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definitely were. I always look at players immediate reactions ... they always know.

And yet you whine continuously when people make personal attacks towards you...

What a great contribution your only statement was.

To the thread:

I hope people ease up on JR. It was a boneheaded play, but there is no guarantee that score. Also, who knows, GS might have even got another shot.

I have been working all morning, so can someone tell me if the national media is talking about the officiating, or just JR?

I kind of agree, and I am not totally convinced that he wasnt expecting a T.O. and WTF was Lue thinking anyways . He should have been prepared to call a TO if needed anyways

Don't forget the one that was replayed a few times that there was a not clean strip of lebron that also turned to points. All of this in the 4th period (except the one you called out in OT). 8 pts off of these bad calls, in the 4th. the JR mess shouldn't have even been an issue.

Why JR?

I honestly haven't been this sick after a sporting event since Byner's fumble.

And you also forgot the clear CONTACT on Lebron as he drove into the key and got smacked so low on the arm, it was closer to his elbow than the ball. There were a couple other plays like that too where we would drive in and get nothing called, but if we laid a finger on Golden State they would call it every time.

I think the "and-one" at the end of regulation where Kevin Love put his hand on Curry's back as he made a layup. Doesn't Draymond do that on every single play?

The most egregious call was tossing Tristan for grazing the arm of a shooter on a garbage time bucket attempt. That lead to Braymond acting like a jackass, and talking smack to Tristan (which of course didn't get him t'ed up) and Tristan breaking out into a fight. And now that could get Kevin Love suspended, because he was already up and off the bench looking to replace him by the time the fighting started. So we're looking at having two guys possibly getting suspended for the next game for an incident that shouldn't even happened in the first place.

Yeah, I said as much earlier. And the sad part is the national media is trying to make JR the scapegoat, while it's the officiating that put him in that position to begin with.

Love not suspended

I feel a real need to compliment the zebras on taking control of a game the Cavs should have won in regulation and delivering to to GS. We sucked in OT, but it was in our reach amazingly.
That wasn't all on JR who was stupid, but where was the TO call? This ref crew is bad. But you can't keep firing threes and blowing leads like we did. Kicking it out killed us when we don't hit them. We were getting inside and drawing fouls. When we left the paint they came back.

Part of whatever it takes is to deny some of the crappy DNA you crow about. No points for fancy dribbling and showboating. Loo needs to get in this more. Part of last night and the OT meltdown is his as well. Sit the people giving up leads.

So JR knew the game was tied? Wow, we're incredibly dysfunctional from staff to players then.

I am not mad at JR.

The local radio station here in San Diego just talked about how egregious the officiating was for a good 20 minutes. These were guys that really have no skin in the game. They also said that JR really let the refs off the hook a bit, because now he's what people are talking about. Had he just missed a put-back or something, all everyone would be talking about today is how terrible the refs were.

Fair enough but here's the deal.. we got the call we needed.

The LeBron strip that was called looked like a foul at full speed.. upon review (which is not allowed in THAT instance) it did NOT look like a foul. Call for GSW

Down at the other end almost immediately after, KD sticks his hand in and hits NO ball, all LeBrons arm, looked like a foul at full speed, confirmed it was a foul in slow motion. Call for GSW

LeBron strip of KD again, could have been a call, very close, slow motion showed it probably was NOT a foul. Call for GSW

LeBron draws the charge on a bang bang play, feet are at least a foot outside the arc, that's not even an issue... looked like it could go either way at full speed. Looked like it could go either way in slow motion. Call for Cavs... wait, review... Call for GSW

Any one of those goes the other way and we probably win the game... but the one they reviewed is the back breaker.. that's the one we got and they took it away.

I have to disagree Vers... It was always stressed to me growing up and I've stressed it in every sport I've ever coached at any level and with my own kids.. you have to know the situation. You have to and there is no excuse not to.

In that situation, every person has to know:
1. the score
2. whether you have any timeouts
3. how much time is on the clock

He might take that ball straight back up and KD might have swatted into the backcourt, I don't care. At least we go down trying to make a play.. and, this speaks to mental toughness, maybe we don't collapse in OT.. this team was shocked and demoralized to even be in OT, that was pretty clear.

