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It's a sports fanbase.. we talk about all sorts of things and please don't apologize, your professional insight has been a breath of fresh air..

Out of curiosity, have you been a follower of the board for a long time, or just stumbled across recently?

This made me laugh out loud. But here’s why. I literally bawled during a Kleenex commmercial. To the extent that I could not speak. This was completely a hypocritical moment for me. My pain was so visceral and palpable that it was beyond control. See I was that judgmental fool at one time. Who rolled my eyes at people claiming ‘depression’. Get over yourself already. Little did I know choice does not factor into the equation and it damn sure doesn’t discriminate. Here is what I know. Whether you’re religious, believe in karma or just the theory of relativity - check yourself before you criticize and judge. Because I can assure you it will come back to you. Think it’s all [censored]? The world has a funny way of letting you know reality. Usually from making you experience the thing you are so quick to discredit. I’ve seen it time and again. Never fails.

Which was the issue my wife faced which I mentioned earlier.. She had 3 different diagnosis from 3 different mental health professionals and all any of them wanted to do was to pump her up with meds.. She was willing to eventually get to the medication part but for goodness sake, can we at least find agreement in what the problem is first? Can we lay out a total treatment plan of how we are going to combat this as a team before we get to the hardcore mind-altering drugs?

Her other issue was the side effects... not just the ones she had to the meds she tried but the ones listed as possible. Now a lot of humor has come out of the long list of potential side effects that certain medications have to have and I get it...

But when you take somebody with extreme anxiety.. a condition which normally causes you to think the worst is going to happen and causes you to have trouble trusting people, etc.. and tell them to take this drug and the side effects are internal bleeding, seizures, night terrors, and potentially death.. then when they ask about the side effects the response from the doctor is "Don't worry about it, those things are really rare."

Really? Don't worry about it? You are telling a person with extreme anxiety, "Don't worry about it?".. they are seeing you specifically BECAUSE they struggle processing their fears and they CAN'T STOP WORRYING ABOUT THINGS.. How did this person get to be a mental health professional any way?

I never knew this board existed. Lol. I was googling kate spade and found a link here. I’m a huge UGA fan (like obsessive) so maybe my search history liked the ‘dawg’ reference in your forum name? Just a guess

You’ve no idea how I relate to this. Telling someone with panic/anxiety (which by the way was my problem and untreated leads to depression) is like telling a baby not to suck a bottle. Dimwits. I tried 5 different meds before I found lexapro. Several made me sleep 14 hours a day. One made me so indifferent my house could have been ablaze and I would have been like ‘oh well. That sucks’. I take the lowest dosage of lexapro and it does not alter my personality or cause any side effects. I will always take it. It prevents the meltdown and allows for me to process the situation. And either take action. Or give up and not give a [censored] after:)

I know this thought process you have here and I am not laughing, please don't think, but its that chuckle of "you have got to be kidding me" type thing.

Our new running back is from UGA.. maybe you can stick around.. will warn you though, not all threads (and by not all, I mean none) are this civil..

Neither am I. Bahaha

Our new running back is from UGA.. maybe you can stick around.. will warn you though, not all threads (and by not all, I mean none) are this civil.. [/quote]

Wow, its it crazy how things turn out huh? What a world we live in. Im not a religious person, but FATE is certainly something I tend to side with, and I think you found this thread for a reason. I can certainly say, after a few comments with you, and thinking about this thread all night last night - it has certainly been way too long since I have seek any type of treatment, or have discussed this in general. Even though I am in a good place, and have been for awhile, I certainly need to put more focus back on it. (which is another issue as well, once we feel good, we think we are good. we do not continue to pursue WHY we are feeling good. I have to remind myself there is not a cure, only treatment).

I have to admit that I don't remember the name of the medication my wife finally ended up with but it is helping.. the kids have noticed that mom isn't on edge nearly as much as she used to be.. not prone to the knee jerk overreactions of the past.. there have been some side effects but nothing that can't be managed.

The most troubling side effect for her was weight loss.. I know, most women in their 40s would consider some weight loss a plus and not an adverse side effect but my wife is already very tall and very thin.. she cannot afford any more weight loss. Fortunately that stabilized and now that she has been on the meds for a while, her appetite is coming back...

This is the most profound thing I’ve read in years. Honest. I don’t believe in coincidences either. And therapy is good for everyone - catharsis is healthy with or without a mental health crisis. Taking care of your psyche is paramount to everything else. The rest will follow. Thank you for your insight. It’s so encouraging

It’s so important to understand that what works for one person won’t work for the next necessarily. Our body chemistry’s are different. And the molecular structure of each med is designed to target and supplement one or multiple different parts of the brain. Only through trying them will you find what your body needs.

