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How much does it cost to house, feed, and contain the average prisoner per year? I heard about $80k per inmate. In lieu of the recent recent kardashian plea to release a non violent offender.

How many imprisoned are for non violent, drug related offenses? I would release a good portion of those people early, and bring back the chain gang. I hear tUSA is in need of transportation, infrastructure repair.

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The Vera Institute of Justice released a study in 2012 that found the aggregate cost of prisons in 2010 in the 40 states that participated was $39 billion.

The annual average taxpayer cost in these states was $31,286 per inmate.

New York State was the most expensive, with an average cost of $60,000 per prison inmate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/nyreg...study-says.html


According to the Bureau of Prisons, there are 207,847 people incarcerated in federal prisons. Roughly half (48.6 percent) are in for drug offenses. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, there are 1,358,875 people in state prisons. Of them, 16 percent have a drug crime as their most serious offense. There were also 744,600 inmates in county and city jails. (The BOP data is current as of July 16. From BJS, the latest jail statistics are from midyear 2014, and the latest prison statistics from year-end 2013.) That’s an incarceration rate of about 725 people per 100,000 population.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/releasing-drug-offenders-wont-end-mass-incarceration/

There’s a lot to unpack in this thread.

For instance, despite being called the land of the free, we own about 25%of the words prison population. Yes, despite China being multiple times larger than our population, we own way more of the prison population than even they do.

Do we have THAT many bad people in this country? Or do we often jail people for the dumbest things? We have some of the most archaic and draconian laws on our books, especially dealing with drug offenses. We have some of the most heavy handed judges in the world, and then combine with the FACT that our ex cons Are STILL punished after serving their time.

You do realize if you lived in China, you would either:

1) Have to give up some of your ""hobbies", or
2) Spend a lot of time in prison.

In China, you would quickly be discovered to be a "pot head" and sent away.

We have a lot of people in prison because we have a lot of freedoms.

We have a lot more "bad people" because they have the freedom to be bad - up to a point.

0 + 0 = 0 is pretty complicated stuff for the #PuffPuffPass crowd .... not that the two have anything to do with each other .... ...

the point of bringing up china was about the overall prison population, not drug related prisoners compared to chinese drug related prisoners.

please tell Diam 0+0=0 only if you didn't miss the overall point of mentioning china.

my post was overall, not just specifically drug related.

lmao what?

I love how dumb their thoughts can be. "In China, it is illegal to smoke weed and they will throw you in prison. In America the same thing happens to a greater extent and that is why we have freedom."

What's really wack is...

3.5 billion dollars per year enforcing marijuana laws

Millions incarcerated for MJ

Black men 3.73 times more likely to be incarcerated for MJ

88% of arrests are for simply "having" MJ

Almost any other country in the free world would have (and already has) decriminalized marijuana possession if the numbers painted this kind of picture. We can't because the elite buy elections... and build prisons. We just continue to prop up the age-old narrative of bad-black-man-drug-pusher-criminal-menace-to-society.

...and this is the face of such thinking:





Somewhere, a shelf is missing its (evil) elf.
They should be reunited, ASAP.

That’s kind of my point, instead of having tax payers pay, to babysit nonviolent, smaller amount of drug possessors. Why not have them give back to society?

The transportation infrastructure in America is in need of maintenance and repair. The way I see it, we can alleviate a burden on taxpayers, let inmates work for their freedom, while giving back to the community.

Not sure about chain gangs...Educate or rehabilitate seems more helpful for the non violent offenders.

There are already chain gangs. Maybe not chained, but in my town I often drive past prisoner buses where they are picking up trash on the side of the road.

