The only way I see that happening is if Tyrod has an absolutely superstar season, and takes this team to the playoffs. (and I don't mean a 14 TD 4 INT type year)
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
So many people, from multiple coaches and multiple players, say in one way or another that his car is there before they pull in and still there where they're exiting. Consistently. It's been repeated over and over and it's not even training camp.
He's also throwing the ball well and anticipating where the WRs will be in route. He sounds so incredibly mature and flat out awesome in his interviews. He's already a leader. There's just so much being said right now about him.
Maybe I'm getting too pumped having known lil' about him and just learning it all.
Tyrods warts, such as it where, are pretty much unanimous, starting with his high % of sacks he has taken, holding the ball too long in tying to extend the play.
His low TD% per attempt is another. Just 3.3%/A in 2017; in 2015 it was 5.3%/A, which is a pretty decent number really ... 2015 was also Taylor's high water mark for; TD passing (20), Cmp% 63.7, (64% & ^ is preferred.) Y/C 12.5, Y/G 216.8, (+30/2017) and total passing yards, with 3,035, with, but 27.1 A/G/14 games. Roethlisberger attempted 37.4 A/G in 2017 for comparison.
What is skewing his overall total passing yardage and TD's a little, is his rushing statistics. With that said, Tyrod will still need to have more passing attemps and more completions per game (above his pro-bowl high water mark season.) in order to take a step forward imo.
If he can do this and also cut down on the sacks without lowering his Cmp%, then it can be said that he indeed took a step forward in 2018.
Incognito is a weird dude, but he is a good guard. I think Taylor had plenty of time to throw. He just holds it a lot and leaves the pocket too early. I think those things drove his coaches and the fans nuts.
What was Buffalo's o-line like? Anyone pay attention enough to give a legit answer?
I don't think Buffalo's OL was "thee" cause of Tyrod's high sack numbers. Early in this thread Buffalo's OL rankings were posted and they weren't bad.
Tyrod tends to hold the ball. The receiving personnel didn't get open quickly/ nor as often as compared to other receiving groups. The passing offense didn't scheme the receivers open. The OL was good but not good enough to overcome issues listed above.
What was Buffalo's o-line like? Anyone pay attention enough to give a legit answer?
I don't think Buffalo's OL was "thee" cause of Tyrod's high sack numbers. Early in this thread Buffalo's OL rankings were posted and they weren't bad.
Tyrod tends to hold the ball. The receiving personnel didn't get open quickly/ nor as often as compared to other receiving groups. The passing offense didn't scheme the receivers open. The OL was good but not good enough to overcome issues listed above.
I saw the stats, especially the rush yards - but I haven't paid attention to them and know stats don't reveal it all. I've read that Taylor has a tendency to hold the ball, so it very well could be a big part of the culprit for those sack numbers.
I appreciate everyone's input. I watch the Bills only when we play them and honestly didn't even know they had that weirdo Incognito.
if i recall last year Robert Woods signed with the Rams. Sammy Watkins left Buffalo. that right there was Taylor's 2 biggest threats jettisoned out of Buffalo. he was left with who...Zay Jones and Charles Clay (?) then in mid season they acquire Kelvin Benjamin. but hes a red zone threat but not much in moving the chains Taylor didnt have much on the perimieter to work with in 2017. this is the most talent Taylor has had at his disposal offensively. dont be surprised to see Taylor KILL defenses on 3rd and 5 WITH his legs. Gordon will occupy a CB and S. Landry will eat up.the 2nd CB. Njoku will be singled up with a LB or S that leaves the spy LB who has to.choose between the dump off to Johnson or stay on Taylor
Testimonials from players on other teams are always great affirmations of talent. Cleveland Browns quarterback Tyrod Taylor got just that from his Pro Bowl center with the Buffalo Bills, Eric Wood.
Wood joined the Jim Rome Show and had very positive things to say about Cleveland’s new starting quarterback.