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EVERYONE!!! Read above - DC, Swish, OCD, CHS, Pitt, etc. . . . . .

Just sayin, I will be referring to this endorsement in the future!

Great now willit is gonna turn up the entire summer lol

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At some point in time, I may go into more detail.

At this point, suffice it to say I know someone that suffered abuse as a child. This person was able to "lock" those memories away - for decades. Until something brought it all back. And it was dark for a long time. Barely getting by.

Counselor, physchiatrist - and benzo's. And an addiction.

And no, it wasn't me, for those wondering. A very good friend.

Sad to see that Anthony Bourdain has suffered the same fate as Kate Spade.

Ikr? And I thought he was chill as ice. You really never know

The face is the mirror of the mind, and eyes without speaking confess the secrets of the heart.

-St. Jerome

I always thought it dangerous that he continue to drink after admitting he was a hard core drug addict. It’s not only dangerous, but sure fire failure to assume you can handle any sort of abusable substance with that history. I may be wrong, but he was special if he could cope. And I mean the only case I’ve ever known

You can put this in your signature block..

didn't see that one comin'....

You want to stop smoking here take some Chantix it will help you. Side effects include suicidal thoughts and tendencies.

Have some pimples you want to get rid of here just take this accutane. Side effects include suicidal thoughts and tendencies.

Have some allergies you don't want? No problem take this Singulair. Side effects include suicidal thoughts and tendencies.

Hey do y'all want to get over the flu? No problem just take this Tamiflu. Side effects include suicidal thoughts and tendencies.

So your blood work came back with a cholesterol level of 205 no worries folks just pop these magic pills. Side effects include suicidal thoughts and tendencies.

Your already depressed and need some help. Just visit your DR who can give you a script for anti depression meds. Side effects include suicidal thoughts and tendencies.


Anybody starting to see a pattern here?

Charles Krauthammer, the beloved and brilliant Fox News Channel personality who gave up a pioneering career in psychiatry to become a Pulitzer Prize-winning political analyst, on Friday revealed the heartbreaking news that he is in the final stages of a losing battle with cancer.

The 68-year-old’s incisive takes on politics of the day have been missing from Fox News Channel’s “Special Report” for nearly a year as he battled an abdominal tumor and subsequent complications, but colleagues and viewers alike had held out hope that he would return to the evening show he helped establish as must-viewing. But in an eloquent, yet unblinking letter to co-workers, friends and Fox News Channel viewers, Krauthammer disclosed that he has just weeks to live.

“I have been uncharacteristically silent these past ten months,” the letter began. “I had thought that silence would soon be coming to an end, but I’m afraid I must tell you now that fate has decided on a different course for me.”


"This is the final verdict. My fight is over.”



- Charles Krauthammer
Krauthammer, who graduated from Harvard Medical School in 1975 despite a first-year diving accident that left him a quadriplegic, explained that he had a malignant tumor removed from his abdomen last August. Although a series of setbacks left him in the hospital in the ensuing months, he believed until recently that he was on the road to recovery.

“However, recent tests have revealed that the cancer has returned,” Krauthammer wrote. “There was no sign of it as recently as a month ago, which means it is aggressive and spreading rapidly. My doctors tell me their best estimate is that I have only a few weeks left to live. This is the final verdict. My fight is over.”

Rupert Murdoch, executive chairman of Fox News and its parent company, 21st Century Fox, said Krauthammer has been a giant of journalism and a key part of the channel's success.

"Charles has been a profound source of personal and intellectual inspiration for all of us at Fox News," Murdoch said. "His always principled stand on the most important issues of our time has been a guiding star in an often turbulent world, a world that has too many superficial thinkers vulnerable to the ebb and flow of fashion, and a world that, unfortunately, has only one Charles Krauthammer.

"His words, his ideas, his dignity and his integrity will resonate within our society and within me for many, many years to come," Murdoch added.

Fox News viewers will undoubtedly miss Krauthammer’s formidable intellect and ability to analyze politics and politicians with a cerebral wit and keen charm. As the dean of “The Fox News All Stars,” the panel of pundits who break down headlines and events nightly on Fox News Channel’s top-rated “Special Report,” Krauthammer could be counted on to make viewers think, question and even chuckle.

Krauthammer was on his way to greatness in the medical field when he veered first into policy, and then into journalism. After medical school, he became chief psychiatry resident at Massachusetts General Hospital, where he studied depression and published ground-breaking findings in top medical journals. But in 1978, he took a job in the Carter administration directing planning in psychiatric research and later served as a speech writer for Vice President Walter Mondale.

