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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Let's not focus on one side there willit. Trump lashes out all the time. It's the catalyst for a lot of this.

It's no excuse for the Dems to act this way though.
I literally stated this.....

Not that the right has not done that either in the past, but it most certainly is the worse I have ever seen in my lifetime now. superconfused

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I guess my issue is when you referred to it in "the past". Trump is current, not the past.


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well, the PAST thread was seconds ago, putting it in the PAST. Yesterday was the PAST, as well.

My point was generalization, however the rhetoric I do not recall this intense ever before Trump.

As someone stated, he maybe a catalyst, for both sides, but its not Trump as the reason.

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The left is using Trump as an excuse to lash out with no consequences.

And Trump is antagonizing, picking fights with the media/celebrities/allies/minority groups, whining about fake news (most of which is NOT fake), and setting himself up as the poor victim under attack...


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I'll just have to remember that everything that happened over ten seconds ago I can refer to as the past.

I believe if you think in a logical manner you can see why I misunderstood you. I'm glad you understand that what Maxine Waters said was in the past. lol


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it was. your welcome for the educational lesson. 40 will provide you with my hourly rates, those will be in the past as well as the future smile

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Any hourly rate would be overcompensation.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Any hourly rate would be overcompensation.


Any rate would be. lmao
I think Willi owes you Pit, bigly. wink

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Any hourly rate would be overcompensation.


Any rate would be. lmao
I think Willi owes you Pit, bigly. wink

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Nah. Sometimes we agree and sometimes we go back and forth. I don't take our back and forth banter to heart.

The whole "in the past" thing was funny though. The left "is doing it" while the GOP did in "in the past".

Yet Trump did it just this morning on Twitter attacking the restaurant that told Sarah Sanders to leave.

Now that's funny. I don't care who you are!


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You endorse a president whose life expounds everything that's the opposite of any Christian or family values then turn around and spout this crap? And you wonder why hypocrisy is something the left screams at you. lmao


I am a conservative SOCIALIST. I do not write a blank check of support for Trump at all. There are many things I don't like about him and the republican party. He is truly a sinner if there ever was one. Then again we are all sinners. I can forgive quite a bit when the one apologizing is repentant and means it.

My number one complaint about the last election was that there was no candidate worth my vote. It's in the forums so feel free to fact check me. I only voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary who is about as evil a politician as there is out there.

Christians support Trump because he is not hostile towards Christians. Liberals are perfectly fine with oppressing Christians and their values. While liberals want gays and lesbians to come out of the closet they want to stuff christians back into that same closet. "Fine have your faith, just shut up about it and keep it out of my sight."

Sorry man the gig is up and we have had enough of it. This is not hypocrisy it's called being fed up and being left with no other choice.


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Maxine Waters Calls on Americans to ATTACK Trump Staffers

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https://www.toddstarnes.com/politics/max...trump-staffers/



A far-left California congresswoman is calling on Americans to rise up and harass members of the Trump Administration.

“If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere,” Rep. Maxine Waters told a crowd of supporters over the weekend...



Maxine, I believe is one of the 10-worst politicians in our country, but she didn't call for attacks. Could her comments be taken that way or be taken out of context (like this article's title), yes. But she isn't making a call to violence.





What is she calling for?


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Ok, I'm as liberal as anyone here but I have to speak up about something and try to be nonpartisan for a moment.

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People are lashing out at Trump's staff in a take no prisoners way just like Trump lashes out at everyone stoking divides. I don't like seeing this.

Regardless of our differences in political views, we are all still human and American. I despise these people but would not do this to them going about their lives in their off time.

And it's also happening from the right. Trump supporters chased Ana Navarro (CNN Republican Contributor) for speaking out against Trump in a department store. And the video above, kids following Trump's lead in school bulling mexicans and other minorities...

This is where all of Trump's divisive rhetoric is leading us, we can't even be civil in public anymore. I know I stand my ground and lash out on here a lot, but I wouldn't even think about doing these things to you guys. This bothers me.

I just wanted to put that out there. I hope this all ends soon or we are going to be in a very bad place.


You could not be nonpartisan even on your best day. It's quite frankly impossible for you. Your actually a prime example of the typical liberal extremist. I know you well because your just like my own father.