Rome noted he was a fan himself of Taylor and proceeded to ask Wood about his thoughts on his teammate for the last three seasons in Buffalo.
I think Tyrod is a really efficient quarterback,” Wood responded. “He does not turn the ball over a whole lot. He’s not going to make a bunch of headlines with his mouth, but very very efficient at the position.”
Wood is also bullish on how much Taylor can help No. 1 overall pick Baker Mayfield,
“I think it’s a great pickup for Cleveland. There is no one better for Baker Mayfield to learn work habits from that Tyrod.”
Wood believes Taylor’s early career can prove invaluable for Mayfield,
“He sat for a while in Baltimore so he got to observe and he saw what it took to be a big-time quarterback…he learned from Joe Flacco how to prepare, and he learned leadership qualities from Ray Lewis.”
The full segment from Wood on Taylor and the Browns is available here courtesy of the Jim Rome Show.
Incognito is a weird dude, but he is a good guard. I think Taylor had plenty of time to throw. He just holds it a lot and leaves the pocket too early. I think those things drove his coaches and the fans nuts.
Agreed. I didn't mention Incognito because I didn't remember how long he was in Buffalo.
But those are certainly two of Tyrod's biggest flaws. Holds the ball too long and leaves the pocket early. That causes a lot of sacks.
But I think I made the point earlier, how often are the sacks only for a short loss because Tyrod leaves the pocket/scrambles out of a sack, and ends up tackled close to the LOS
EDIT: Hopefully that's something that Haley can get out of him (and help Baker, who as a rookie naturally will probably have these problems too).
Haley got Big Ben throwing the ball earlier, hopefully the same can be done with Tyrod.
Hopefully that's something that Haley can get out of him (and help Baker, who as a rookie naturally will probably have these problems too).
Haley got Big Ben throwing the ball earlier, hopefully the same can be done with Tyrod.
Haley might be able to help, but we have to remember that Big Ben could always read defenses post-snap. He would just extend plays to make big plays. So, it's not like Haley helped Ben improve his processing skills. He just got him to take the first open look.
23 Apr 2018 The Deep Ball Project Guest column by John Kinsley
Every offseason, I independently chart quarterbacks on what I like to call the Deep Ball Project. What's the catch? Every throw that reaches at least 16 yards in the air is constituted as a downfield pass. For this year's edition, Football Outsiders has been kind enough to give me a platform to further spread the word of mouth.
This is the fourth edition of the Deep Ball Project, which of course means I have been doing this since 2014. There has been a lot of numerical analysis of many parts of football and especially of quarterbacking, but there has generally been very little dedicated to analyzing downfield passes. That's where the Deep Ball Project comes in, and it makes an effort to differentiate accuracy from completions. Completion percentage is a highly valued stat in football, and while that's included in the Deep Ball Project, a greater emphasis is played on accuracy percentage. Accuracy percentage takes a look at whether the pass was or wasn't accurate, regardless whether it was caught.
Tyrod Taylor, like Smith, wasn't spectacular in accuracy but took outrageously good care of the football despite playing with arguably the worst receiving corps in the league, poor pass protection, and the second-highest rate of tight windows in the league.
Tyrod Taylor was the only quarterback to be accurate on all of his passes to open windows. He was also fourth on play-action, only behind Dak Prescott, Aaron Rodgers, and Eli Manning.
Only six quarterbacks went the entire season without throwing a single inaccurate completion: Dak Prescott, Aaron Rodgers, Tyrod Taylor, Marcus Mariota, Nick Foles, and Jimmy Garoppolo.
Tyrod Taylor, like Smith, wasn't spectacular in accuracy but took outrageously good care of the football despite playing with arguably the worst receiving corps in the league, poor pass protection, and the second-highest rate of tight windows in the league.
Tyrod Taylor was the only quarterback to be accurate on all of his passes to open windows. He was also fourth on play-action, only behind Dak Prescott, Aaron Rodgers, and Eli Manning.
