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Has Trump finally gone too far?

By Max Boot
June 18 at 2:52 PM

Up until now, Trumpism has been a largely victimless crime. Or, to be exact, one whose victims were largely speculative and unnamed.

President Trump has been doing great damage to the fabric of our democracy with his venomous attacks on the free press (“Our Country’s biggest enemy”), the FBI (a “den of thieves and lowlifes”), people of color (who hail from “craphole countries” and “maybe shouldn’t be in the country” if they don’t stand for the national anthem), the political opposition (traitors who don’t “seem to love our country very much”) and other favorite targets. He has been doing just as much damage to America’s international standing by attacking our allies (e.g., calling Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau “very dishonest & weak”) and praising our enemies (e.g., calling North Korean leader Kim Jong Un “tough,” “smart,” “talented,” “funny”) while launching trade wars and tearing up international agreements.

Many have warned that this country will pay a heavy cost in the long run for Trump’s destructive acts. But it has been hard to point to individuals who have already suffered. Trump’s trade wars, for example, have begun to bite mostly only for Iowa farmers and Michigan autoworkers — and much of the impact will be so dissipated for consumers that it may not be immediately noticeable.

But with his barbarous policy of separating the children of undocumented immigrants from their parents, Trump has finally provided vivid, camera-ready examples of how his policies are destroying the lives of ordinary people. This goes beyond previously reported cases of undocumented immigrants deported after decades of contributing to this country. The suffering of adults — and adult men at that — doesn’t pique popular sympathy the way that the mistreatment of children does.

The almost 2,000 kids taken from their families over a six-week period and warehoused in detention facilities that some compare to Nazi concentration camps are not speculative, theoretical victims. They are all too real, and their plight is heart-rending. Finally the impact of Trumpism has a face: that of a 2-year-old Honduran girl who is seen bawling in a photo splashed across the front page of the New York Daily News under the headline: “Callous. Soulless. Craven. Trump.”

And it is not only the Daily News — a regular critic of Trump — that finds the family-separation policy repugnant. So does its rival, the New York Post, one of Trump’s biggest cheerleaders and reportedly his favorite newspaper. It editorialized: “Stop breaking up families at the border.” The same message was delivered by the normally apolitical former first lady Laura Bush, who compared the detention of immigrant children to the detention of Japanese Americans in World War II. Also speaking up is evangelical leader Franklin Graham, normally an apologist for Trump, who called this policy “disgraceful” and “terrible.” Even current first lady Melania Trump has condemned the family separations.

This policy is so awful that Trump and his minions feel compelled to lie by claiming that they are simply carrying out legislation that Democrats refuse to repeal – even though these sadistic edicts are entirely the result of an executive-branch policy decision. Why would Trump do something so evil? Because he is desperate.

His No. 1 policy priority has been to stop the arrival of migrants at the border. But May saw the arrest of more than 50,000 people crossing the U.S. border with Mexico for the third month in a row. That’s nearly three times the number detained in May 2017, showing that for all of Trump’s “fire and fury,” he has not managed to secure the border. Failing at his top task, he is lashing out at defenseless mothers and children in the hope that his inhumanity will scare other immigrants from coming.

Given the widespread outrage that his diabolical policy has generated, you might think that the president has finally gone too far. Except for one thing: The sheep in Republican clothing are refusing to break with him even over something so wicked. Forty-nine senators support Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s Keep Families Together Act – but not a single Republican has signed on. Even Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), the most liberal member of the Senate GOP caucus, is willing to criticize the family-separations policy but won’t support the effort to repeal it.

I can only speculate that Republicans, seeing the fate of Trump critics such as Rep. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.) — who was just defeated in his primary after the president tweeted an endorsement of his opponent — are so petrified of crossing the vengeful strongman in the White House that they are voluntarily separating themselves from their sense of right and wrong.