Anytime someone starts to use logic or reason you just start flailing away at them with your name calling and demonizing. If someone uses logic you just scream away until its drowned out by your rage. It's the normal for liberals these days. Their demonstrations always end up in violence instead of debate which is the exact excuse colleges use to block the conservative voice.

"I'm sorry we can't have you speak on campus because the students might act out in violence. We can't keep you safe."

Their excuses are their own condensation. Liberals are violent and belligerent. You are supposed to let them do any vulgar, disgusting act in the name of free speech but let liberals hear of a poor cop trying to hold a prayer for victims and lawsuits and mayhem will ensue.

Christians are being forced to swing to conservative values because liberal extremists leave us with no choice if we want to protect ourselves from their PC intolerance and oppression. Trump has nothing to do with it. He is just the one giving a voice to the frustrations and rising anger from the oppression of the left against Christian values. Now that liberals have an easy target because a man finally had the sack to stand up against it they are swarming in desperation.

I'll prophecy for you right now. The political violence will soon be much, much worse. Christians are used to it though. Those who serve the flesh instead of the Lord always seek to oppress us. The bullies of the PC culture are starting to learn though that when you bully kind people to much that they eventually get tired of it and rise up to stop it.

It's only going to get worse. Much, much worse. I fully expect the violent liberals to try and kill Trump soon like they did against the congressmen just trying to play a game of baseball.


So I reach out and you reply with this but I'm the violent one? smh

To each his own Razor but don't expect us good "PC" folks to lay down when you come at us.


Yeah we got your message. You despise us and everything is all Trump's fault. Thanks for the reach out. Not like it's something new for you to say though. Liberals have been spewing intolerance towards traditional family values and religion in general for decades now.

I get it. I am a white Christian male so by default everything is my fault in the world. I am an evil and cold person because I want laws enforced and citizens who obey the laws. The message of liberals is very loud and clear. I mean why would people be fed up with liberal extremist at all. By all means turn the nation into California because liberalism makes such wonderful places to live.


You're kind of out there aren't you? Wow.

Please tell me how oppressed you are? Please tell me how us liberal extremists are attacking your christian values?

Get real. You should be addressing me, considering I'm the liberal atheist. I don't believe in your god, I don't believe in your bible, and I find it all ridiculous. BUT, I don't care if you believe in such things. Don't force it down my throat and I won't force my beliefs...or truths, down yours.

We run into problems when you want to make everything about god. When you want to force my kids to learn about god in public school. When you want to force my kids schools to teach the bible instead of evolution. When you base our laws of what you say to be christian values or claim something is god-given.

Or when you thank god you didn't die from an accident instead of thanking the medical professionals who saved your life.


I am a Christian and I am proud to say so. My entire life is about God. I am not going to go live in a closet and act ashamed just for your sake.

I have no problems with others not sharing my views or beliefs. None at all. It's when you try to take away my rights to express my beliefs that I have a problem. Your perfectly happy with erasing the entire purpose our country was founded on. Our country was founded on people having the right to worship God in their own way. For some that means not worshiping at all.

What it doesn't mean is that those who don't worship get to tell those that do to shut up and go hide in the closet.

You bring up the THeory of Evolution. It's a very flawed theory that has some good things in it. If it was taught as a Theory instead of as a fact or law I would have no problems with it. Yet the very core of it's theory relies on the origin of species. You understand that right? I mean from the big bang theory to everything else it's very similar to the bible's story of creation. The real difference is where does life start.

Where does life come from? For evolutionist unliving material brought itself to life and evolved itself. It doesn't matter that it's unprovable and can't be reproduced even though they have spent a LOT of money trying to. Logic and reason doesn't support the idea that nonliving things can bring themselves to life. It's what you BELIEVE without proof or evidence though. I just wish you wouldn't call it science when your acting on beliefs instead of facts.

I am honest with myself. I acknowledge my faith and my beliefs have no science involved. I have no problems with my faith being based on faith. It is after all faith. I also have evidence that your not capable of comprehending at this time. When I was saved by God's grace I literally felt his presence wash over me and change me. I know he is here because I can feel him. If you don't have the crucial bit of evidence then of course you won't believe me. I have no anger towards that at all.