It was in the nation’s capital that Krauthammer trained his mind and talents on political analysis and began penning columns for The New Republic, Time magazine and finally the Washington Post. In 1985, he won journalism’s top prize for his weekly political commentary. In his sobering farewell, Krauthammer said he is “grateful to have played a small role in the conversations that have helped guide this extraordinary nation’s destiny.”

“I leave this life with no regrets,” Krauthammer wrote. “It was a wonderful life – full and complete with the great loves and great endeavors that make it worth living. I am sad to leave, but I leave with the knowledge that I lived the life that I intended.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/...ing-letter.html

68 is young. At least in my professional world.
Cancer sucks. The fight is worse than the disease and in many cases gets you no closer to a quality life. Or an extended life. Often times the fight, chemo/radiation, only makes your last days more uncomfortable.
I commend him for knowing when the fight is over. Hope he has time to get his stuff in order and say goodbye to all those that love him.

Remember when Trump made fun of Krauthammer for being in a wheelchair?

"That guy can't even buy pants!"

Amen buddy Amen

Jc when exactly did we get sold on the idea that life is fair and that we should expect to live a pain free life ? Life is pain and disappointment and loss and living with unfullfilled dreams ... Always has been always will be . I understand the why of suicide it is the ultimate personal choice .

We cannot change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude...I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it. And so it is with you...we are in charge of our attitudes.”
- Charles R. Swindoll

So..................not one person besides myself sees the correlation between depression, suicides, and social isolation that can affect both adults and teens?

Seriously?

Is arguing about gun control and making our schools fortresses that important to you that you can't concede that our youths are even more prone to these problems than adults are?

And you wanna get all high and mighty about saving our youths????

Wake up!

Dude, you have serious problems. No one here responded to you post, except me I think, and you chime back in just to complain that no one agreed with you and for people to "wake up."

Thanks for telling me I have serious problems. I hope you feel better about yourself now.

Look, your opinion is as valid, maybe even more valid than others, but if there was some simple solution for everyone to see, we could have fixed this long ago.

No one else in this conversation complained that others didn't agree with them. You stated your opinion, waited how long, then jumped back in and to complain how others didn't agree with you. No conversation, no comments with any new substance , nothing. A post to only complain about how others didn't agree with you, and how they were wrong, or better yet, how they need to "wake up."

No we wouldn't have. Because there are many things that we already know would greatly reduce the number of suicides and we won't do any of them...

Just like we know exactly what will help us physically to keep our weight under control thus reducing the likelihood of diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, but most people won't do them...

Intellectually we know 1000 things that would make us better, happier, healthier people.. and, as a culture, most people don't do them...

Lot of this comes down to cost.....

1.00 for a cheeseburger or 8.00 bucks for lettuce and shaved carrots.......

Except that when you're already depressed and need help, meds are the answer! Anti-depression meds are a wonderful thing and work for millions of people. So lets not go down the road saying that meds are bad. Meds are the scientific evolution that has allowed the human race to go from an average lifespan of 30 years to like 80 years.

Don't be that guy who says "You're depressed? Try going outside and getting fresh air and surround yourself with puppies."

Because that really doesn't work.

Depression is an illness. Illnesses are treated and managed with meds.

Well he didn't post a 3 hour video about this and then complain that no one watched it.

What he's saying isn't wrong. Isolation leads to depression, and depression can lead to suicide. And our teens can feel overly isolated this day and age, even with the advancement of social media, where you'd think isolation would be at an all time low. However, I think that social media has the opposite effect on those already isolated, and only exacerbates their isolation when they see everyone else so engaged.

These isolated kids need friends.

I got picked on a ton as a kid, and no matter how bad I felt about my social position in school, or how bad I was made fun of, I knew that I had my solid core of 3-4 friends. That was a tremendous help.

I now have a daughter who gets picked on, is obviously "different" than other kids in her class, but she has 1-2 really good friends that we do all we can to keep her engaged with. Friends are these kids salvation in my opinion.

Meds are not solely the answer. They assist with treatment, and help manage certain factors, absolutely. But there is no 1 size fits all with this.

No, it doesn't come down to cost... that is a giant myth. I can make a really nice salad with spinach/lettuce, veggies, meat, hard boiled egg, salad dressing at home and have a glass of water or tea or lemonade for $2.25...

Your $1 to $8 comparison is only true if you eat the majority of your meals at fast food restaurants.. if you do that, you are just lazy. And if you get the $1 cheeseburger, then you probably get the $1 fries and the $1 drink.. you are now over $3 with tax.. I can make/eat one hell of a salad for cheaper than you can buy that... The difference is that it takes a little bit of planning, a little bit of time, and a little bit of desire... beyond that, you need a refrigerator, a knife, a bowl, and a fork...