Country/Territory Recreational Medical Cultivation Notes

Afghanistan
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Afghanistan
Notes
Albania
Illegal but often unenforced Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Albania
Notes
Algeria
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Algeria
Andorra
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Angola
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Angola
Antigua and Barbuda
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Illegal (decriminalized) Legal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Argentina
Notes
Armenia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Armenia
Australia
Decriminalised for personal use in the Northern Territory, South Australia, the Australian Capital Territory, and Victoria. Legal for medicinal and scientific purposes. Legal only for medicinal and scientific purposes.
Main article: Cannabis in Australia
Austria
Possession for personal use decriminalized as of January 2016. Cannabis-derived drugs Allowed for medical and scientific purposes.[10]
Main article: Cannabis in Austria
Azerbaijan
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Azerbaijan
Bahamas
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in the Bahamas
Bahrain
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Bahrain
Bangladesh
Illegal (unenforced) Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Bangladesh
Notes
Barbados
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Barbados
Belarus
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Belarus
Belgium
Illegal (decriminalized up to three grams) Cannabis-derived drugs[14] Illegal (decriminalized one plant)
Main article: Cannabis in Belgium
Notes
Belize
Illegal (decriminalized to 10 grams) Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Belize
Notes
Benin
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Benin
Bhutan
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Bhutan
Notes
Bolivia
Decriminalized up to less than 50 grams Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Bosnia and Herzegovina
Notes
Botswana
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Botswana
Notes
Brazil
Illegal (decriminalized for small amounts and private use) Illegal Illegal (decriminalized for small amounts)
Main article: Cannabis in Brazil
Notes
Brunei
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Brunei
Bulgaria
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Bulgaria
Notes
Burkina Faso
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Burundi
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Cambodia
Illegal (unenforced) Illegal Illegal (unenforced)
Main article: Cannabis in Cambodia
Notes
Cameroon
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Cameroon
Canada
Illegal Legal Illegal (small amounts of plants tolerated)
Main article: Cannabis in Canada
Notes
Cape Verde
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Cape Verde
Central African Republic
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in the Central African Republic
Chad
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Chile
Illegal (decriminalized) Legal Legal[31]
Main article: Cannabis in Chile
Notes
Colombia
Illegal (decriminalized for up to 22 grams for personal use). Legal for medicinal and scientific use. Legal up to twenty plants for personal consumption. No limit for medicinal or scientific use, and if licensed by the "National Anti-narcotics Council"
Main article: Cannabis in Colombia
Notes
Comoros
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Comoros
Notes
Costa Rica
Illegal (decriminalized)[47] [48] Illegal Illegal (decriminalized)
Main article: Cannabis in Costa Rica

Cuba
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Cuba
Cyprus
Illegal Limited use of cannabis-derived drugs.[52] Illegal (decriminalized for some farms to grow hemp)
Main article: Cannabis in Cyprus
Notes
Czech Republic
Illegal (possession of up to 15g decriminalized) Legal Illegal (cultivation of up to five bushes decriminalized/cultivation for medicinal purposes subject to license legal)
Main article: Cannabis in the Czech Republic
Notes
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in the Democratic Republic of the Congo
Denmark
Illegal for recreational use, however, the law is often unenforced by police. (Declared legal in Freetown but this is unrecognized by Danish authorities) Legal Legal with government license. Licenses issued for medical production only.
Main article: Cannabis in Denmark
Notes
Djibouti
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Dominica
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Dominica
Class B drug to cultivate, sell or possess.[59]
Dominican Republic
Illegal Illegal Illegal
East Timor
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in East Timor
Ecuador
Illegal (decriminalized up to ten grams) Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Ecuador
Notes
Egypt
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Egypt
Notes
El Salvador
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Illegal Illegal Illegal


Eritrea
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Estonia
Illegal (decriminalized) Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Estonia
Notes
Ethiopia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Ethiopia
Notes
Fiji
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Fiji
Finland
Illegal Legal under license. Illegal (medicinal use only)
Main article: Cannabis in Finland
Notes
France
Illegal Some cannabis-derived drugs. Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in France
Notes
Gabon
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Gabon
Gambia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in the Gambia
Georgia
Illegal, but possession for personal use decriminalized Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Georgia (country)
Germany
Illegal
Recreational consumption is allowed on the basis of it being considered self-harm. Legal to those with a prescription Illegal
(Legal if permission is given by "Federal Institute for Drugs and Medical Devices")
Main article: Cannabis in Germany
Notes
Ghana
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Ghana
Greece
Illegal (but the amount of 0.5 grams or 1 pure/2 impure cannabis cigarettes decriminalised in court if made sure to be for personal use).[79][80] Legal for medicinal purposes Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Greece
Notes
Greenland (Kalaallit Nunaat)
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Greenland
Grenada
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Grenada
Guatemala
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Guatemala
Notes
Guinea-Bissau
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Guinea
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Guyana
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Guyana
Notes
Haiti
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Honduras
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Honduras
Notes
Hong Kong, SAR of China
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Hong Kong
Notes
Hungary
Illegal Illegal illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Hungary
Notes
Iceland
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Iceland
Notes
India
Illegal at the federal level.
Legal or tolerated in several states such as Bihar, Odisha, Uttarakhand, West Bengal and the North-Eastern states.
Decriminalized in Gujarat. No Illegal at the federal level.
Industrial hemp legal at the state level in Uttarakhand.
Legal or tolerated in several states such as Bihar, Gujarat, Odisha, West Bengal and the North-Eastern states.
Main article: Cannabis in India
Notes
Indonesia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Indonesia
Notes
Iran
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Iran
Iraq
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Iraq
Ireland
Illegal[96] Illegal[96] Illegal[96]
Main article: Cannabis in Ireland
Notes
Israel
Illegal (Decriminalised) Legal Licensed medicinal providers only
Main article: Cannabis in Israel
Notes
Italy
Illegal (decriminalized; allowed religious usage) Legal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Italy
Notes
Ivory Coast
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Ivory Coast
Jamaica
Illegal (decriminalized), legal if Rastafarian Illegal Legal
Main article: Cannabis in Jamaica
Notes
Japan
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Japan
Notes
Jordan
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Jordan
Kazakhstan
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Kazakhstan
Kenya
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Kenya
Kiribati
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Kosovo
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Kuwait
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Kyrgyzstan
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Illegal (unenforced) Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Laos
Latvia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Latvia
Notes
Lebanon
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Lebanon
Notes
Lesotho
Illegal Illegal Medicinal cultivation with Ministry of Health authorisation[115]
Main article: Cannabis in Lesotho
Liberia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Liberia
Libya
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Liechtenstein
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Lithuania
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Lithuania
Luxembourg
Illegal (decriminalized) Legal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Luxembourg
Notes
Macau, SAR of China
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Macau
Macedonia
Illegal Legal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Macedonia
Notes
Madagascar
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Madagascar
Malawi
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Malawi
Notes
Malaysia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Malaysia
Notes
Maldives
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in the Maldives
Mali
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Mali
Malta
Illegal (decriminalized up to 3.5g) Legal for medicinal purposes Illegal
Notes