Just don't preach fairy tails to my kids about how inanimate objects brought themselves to life and call it science when in reality it's just a different religion. At the least accept it as an unproven theory that is only a theory and not a proven fact.

I actually prefer that theory of evolution be taught in schools. However I would also prefer that the ideas from other cultures being taught too from a historical aspect. I think it's great to expose kids to how people from all over the world have come up believing this or that from hindu, taoism, buddhism, christian, jew, muslim, and other beliefs. I have studied them all myself and find them fascinating. I am very tolerant towards people having their own ideas even when I disagree with them.

I just don't tolerate hate covered up in fake words and intent. I always say things just as I mean them. I don't think any of you think of me as someone who sugar coats things. I am very honest about what I believe and I speak plainly so there are no misunderstandings to the best of my ability. I don't asked to be liked. I am fine with people not liking me at all. Don't get me wrong I am human. I would prefer people like me and get along with me. I just don't expect it or crave it. The Bible tell me so:

1 John 5:19
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

1 John 3:13
Do not be surprised, brothers, that the world hates you.

Romans 12:2
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

James 4:4
You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

1 John 2:1-29
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: ...

James 4:1-17
What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you? You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions. You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”? ...

2 Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

John 15:18-19
“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

I say again. I don't worry about being hated and I won't cower in the closet to avoid being hated either. I love God and I am proud to say so.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Let's not focus on one side there willit. Trump lashes out all the time. It's the catalyst for a lot of this.

It's no excuse for the Dems to act this way though.


I can certainly agree with you on this except that when Trump was still being nice the media still tore into him anyways. I mean in his perspective he has no reason to cater to the media anyways since they are hell bent on destroying him no matter what he does anyways.

It reminds me of the old philosophy where you present something really bad so that when you finally ask for what you want it's such a relief that it's not that, that the opposition gives you what you really want instead of the extreme that you presented.

"Hey Mom! I'm pregnant! No not really I just got a C in math 8( You can forgive me for that little thing right?"

It happens a lot in sales and business. Trump is a businessman so it doesn't really surprise me he uses the tactic. He even describes it in his book, "The Art of the Deal" that he wrote back in 1987. It's not like he is doing anything new or different so I am not that shocked by his rhetoric that much.


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Maxine Waters Calls on Americans to ATTACK Trump Staffers

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June 24, 2018


https://www.toddstarnes.com/politics/max...trump-staffers/



A far-left California congresswoman is calling on Americans to rise up and harass members of the Trump Administration.

“If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere,” Rep. Maxine Waters told a crowd of supporters over the weekend...



Maxine, I believe is one of the 10-worst politicians in our country, but she didn't call for attacks. Could her comments be taken that way or be taken out of context (like this article's title), yes. But she isn't making a call to violence.





What is she calling for?


This is her in all her glory



She is basically trying to incite riots which is illegal.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2101

She will get away with it though because she can argue that kicking people out of restaurants is not violent even though in the end it usually results in it.


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Maxine made an EXCELLENT speech there! BRAVO Maxine BRAVO!

I'm no fan of hers, but she is right. We can't let certain transgressions stand. I'm not a fan of bothering these folks in restaurants, malls, etc. and I personally would not do it... But if that's what it takes to get their attention, so be it.

And if she hurt your feelings saying "IMPEACH TRUMP!", we on the left don't really care. YOU elected a horrible man as President. Congress is not keeping him in check, the media can't keep him in check, so the people have to do it. Don't like it?, talk to Trump about what he's doing and how he's doing it.

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Burned and decapitated animal left on Homeland Security staffer's porch, report says

A burned animal carcass was reportedly left on the doorstep of a Department of Homeland Security staffer as tensions grow between the Trump administration and those who are protesting its "zero tolerance" immigration policy.

The acting deputy secretary of Homeland Security warned employees in a memo released Saturday that "there may be a heightened threat" against agency staffers, CBS News reported. The official said the alert came as "specific and credible threats have been levied against certain DHS employees."