I can live with physical mistakes, bad shots, kicked ground balls in baseball, etc.. I can live with almost any physical mistake but, especially at that level, there is absolutely no excuse for that kind of mental error.

If the Cavs somehow end up taking this series to 6 or 7 games and lose.. that mental error will go down with Webster Slaughter forgetting to run his route in the AFC championship game as the two biggest mental mistakes my own team has ever made..

Great newspaper pic.

JR Smith on NBA Finals Game 1 blunder: 'I knew it was tied'

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf...art_maj-story-1

another thing: I thought hits to the head (whether intentional or not) are typically reviewed to assess as Flagrant ... how about when Green hit Lebron in the FACE going to the basket?? ... no review

The only way to handle this is to come out angry and wipe out GS

I hope we drive the basket every time we have the ball. Maybe we kick it out, but maybe we get them in some foul troub ..... oh wait, that would mean that the officials would have to actually call fouls on the Warriors. Sorry. Mibad.

Yep!

Hit those baskets and play some good D, with venom in your hearts. (((Please!)))

P.S.

The Cavs game is all almost everyone talked about today... or at least at Fitworks, where I socialize the most.

Never heard about this

"Also, the league pointed out that Golden State forward Draymond Green should have been called for a lane violation on Cleveland point guard George Hill's second free-throw attempt with 4.7 seconds to play in regulation.

Hill missed the shot, which could've put his team ahead by one point. As Rick Noland of the Elyria Chronicle-Telegram tweeted, the league deemed Green's violation "incidental or immaterial."

Yeah it didnt benefit GS to call it so it wasnt important

LINK

I hear you, but it isn't productive to keep trashing JR. It happened. It sucked. Time to move on.

Sunday will go one of two ways.

1. Cavs are broken after last night and get blown out.

2. Cavs are angry and out for revenge.

If #2 happens, emotions will be high and things can get messy. IF this terrible officiating continues, what the odds of another bottlegate type incident occurring in games 3/4?

Didn't get to see the whole game, but saw the last few minutes, and watched some highlight packages.

I refuse to go the route of d-bag warrior fan and claim everything is rigged. That's what they do whenever they lose, and it's laughable. They have literally lost one playoff series in 4 years, and of course, it was rigged.

But wow, I can't believe that reversal of the charge. The call itself was borderline, but they had no business looking at it, as the only reason they were able to, was to look at what was Lebron standing 2 feet outside of the restricted zone. That's some pretty severe abuse of the rules. It actually reminded me of that Browns game in Baltimore 10 years ago when they clearly reviewed that field goal by Dawson. It's not exactly the same situation, but it had a similar feel.

ESPN is trying to compare the JR Smith end of the game thing to some of the great sports blunders. Eh, not so much. An obvious mistake, but, it wasn't like we were losing. Don't get me wrong, it's bone-headed, but comparing it to Buckner is pretty laughable.

Sounds like there were some other calls that went against the cavs too.

Draymond Green is by far, the biggest fake tough guy in the league.

Check out a clip of Green's eye gouge of Lebron.

How did he not get thrown out for that?
Did you hear he called Lebron a f cat while he was on the floor?

Feel like we should cue the Hanson Brothers right about now !

lol that 2 minute report was a joke.

TT got a 25k fine.

avoids suspension.

Nice.

I'm glad that Love and TT will both play on Sunday.

Bro, I've been rooting hard for the Cavs this year. For one, they are my team. Secondly, the negativity from guys like lead actually makes me root for them more.

But after that BS from the other night.........my support for this team has reached new heights. I freaking hate GS and the how the refs officiate their games. Houston got ripped, too.

Let's Go, Cavs. And ...........Whatever it takes, baby. And I mean that literally. Knock Green on his punk ass.

yea, while at the time i didn't like TT doing it....i loved every moment of it. screw green!

Send in Perkins...aka....the inforcer...

Hell yeah...........at least TT won't let Green punk him.

We complain all the time how the Browns let other teams punk them.........like when Suh slammed Dehommes or when Harrison waylaid Cold and MoMass.