So it may not make any difference that Trump’s victims are finally visible — and pitifully young. His GOP enablers are so craven, so soulless, so abject in their dishonor that they will allow any amount of human suffering rather than risk suffering the wrath of Trump. The president may finally decide to end the family-separation policy simply to stem the deluge of calamitous publicity, but he won’t be forced to act by Congress. If only we could keep the hard-working Latin American newcomers and deport the contemptible Republican cowards — that would truly enhance America’s greatness.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/glob...m=.04394c6a2fa2

You don't need a new thread for this. It belongs in the other thread.

No one stops to think what should be done to keep the parents from dragging their kids into a country they don't belong in the first place.

How about we take care of our own poor people first. There are places in the USA where kids live life worse than 3rd world countries. I've worked with some of them and it's a fact. Charity should start once your own family is fed first.

I’d LOVE to know where the folks from Chicago’s inner city go when they seek asylum ... *shrugs* ...

This is racism distilled.

Hyde Park.

What does this have to do with anything posted?

I hope punchsmack still reads the forum. That post was my favorite joke.

Well done.

I lived in Logan Square for 5 years.

I’d love to know what you understand about inner-City America.

The only thing you seem to understand is how to employ Russia propaganda techniques.

Another thing you understand is to only look out for those who are similar to you. Your post history trashed minorities any time you can.

Maybe you understand more about inner-city America than you did about Brady Quinn, but that’s doubtful.

No need to inject "Russian propaganda techniques" when mocking a dude who pees his pants if there's brown people in Times Square.

#PuffPuffPass is struggling a bit with logic again i see ..

Here ... one more time ... 0 + 0 = 0 ..

This entire debacle is over folks coming here SEEKING ASYLUM cause they want to escape GANG VIOLENCE .... Chicago’s inner city is a SHOOTING GALLERY on the weekends ...

Does that help or are we all ready baked today? ...

Enjoy your day dawg ... i’m Out ...

Again, one has nothing to do with the other.

You just gave a 0+1=0 argument.

Run run run away when your arguments won’t last a day!

I bet theres huge inner city gang problems in rural alaska ... just like with the illegals .... ...

What do u know about me and my LIFE EXPERIENCES ... not much .. just keep ASSuming ... its a pretty good strategy to go through life with ... ...

Now it’s 0+2=0

Quick math.

... u think this board has “arguments” .... i’d say this board is a CLUBFEST ... who can hit the other over the head with their club first, fastest and hardest ... actually .. its an INSULT FEST ...

Diam’s a racist, hes dishonest and the most hated man on the board .... u guys can’t add 0 + 0 = 0 or #PuffPuffPass ....

Ya, intelligent debate at its finest ... *LOL* ...

Debate never really existed here and its just gotten worse ... just look at what Clem has turned into ... 90% of his posts are now nuttin but CLUBBING the crap out of anyone that don’t agree with him ... he’ll mix in a convo with will or Dawg once in awhile ... he used to be by far the classiest dude on these boards ... in here now, not so much ...

Running from an “argument” ... ... just shows what u know about me ... i’ve NEVER RAN from a thing in my life ...

And this is why i need to go ... WASTE OF TIME .... BYE BYE ..

Damn rocket.

You triggered Diam so bad, he had to respond to the same post twice!

Great area. My favorite bar and brewery (Revolution) are both in Palmer Square. I'm totes living in a state of panic due to gangs whenever I'm there.

I taught in the inner-city before Alaska. Toledo, Ohio.

Please educate us with what you know from white privledge of inner-city concerns. I’m sure you’ll respond with “WHATABOUT CHICAGO?!”

Reasonable debate existed here before 40 showed up and you came back after your Brady Quinn embarrassing exile. People of opposite political opinions would back me up on this.

Are you going to run, or are you going to reply with more screwed up math?

40 hits you with unemotional facts and you blame him for your troubles.

You can blame me for having a bit of fun now and then with my Trump meme's.

I blame you for wanting to Make America Great Again.

I just want to Make America America Again.

The guy who posts YouTube tribute videos of a doughy senile creep set to military scores is here to hit us with unemotional facts.

Trouble is, your idea of America along with OCD and CHS has already failed in Venezuela.

Sorry to break it to you, dude, but America was always this
way.