Main article: Cannabis in Malta
Notes
Marshall Islands
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Mauritania
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Mauritania
Mauritius
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Mauritius
Mexico
Decriminalized for personal use. Legal for medicinal and scientific purposes.
THC content below 1%.[125] Legal for medicinal and scientific purposes.
Decriminalized for personal use.
Main article: Cannabis in Mexico
Notes
Micronesia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Micronesia
Moldova
Illegal (decriminalized) Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Moldova
Notes
Monaco
Illegal Illegal Illegal


Mongolia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Montenegro
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Montenegro
Morocco
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Morocco
Notes
Mozambique
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Mozambique
Myanmar
Illegal (unenforced) Illegal Illegal (unenforced)
Main article: Cannabis in Myanmar
Namibia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Namibia
Notes
Nepal
Illegal (legal during Maha Shivaratri) Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Nepal
Notes
Netherlands
Illegal but tolerated in 'coffeeshops', Decriminalized up to five grams (in case of a police control it is still confiscated), and for public use. Legal Illegal (decriminalized up to five plants; plants are generally still destroyed.)
Main article: Cannabis in the Netherlands
Notes
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New Zealand
Illegal Limited cannabis-derived pharmaceuticals Illegal
See also: Cannabis in New Zealand
Notes
Nicaragua
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Niger
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Nigeria
Illegal illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Nigeria
North Korea (DPRK)
Unknown Unknown Unknown
Main article: Cannabis in North Korea
Notes
Northern Mariana Islands
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in the Northern Mariana Islands
Notes
Norway
Illegal (decriminalized) Legal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Norway
Notes
Oman
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Oman
Pakistan
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Pakistan
Notes
Palau
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Palau
Panama
Illegal Legal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Panama
Notes
Papua New Guinea
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Illegal (decriminalized up to ten grams) Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Paraguay
Notes
People's Republic of China (PRC)
Illegal Illegal Illegal[40]
Main article: Cannabis in China
Peru
Illegal (decriminalized) Limited use of cannabis oil. Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Peru
Notes
Philippines
Illegal Provision for medicinal use as per Comprehensive Dangerous Drugs Act of 2002. Pending Government approval Illegal (For medicinal and scientific purposes only)
Main article: Cannabis in the Philippines
Notes
Poland
Illegal Legal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Poland
Notes
Portugal
Illegal (decriminalized) Illegal Illegal (decriminalized)
Main article: Cannabis in Portugal
Notes
Puerto Rico
Illegal Legal Illegal (medicinal use only)
Main article: Cannabis in Puerto Rico
Notes
Qatar
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Qatar
Republic of the Congo
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in the Republic of the Congo
Romania
Illegal; ban often unenforced) Legal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Romania
Notes
Russia
Illegal (decriminalized), possession of quantities of up to six grams Illegal Illegal (decriminalized), cultivation of up to twenty plants[citation needed]
Main article: Cannabis in Russia
Notes
Rwanda
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Rwanda
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
Illegal Illegal Illegal
San Marino
Illegal Legal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in San Marino
Saudi Arabia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Saudi Arabia
Notes
Senegal
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Senegal
Serbia
illegal [162] Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Serbia
Notes
Seychelles
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Sierra Leone
Notes
Singapore
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Singapore
Notes
Slovakia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Slovakia
Notes
Slovenia
Illegal (decriminalized) Cannabis-based drugs Legal for quantities with ≤ 0.2 % THC on a ≤ 0.1 ha surface, or ≥ 0.1 ha surface with a governmental permit for cannabis cultivation.[170]
Main article: Cannabis in Slovenia
Notes
Solomon Islands
legal legal legal
Somalia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Somalia
South Africa
illegal but unconstitutional illegal but unconstitutional illegal but unconstitutional
Main article: Cannabis in South Africa
Notes
South Korea
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in South Korea
Cannabis banned under the Cannabis Control Act of 1976.[177]
South Sudan
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Spain
Legal (Private areas only, illegal in public areas (decriminalized), offenders receive an administrative fine.) Possession of more than 70/100gr. (depending on the autonomous community) is considered as possession with the intention of trafficking.[178] Limited cannabis-derived pharmaceuticals Legal (Only for own consumption. If the plants are located somewhere visible from the street/public place, it is an administrative offense[179])
Main article: Cannabis in Spain
Notes
Sri Lanka
Illegal Used in some Ayurvedic medicines Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Sri Lanka
Notes
Sudan
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Sudan
Suriname
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Suriname
Notes
Swaziland
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Swaziland
Sweden
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Sweden
Notes
Switzerland
Illegal (decriminalized) Legal for medicinal purposes. Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Switzerland
Notes
Syria
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Syria
Notes
São Tomé and Príncipe
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in São Tomé and Principe
Taiwan (Republic of China, ROC)
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Taiwan
Notes
Tajikistan
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Tanzania
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Tanzania
Thailand
Illegal (Poorly enforced) Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Thailand
Notes