This is good news. He should have better protection, he'll definitely have better receivers, and the tight window rate should be fewer.
"I am undeterred and I am undaunted." --Kevin Stefanski
"Big hairy American winning machines." --Baker Mayfield
Tyrod faced the 28th most amount of pressure and had the 7th highest DVOA against pressure.....his DVOA without pressure was 25th which puts him in this rare category according to FBO:
Originally Posted By: FBO
Earlier we mentioned how Cutler always ranked higher in DVOA with pressure as opposed to being kept clean, which is rare. The same was true for all three of Tyrod Taylor's seasons as Buffalo's starting quarterback.
Haley might be able to help, but we have to remember that Big Ben could always read defenses post-snap. He would just extend plays to make big plays. So, it's not like Haley helped Ben improve his processing skills. He just got him to take the first open look.
That's true I guess. More-so he got Ben to become better at prioritizing than reading defenses, which might not be Tyrod's issue (I haven't seen enough of him to say to be honest. Just enough to recognize he does hold the ball longer than I'd like).
The jist of what I’ve heard from Ben about Haley’s influence is that Haley taught him to not wait so long on the “deeper” stuff ... Ben basically said he was keeping his eyes downfield too long and “ignoring” the shorter stuff in hopes of hitting the deep stuff ...
Haley taught him to take “whats there” quicker ... i want to say he taught him to check down but thats not accurate at all by the standard definition of the term ...
Vers is right in that Ben could always read D’s ... my take on what i’ve heard from Ben is Haley basically taught him not to be so STUBBORN about waiting for the deep stuff to open up and to take what was there ...
U wanna look into a STAT that MAY actually be meaningful ....
I think it was TT’s first year starting that Watkins stood relatively healthy ... they hooked up at least a few times deep ... look and see how long TT held the ball in the games Watkins played vs the games Watkins didn’t play that year ...
That MAY actually yield some relevant information ...
I think the big thing w/the Steeler situation was that they didn't want Ben to get hurt and also thought taking all those shots would shorten his career. Haley got him to stop extending plays by running around behind the LOS.
I am not positive about this, but I think Taylor's situation is different. I think his processing skills are slower and he often waits until a receiver breaks open rather than throwing w/anticipation and/or throwing him open.
I agree with U on both counts ... the Stilers made it clear the day they hired Haley it was to prolong Ben’s career by making him get rid of the ball quicker ...
I also agree on TT ... my only glimmer of hope is:
- he had Rex Ryan as his HC his first two years - then he had a HC last year that literally got stuck with him ... he pooped on TT at his opening presser and made it clear he didnt want him or think he was a good QB from day 1 ... he’s also a D guy ...
That’s my only glimmer that he can become an above average QB ...
Normally at this stage of a guys career I’d say pigs flying out of my ass is more likely than TT transforming .... with TT I’d move the odds all the way down to highly highly unlikely but not completely out of the realm of possibility ...
I have watched Taylor enough to know that he holds it too long and waits until guys break wide open, but I haven't watched him enough to know if he is just afraid to throw picks or if he really can't read coverages.
I have watched Taylor enough to know that he holds it too long and waits until guys break wide open, but I haven't watched him enough to know if he is just afraid to throw picks or if he really can't read coverages.
Its hard to really assess a QB when he has one of the best running O in the league supporting him...
IMHO, he's a good/efficient QB, but he will never carry a team on his shoulders, that's why he was traded in the first place.
That's true I guess. More-so he got Ben to become better at prioritizing than reading defenses, which might not be Tyrod's issue (I haven't seen enough of him to say to be honest. Just enough to recognize he does hold the ball longer than I'd like).
Maybe Tyrod can't read defenses...maybe he can. For me that's an assessment that requires far more information and breakdown.
But there are certainly factors that suggest that between the upgrades at WR and with Haley's scheme and playcalling that should result in Tyrod getting the ball out quicker.