It's like a FOX News mad lib.

Can we get the thread back on track about how Trump has gone too far with this? He's seriously separating children from their parents! Young children!!! I'd kill any man who tried to take my children from me! The thought is horrible, makes me sad, and it breaks my already bleeding heard for the children and families.

I do not care that they're crossing over to our country "Illegally". I hate our immigration policies. People should be able to come here if they wish, become citizens, and be like everyone else. That's how it used to be. That's how it was at Ellis Island, and they even put up a plaque on the Statue of Liberty about it. But today that plaque no longer speaks the truth. And it's sad!

Keep those kids with their families Trump.

And anyone who supports this policy is disgusting.

So if you make an argument for it, I don't care what the argument is, that's disgusting. It's never OK to detain children, not even if they're Mexican for all you racists.

They can, its called LEGAL immigration.....

His supporters make excuses for everything from mocking a disabled person to comments like he grabs them by the pu$$y. Nothing goes too far for people who claim to be Christians and claim to have family values when it's someone they support. The man holds zero values they claim to stand for and they elected him.

Christians have spent hundreds of years warning us about the anti-Christ. Then when he finally comes along, they vote him into the presidency.

(Yes, that last part was a joke so all you Nancy's lighten up.)

Trump's policy to separate families is a crime against humanity. Two crimes don't make a right bucko.

Some people just can't understand if you let everyone come here that wants to, uncontrolled, this Nation's economy would be stretched to the breaking point and we would end up being like the crap country they ran from.

Oh we understand that. We just don't understand that a policy which is a crime ... actually a crime against humanity can continue in the USA.

So why can't these families just cross over to our country, and become citizens? Why build a wall? Why block them at all? Why divide their families by ripping their children away???

All they have to do is allow them in, and get them on the path towards citizenship. Ya know, kind of like when your ancestors came here! Unless you're 100% Native American.

How dare these people do exactly what our ancestors did!!!!!!

So many people arguing over who did it first, (Housing illegals in detention centers) as if who did it first ever solved anything.

It should be pointed out that while Clinton, Bush and Obama had detention centers along the border, they never ripped the kids away from families as Trump and some of his idiots claim..

But, going to far is what the Trump/Sessions Policy has done this time. When they hurt innocent children, that's one foot in hell with the other trailing a short distance behind.

Trump can fix this with one call or swipe of the pen. He can do that, but if he does, he'll tick off the 40's and the Diams of America and he can't have that now can he.

So, what's he do, comes up with lie after lie. Typical, not sure what I would have expected other than that.

Well tell the Democrats to stop playing this issue and work with the Republicans in Congress to fix it.
They are meeting now and Trump is heading down there later to discuss what they come up with.

This is where I draw the line. Illegal immigration is illegal. It was different when the USA was building a empire. Times have changed. Illegal immigration needs to stop. So does separating families. Both are crimes.

Congress can pass any law it wants right now with zero Democrat support.

Stop parroting a senile moron.

Because 7 billion people on this planet cannot come to America, unchecked. You have to have to guidelines and limits on immigration, otherwise the economy and country will collapse......

Playing what? The GOP and Trump are using kids as pawns and committing crimes against humanity to get a immigration bill favorable to Trumps admin fascist beliefs. And I'll bet there won't be a thing in the bill that protects immigrant families from being separated at the border, which is a crime against humanity.

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Ladies and gentlemen, THIS is the face of Trump's America. To ensure that this face fades from public view, the next 2 election cycles are critical. Somewhere, a rock was overturned- and this is what crawled out. Sheets, tiki torches, walls, uniforms snatching children... they are all visible symptoms of a festering rot that lives within the body public. Know them for what they are. Call them what they are. Then shine the harsh light of Truth upon them- and send them skittering back under the rocks and behind the floorboards from whence they came.

Disgusting.
Contemptible.
Anti-american.

Trump is using it to bring the issue to a head, forcing Congress to do something about it.

The Democrats are using it because they finally have an issue to stick it to the Republicans and Trump on.

It is an election year!