Togo
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Tonga
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Trinidad and Tobago
Notes
Tunisia
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Tunisia
Notes
Turkey
Illegal Legal Legal for medicinal and scientific purposes.[200]
Main article: Cannabis in Turkey
Notes
Turkmenistan
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Tuvalu
Illegal Illegal Illegal
U.S. Virgin Islands
Illegal (decriminalized), possession of quantities of up to an ounce Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in the United States Virgin Islands
Notes
Uganda
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Uganda
Ukraine
Illegal (decriminalized possession of quantities of up to five grams) Illegal Illegal (decriminalized up to ten plants)
Main article: Cannabis in Ukraine
[203]
United Arab Emirates
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in the United Arab Emirates
Notes
United Kingdom
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in the United Kingdom
Notes
United States
Illegal at the federal level (but legal at the state level in nine states and Washington, D.C.; decriminalized in eighteen states. All Indian Reservations are allowed to regulate cannabis laws; laws vary by reservation.) Federally illegal; medicinal legal in 29 states, Puerto Rico, and Guam.[207] All Indian Reservations are allowed to regulate cannabis laws; laws vary by reservation.) Illegal at the federal level, permitted locally in some states allowing recreational or medical use.
Main articles: Legal history of marijuana in the United States and Legality of cannabis by US state
Notes
Uruguay
Legal (but buying prohibited for foreigners) Legal for all uses. Legal
(up to six plants)
Main article: Cannabis in Uruguay
Notes
Uzbekistan
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Uzbekistan
Notes
Vanuatu
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Venezuela
Illegal(Decriminalized-able to hold up to 20 grams) Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Venezuela
Notes
Vietnam
Illegal (unenforced) Illegal (unenforced) Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Vietnam
Yemen
Illegal Illegal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Yemen
Zambia
Illegal Legal Legal if licensed by the Minister of Health
Main article: Cannabis in Zambia
Zimbabwe
Illegal Legal Illegal
Main article: Cannabis in Zimbabwe


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_country

While that is true, I’m taliking about serious infrastructure. Add a lane to a highway, rebuild a bridge.

Better yet .... how about we have them go pick the fruit and do the farm work other americans won’t do so we don’t “need” illegals to do it ...

WIN/WIN ....

yes I luv slave labor, let's use more of it.

$80k to house a prisoner when the median household income to raise a family of 4 is $55k??? Someone is spreading propaganda to push an agenda.

Fresh off my week long vacation (Thanks2V), I thought I'd address your ridiculous and horrific idea of enslaving those who shouldn't be serving time anyway just to save you a few pennies in taxes. I'd say your white privilege has once again got in the way of any common sense you could have.