However; I don't expect there to be seismic shift in time to throw numbers. Tyrod is a playmaking QBs and whether its Wilson or Rodgers they tend to hold the ball longer then QBs that don't extend plays.
I still think Tyrod is going to have the best season of his career...time will tell....could be fun season.
The Cleveland Browns will eventually turn to rookie quarterback Baker Mayfield, the No. 1 overall pick of the 2018 NFL Draft.
For now, however, veteran signal-caller Tyrod Taylor has the keys to the offense and his share of fans within the locker room.
Browns linebacker Christian Kirksey complimented Taylor's leadership during a Tuesday guest appearance on NFL Network.
Wide receiver Jarvis Landry took his turn Thursday on The Rich Eisen Show when asked how Taylor looked during the offseason.
"Amazing," Landry told Eisen. "Amazing, man. His leadership, his arm, his accuracy and he's ready, man. He's the starting quarterback, and I'm sure that, obviously, the decision is up to [head coach] Hue [Jackson] and the offensive staff, and stuff like that. But I'm sure they've been highly impressed with [what] he's done through OTAs and minicamp."
Taylor, whom the Browns acquired via trade with the Buffalo Bills during the offseason, projects as the starter ahead of training camp. While there could be some competition between Taylor and Mayfield, Landry didn't see any issues with the current pecking order.
The Browns wide receiver pointed out how Taylor has been to the Pro Bowl as a member of the Bills, adding the quarterback was a member of the Baltimore Ravens' Super Bowl-winning team.
Those experiences should benefit Mayfield as he waits his turn and absorbs the professional game under Taylor's mentorship.
"He sees it as an opportunity for him to grow at the position," Landry said of Mayfield. "A guy like Tyrod, who's been to the Super Bowl, who took a Buffalo team that hasn't been to the playoffs to the playoffs, he can learn a lot from Tyrod. At the same time, I think it's a competition, but I think it's true at the same time both guys are definitely qualified for the job."
The Cleveland Browns will eventually turn to rookie quarterback Baker Mayfield, the No. 1 overall pick of the 2018 NFL Draft.
For now, however, veteran signal-caller Tyrod Taylor has the keys to the offense and his share of fans within the locker room.
Browns linebacker Christian Kirksey complimented Taylor's leadership during a Tuesday guest appearance on NFL Network.
Wide receiver Jarvis Landry took his turn Thursday on The Rich Eisen Show when asked how Taylor looked during the offseason.
"Amazing," Landry told Eisen. "Amazing, man. His leadership, his arm, his accuracy and he's ready, man. He's the starting quarterback, and I'm sure that, obviously, the decision is up to [head coach] Hue [Jackson] and the offensive staff, and stuff like that. But I'm sure they've been highly impressed with [what] he's done through OTAs and minicamp."
Taylor, whom the Browns acquired via trade with the Buffalo Bills during the offseason, projects as the starter ahead of training camp. While there could be some competition between Taylor and Mayfield, Landry didn't see any issues with the current pecking order.
The Browns wide receiver pointed out how Taylor has been to the Pro Bowl as a member of the Bills, adding the quarterback was a member of the Baltimore Ravens' Super Bowl-winning team.
Those experiences should benefit Mayfield as he waits his turn and absorbs the professional game under Taylor's mentorship.
"He sees it as an opportunity for him to grow at the position," Landry said of Mayfield. "A guy like Tyrod, who's been to the Super Bowl, who took a Buffalo team that hasn't been to the playoffs to the playoffs, he can learn a lot from Tyrod. At the same time, I think it's a competition, but I think it's true at the same time both guys are definitely qualified for the job."
Yep! Been hearing a lot of good things about him.
He may not be the top tier elite, but he's light years ahead of what we've had and I think our players that have been here see that. They always say it. The coaches always say it.
Guy is working hard and is in a position IMO where his upside is still there and can grow. If our line protects him and both Gordon and Landry are there, he'll be solid I think. Seth/David there and what I hope is a dose of successful run game, that sounds like a rock solid environment for any QB.
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