Attorney Ted Williams speaks out about 'hatred' toward Trump administration officials.Video
Protesters target home of DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen
The memo, which said "thousands of employees" have had their personal information released to the public online, reportedly detailed safety precautions staffers could take amid the ongoing backlash of the treatment of illegal immigrants and their families at the U.S.-Mexico border.

"Always keep doors and windows locked" and "be aware of unexpected changes in and around your home," were recommendations made to agency employees. They were also encouraged to call 911 or the Federal Protective Service if they're feeling threatened.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/...eport-says.html

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Nancy Pelosi Calls Maxine Waters’s Comments ‘Unacceptable’ After Cry to Harass Donald Trump Officials

By Greg Price On 6/25/18 at 12:20 PM

http://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-maxine-waters-donald-trum-994393


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Burned and decapitated animal left on Homeland Security staffer's porch, report says

A burned animal carcass was reportedly left on the doorstep of a Department of Homeland Security staffer as tensions grow between the Trump administration and those who are protesting its "zero tolerance" immigration policy.

The acting deputy secretary of Homeland Security warned employees in a memo released Saturday that "there may be a heightened threat" against agency staffers, CBS News reported. The official said the alert came as "specific and credible threats have been levied against certain DHS employees."

Attorney Ted Williams speaks out about 'hatred' toward Trump administration officials.Video
Protesters target home of DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen
The memo, which said "thousands of employees" have had their personal information released to the public online, reportedly detailed safety precautions staffers could take amid the ongoing backlash of the treatment of illegal immigrants and their families at the U.S.-Mexico border.

"Always keep doors and windows locked" and "be aware of unexpected changes in and around your home," were recommendations made to agency employees. They were also encouraged to call 911 or the Federal Protective Service if they're feeling threatened.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/...eport-says.html


Maxine's minions at work. boo

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Burned and decapitated animal left on Homeland Security staffer's porch, report says

A burned animal carcass was reportedly left on the doorstep of a Department of Homeland Security staffer as tensions grow between the Trump administration and those who are protesting its "zero tolerance" immigration policy.

The acting deputy secretary of Homeland Security warned employees in a memo released Saturday that "there may be a heightened threat" against agency staffers, CBS News reported. The official said the alert came as "specific and credible threats have been levied against certain DHS employees."

Attorney Ted Williams speaks out about 'hatred' toward Trump administration officials.Video
Protesters target home of DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen
The memo, which said "thousands of employees" have had their personal information released to the public online, reportedly detailed safety precautions staffers could take amid the ongoing backlash of the treatment of illegal immigrants and their families at the U.S.-Mexico border.

"Always keep doors and windows locked" and "be aware of unexpected changes in and around your home," were recommendations made to agency employees. They were also encouraged to call 911 or the Federal Protective Service if they're feeling threatened.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/...eport-says.html


No way somebody on the left burned and decapitated an animal, not if they are truly liberal. Somebody on the right is an opportunist.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Burned and decapitated animal left on Homeland Security staffer's porch, report says

A burned animal carcass was reportedly left on the doorstep of a Department of Homeland Security staffer as tensions grow between the Trump administration and those who are protesting its "zero tolerance" immigration policy.

The acting deputy secretary of Homeland Security warned employees in a memo released Saturday that "there may be a heightened threat" against agency staffers, CBS News reported. The official said the alert came as "specific and credible threats have been levied against certain DHS employees."

Attorney Ted Williams speaks out about 'hatred' toward Trump administration officials.Video
Protesters target home of DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen
The memo, which said "thousands of employees" have had their personal information released to the public online, reportedly detailed safety precautions staffers could take amid the ongoing backlash of the treatment of illegal immigrants and their families at the U.S.-Mexico border.

"Always keep doors and windows locked" and "be aware of unexpected changes in and around your home," were recommendations made to agency employees. They were also encouraged to call 911 or the Federal Protective Service if they're feeling threatened.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/...eport-says.html


No way somebody on the left burned and decapitated an animal, not if they are truly liberal. Somebody on the right is an opportunist.



Maxine called for this her minions obeyed disgusting. boo

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I have too.... I can see I was wrong now though.... I never thought about it as racist but can see how it could be... I'm wondering if there are other sayings I have said in the past that could be racist...