I'd bet you have no idea what chain gangs symbolize and what those who served on them went through. Imagine being chained like a dog and worked like a borrowed mule on trumped up charges, turned into slave labor by a corrupt government selling your services off to local elites to profit from.

You should be ashamed of yourself for promoting these things. The right wants to remove all protections and move backward to a time they perceive whites were kings... Being less than rich and white was no better then than now and if you actually studied a little history you would know that.



This is already being done in some places... Failure just like everything else that Trump and alt-right promote as good ideas.

I don't think he meant chain gangs in the true sense of the word but having nonviolent offenders do manual labor in place of serving a term in prison.

You know, in one of the threads we were discussing how people today fail to take responsibility for their own actions.
How they lack personal accountability.

Now here you come, blaming others for what you did to get suspended.

Classic.
Exactly what we were talking about.

I know what you both did, I know who you both are...

So now its a conspiracy.

No, it is simply your fault for breaking board rules.

man, people really do love slavery in this country.

The use of very descriptive adverbs and adjectives does not equal name calling. I'm very careful to not do that... BUT reading comprehension is an issue that seems to affect many on this board, some refs included.

So I took a bad rap, but whatever.

I have no clue what you did but now you are blaming the Refs too.

This is getting spooky.

What did you just call me?

Name calling is against board rules.
Therefore I called you OCD.

Why would you call me that? Is that my name? That's insinuating I have a disorder... NAME CALLING! but it's ok, I'm a big boy.

I don't know why bro.. but we are a country of excess.. for good and for bad... We have 4 of the 5 richest people in the world.. we have by a wide margin the largest military... we also have about the highest violent crime rate of developed countries.. the most people in prison...

I don't believe we have inherently bad people, I just keep questioning our culture... the values we are passing on, etc..

Wish I had a better answer.. simple fact is, I don't know..

one of the topics i'm currently researching is the history of how nations became states(countries) just for fun.

one of the ideas i wanted to expand on is how we as Americans never really take a step back and realize that we have been doing this for a whooping 243 years. just think about how many other countries have centuries upon centuries as people to progress their culture and what is now their modern government systems.

i think for a country like us coming up in this certain era of history, especially with regards to tech throughout the last century, has created this unrealistic idea of how fas society is supposed to progress, when in reality, it was always suppose to be at a moderate pace. but its creating conflict, nonetheless.

but back to the main point. our prison system, imo, somewhat reminds me of the system of justice in the middle ages. very harsh punishments for even the pettiest of crimes, public shame, executions, very religious based, and always trying to get coin out of the peasants.

and if you read up on who the pilgrims actually were, then you would see why i brought up the middle ages.

so when you look at european countries laws today, it certainly appears that in general, they are far less heavy handed on punishment than we are. but it probably has something to do with that they have been at it a lot longer than we have.

just my thought on what could be a reason for why our culture is the way it is. we're still toddlers.

With Puritanical roots for our morality and jurisprudence. We may have been spawned from the Magna Carta, but we drop big hammaz on those who buck the protocol.

I hate to speak for Buck but I don’t believe he is white. I know he is not a conservative.

I agree with this assessment of Buck.

I've read him for years. He's no FOXervative, by any stretch. I've found him to be a respectable, thoughtful poster who doesn't 'play on teams.'


OCD: You make valid points about chain gangs, and you may see this issue differently, BUT...
...You should get to know Buck, as well.

I've enjoyed reading his take on things here in PP, though he doesn't post nearly as often as TheUsualSuspects®. Frankly, I'd like to see him more often. I think you'd enjoy his thoughts too, once you get more than this snapshot of him in this thread.


.02,
Clemmy

My bad then, just how he reads to me in this thread. If he's minority and liberal... that makes his thoughts on this even worse imho. I expect this type of talk from the white right in here, not the left.

Thanks for pointing my mistake out though.

Copy that, will do.

Buck, I'm a little trigger happy after my time off for bad liberal behavior.

jc

Me I prefer we just execute all violent offenders and be done with it. I don't support any jail time above 5 years. It's wastes taxpayer money and all it does is turn them into hardened criminals.

A guys pend 20 years in jail and is going to do what when he gets out? No one will hire him. He won't have current job skills. Most decent places to live will not accept his application. What choices will he even have to survive? Most of the time he will just cause a new crime, try to go out in a bang, or do some small crime to go back to where he can get three square meals a day and is generally safer than living on the streets.

The current system doesn't work.

There it is....you gotta toe the line and be a cookie cutter member to be on the left...no independent thought allowed outside of the party lines no matter how off kilter they may be.....kinda cult-ish.