TT didn't take Green's punk ass [censored]. I'm good w/that.

IMO the Reversal of the block/charge call was THE biggest deciding factor of the game, and it isn't close. Here's why:

- Let's say the call stays with a charge. We get the ball with 32 seconds left, up by 2. Worst case scenario? They have the ball down by 2 with 8 seconds left.

- Let's say George Hill makes the second foul shot. That scenario: they have the ball with 4 seconds left down by 1.

- Let's say JR Smith understands that we are tied with 4 seconds left. He shoots? Probably misses over Durant (that isn't his game). He passes? Lebron shoots a deep/mildly contested 3 (what's his % .. 38%??)


Which scenario gives us the best CHANCE to win? The first one.

As expected, NBA Last Two Minute Report backs referees on LeBron/Durant charge/block call

Kurt Helin
NBC Sports•Jun 1, 2018, 9:19 PM

OAKLAND — Did you really expect anything else?

While there were a lot of things that led to the Cavaliers losing Game 1 — shooting 27 percent from three, the J.R. Smith moment of legend, questionable transition defense — the thing that bothered the Cavaliers most was the reversal of a charging call on Kevin Durant with 36.4 seconds remaining. They could have been up two with the ball, and instead, Durant hit a couple of free throws and the game was tied.


The Cavaliers were livid that a review was triggered, however, and as expected, the NBA backed the officials in the Last Two Minute Report.

The crew was not reasonably certain whether James (CLE) was in the restricted area after an offensive foul was called against Durant (GSW). Upon replay review, it was confirmed that James was outside the restricted area. The referees also reviewed whether James was in a legal guarding position, which is an additional reviewable matter for this replay trigger. Replay showed James was not in a legal guarding position because he was turning his body and moving into Durant when contact occurred. Thus the initial call on the floor was overturned and James was assessed a blocking foul.

Many people were confused, and this is rare, but in the final two minutes officials can overturn a charge/block call upon review. However, that review can only be triggered by the question of whether the blocking player was in the restricted area or not (sort of like reviewing if a shot was a 3 or a 2).

There are two issues here.

The one that has the Cavaliers upset the most is that a review was triggered at all — LeBron James was not that close to the restricted area. To use the legal phrasing, the overturn is the fruit of a poisonous tree.

“They called a charge, right?” a visibly frustrated Cavaliers coach Tyronn Lue said after the game. “And LeBron was clearly four feet outside the restricted area. So it doesn’t make sense to go review something… He wasn’t close.”

If one were cynical, one would note that referees Ken Mauer and Tony Brothers made opposing calls on the play — one a block, one a charge — then they settled on the restricted area question to go look at the tape. They knew he was outside the area, they just wanted another look at it.

The second question is: Did they get the call right?

I think they did. I think it was a block. However, this was a bang-bang NBA play and it could be argued either way. NBA officials live in a gray area and this is right in the middle of it.

Steve Kerr was asked about the rule and said he’d like to see less replay in the NBA, not more. With charge/block calls in particular, I agree. Are referees going to get some wrong? Yes. Human error is part of the game — put in systems to lessen it, but it’s going to exist.

The league thought there was one missed call in the final two minutes: With 12.1 seconds left, the referees missed a Draymond Green foul out high on LeBron as he tried to get set for his last shot.

Also, the report says there was a lane violation on George Hill‘s second free throw, but that it did not impact the play.

Bottom line, as it always is with the Last Two Minutes Reports, it’s all moot. Nothing changes.

And we move on to Game 2 and see if the Cavaliers can bounce back from that punch to the gut.

https://sports.yahoo.com/expected-nba-last-two-minute-222429463.html
Edited to add link

I didn't get to see any of the game, but just saw the video of the play in question. I have never understood the block/charge calls made so I won't comment on that aspect. However, if the reason for review was to see if LeBron was in the restricted area then that is a complete sham.

Yep, at MINIMUM they went to review a different aspect of the play.

IMO, there was no NEED to even review it. He was literally 2 feet outside of the restricted area ... if someone was 2 feet outside of the 3 point line and shot it, I doubt there'd be a review

Kinda like Ken Star and the Blue Dress ..