, and that the best way to win them over is by winning. "I think they understand we're professional athletes," he said. "We're very fortunate to have this opportunity. Don't get me wrong, I'm from the Columbus area, I know about Cleveland, I'm an Ohio kid, so I understand what this town's about. "I want the same thing."
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I watched that earlier today. I thought the kid did well. Go Browns!!
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And you prove that you never do get it..
Period..
You're funny, Mr. Steve Young stinks get rid of him fan.
Keep thinking you can judge QB's easily on poor teams.
You get so offended because people think Frye is bad, and in most cases last year he was... I know the supporting cast wasn't great around him, but he still made horrendous decisions stared down receivers and threw a less than desirable ball... Hell I've seen him throw into triple coverage with a man standing wide open waving his hands around like a mad man and he threw it into triple coverage...
Quinn is the future man, you should start realizing that soon.
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He said he worked out twice a day in Arizona, threw once or twice a day depending on how many receivers he had available and checked on the Browns from afar via the Internet.
good to know he reads the boards, lol
Hey Brady if you're reading this can clear up an issue for us...is it or is it not my business to know the structure of your contract?
ps remember when you visited oxford ohio in the spring of 2006...thanks for keeping it real all night and letting me drink with you just because we had a mutual friend...anyhow welcome home
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Don't the fans help pay for some of that contract? They aren't exactally giving tickets away for free nowadays.
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I watched that earlier today. I thought the kid did well.
Go Browns!!
Yeah, he really did.. confident young man.... Bright and articulate. I wish him well....
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Winslow/bodden,, I can't speak for anyone else on the Frye thing,, but one thing that irritates the heck out of me is the way ESPN shows the W/L record behind the QB.. Then showed a stat last night,, all the Browns QB's since 99.. It read
2006 Charlie Frye 4-12
Two things are wrong with that..
1. Charlie Didn't play in all 16 games so his record can't be 4-12
2. Saying his record is 4-12 the way they show it indicates that it's solely his record.. as if there isn't anyone else on the field.. Charlie lost all by himself and won all by himself.
Guys on here really know the difference.. I don't think there is anyone on this board stupid enough to say,, FRYE lost all those games all by himself. At least not the regulars anyway..
But man, go over to the old board on the browns site,, and the natives are really restless,,, some of them will insist that it's all Fryes fault.. Some will go as far as to say that had we picked up Drew Brees last season, we would have made the play offs! yikes. I think we would have been better,, but the playoffs,,,, I don't think so. Not with MO running the O!
I'm one of those guys that doesn't think that Frye is anywhere near as bad a QB as the record would have you believe.. And I'll admit, he may not be the answer either.. But I sure would have liked to find out. Maybe we will!
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Winslow/bodden,, I can't speak for anyone else on the Frye thing,, but one thing that irritates the heck out of me is the way ESPN shows the W/L record behind the QB.. Then showed a stat last night,, all the Browns QB's since 99.. It read
2006 Charlie Frye 4-12
Two things are wrong with that..
1. Charlie Didn't play in all 16 games so his record can't be 4-12
2. Saying his record is 4-12 the way they show it indicates that it's solely his record.. as if there isn't anyone else on the field.. Charlie lost all by himself and won all by himself.
Agree with you 100% I even said that in my post, I said people around him didn't do well, but not basing it off of the plays that his teammates were obviously the problem, Frye still looked bad to me.
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Guys on here really know the difference.. I don't think there is anyone on this board stupid enough to say,, FRYE lost all those games all by himself. At least not the regulars anyway..
Anyone who says Frye lost ANY of those games is stupid, it's a team game... There were times where Frye made a big impact on why we lost a game (See the Chargers game) and other times where it appeared he messed up (Ravens home game) where it was someone else messing up (O-line letting him get hit as he tried to throw the ball to Braylon.) Anyways, what I'm saying is, the team wins as a team and loses as a team, not one play determines the win or the loss, one play may stick out, but there were many of things that could happen on the way to that point of the game that could have changed the course of the game completely.
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But man, go over to the old board on the browns site,, and the natives are really restless,,, some of them will insist that it's all Fryes fault.. Some will go as far as to say that had we picked up Drew Brees last season, we would have made the play offs! yikes. I think we would have been better,, but the playoffs,,,, I don't think so. Not with MO running the O!
Brees was one of my favorite players in the league, and even I wasn't upset that we didn't get him, and by the way, do you want me to ruin my day by going to that board Honestly, that board should be called the "The Official We're Buckeyes who think were Browns fans but know nothing about the NFL Message Board."
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I'm one of those guys that doesn't think that Frye is anywhere near as bad a QB as the record would have you believe.. And I'll admit, he may not be the answer either.. But I sure would have liked to find out. Maybe we will!
I think Frye is BETTER than our team made him look last year... I still don't think we can be a playoff team with him... He stares down receivers, fumbles too much, makes poor decisions, and has a hard time reading the field... The positives about Frye is he tries to make plays, he is one tough kid, and he knows the plays... I think Quinn is going to be a hell of a QB, I wanted him to enter the draft when he was a junior and I wanted him, and I wanted him 3rd overall ( I was FINE with Thomas.) And believe me, I wouldn't leave the bar until the Dolphins picked, and went crazy when they didn't take Quinn, drove home, and was literally freaking out when Quinn kept falling...
When we got him, it was awesome... My point is, I am a bit bias towards Quinn because he's the guy I wanted all along, but I still understand that last year wasn't all on Frye.
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Brady Quinn's contract is not the business of the fans.
Quinn's contract is the concern of those who negotiated the contract and came to "agreement".
Brady Quinn's contract involves a salary..... Salaries affect a salary cap.... Salary caps affect what players we are able to keep on the team....Who we have on the team affects "Pure Football".
Brady Quinn's contract is the business of the fans of the Cleveland Browns because he is a Cleveland Brown.
canada and coach....I touched on the cap issue earlier.
Are the Browns in cap trouble?
Is Randy Lerner now broke?
Answer those two questions then get back with me.
Brady Quinn's contract is not your business...or mine....mac
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Hey Mac, what kind of money do you make, and how much is your next raise going to be?
GM...I'll make a deal with you....
When DAMAN..COACHB AND CANADA DAWG POST THEIR YEARLY INCOME AND HOW MUCH THEIR NEXT RAISE WILL BE....I WILL POST MINE.
Quinns contract is not our business...time to concentrate on football, Browns fans...mac
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Trust me these fights are nothing near what the old battles were like..these are timid in comparison..
I was on the old-old-board for all of the Tim vs Kelly debacle. I have seen my share of the, "You have a different opinion than me? Moron! ... and to think some think we have a knowledgeable fan base."
Ahhh... good times. 
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