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Probably.

"That's like the pot calling the kettle black." Pretty self-explanatory. Think of the context in which that phrase is usually employed. It's almost always used as a comparison between two undesirable traits, persons, etc. 'Black' is rarely used as a compliment (unless you're Wesley Snipes on a hijacked plane).

"Peanut gallery" This is a derogatory term that refers to the days of segregation, when Blacks were confined to the balcony seats in movie theaters. Peanuts were associated with Blacks during slavery.

"Sold down the river." Does this really need an explanation? Fine. In modern terms, it's a phrase that connotes betrayal. Its origins came from the 1800's when slave owners in northernmost slave states sold their chattel to deep south plantations. So, betrayal? Yeah- you might call it that.

"Grandfather clause." Originally referenced rules imposed in the 1890's by southern states to suppress minority voting, post Civil War. In these states, Blacks were allowed to vote only if their parents or grandparents were able to vote before the year 1867— so, um.... yeah.

There are a ton of'em. These are the ones I came up with instantly.

Oh, yeah. Almost forgot this one. This one was used a lot when I was a kid- ostly by old folks. I haven't heard it used in decades: "Spooks." Supposedly, the term was attached to blacks because they blend in with the night.. like ghosts. "Hey there, Spook- smile, so I can see ya!"

There are two types of people in the US who are experts at this particular genre of slang. Those who use it in everyday speech... and those who are targets of that speech.

I've been an unwilling expert for 50 years now. I've heard them all for most of my life.



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I have to disagree with you on the first one.

Black as a color symbolizes style, elegance and power.

This is why tuxedos are black.
As are power ties.
Little black dress.
Black limos and luxury cars.

I could go on and on.


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I like how you're thinking.


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Originally Posted By: Vambo
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Burned and decapitated animal left on Homeland Security staffer's porch, report says

A burned animal carcass was reportedly left on the doorstep of a Department of Homeland Security staffer as tensions grow between the Trump administration and those who are protesting its "zero tolerance" immigration policy.

The acting deputy secretary of Homeland Security warned employees in a memo released Saturday that "there may be a heightened threat" against agency staffers, CBS News reported. The official said the alert came as "specific and credible threats have been levied against certain DHS employees."

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The memo, which said "thousands of employees" have had their personal information released to the public online, reportedly detailed safety precautions staffers could take amid the ongoing backlash of the treatment of illegal immigrants and their families at the U.S.-Mexico border.

"Always keep doors and windows locked" and "be aware of unexpected changes in and around your home," were recommendations made to agency employees. They were also encouraged to call 911 or the Federal Protective Service if they're feeling threatened.

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No way somebody on the left burned and decapitated an animal, not if they are truly liberal. Somebody on the right is an opportunist.



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Interesting conversation towards the end.

I agree w/a lot and want to add on to some thoughts.

There are a ton of derogatory phrases towards blacks. However, there are also a ton directed towards other groups. Think about those directed towards women.

I'm Italian. We've been called Spaghetti Benders, Wops, Deigos, Grease Balls, Guineas, Guidos, etc.

Many of us are victims. Some choose to dwell in it, others choose to overcome it.

The color black? I agree w/Eve. It's my color of choice. I almost always wear black. It's the color of class, power, substance, and style.

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Ok, I'm as liberal as anyone here but I have to speak up about something and try to be nonpartisan for a moment.

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People are lashing out at Trump's staff in a take no prisoners way just like Trump lashes out at everyone stoking divides. I don't like seeing this.

Regardless of our differences in political views, we are all still human and American. I despise these people but would not do this to them going about their lives in their off time.

And it's also happening from the right. Trump supporters chased Ana Navarro (CNN Republican Contributor) for speaking out against Trump in a department store. And the video above, kids following Trump's lead in school bulling mexicans and other minorities...

This is where all of Trump's divisive rhetoric is leading us, we can't even be civil in public anymore. I know I stand my ground and lash out on here a lot, but I wouldn't even think about doing these things to you guys. This bothers me.

I just wanted to put that out there. I hope this all ends soon or we are going to be in a very bad place.


You could not be nonpartisan even on your best day. It's quite frankly impossible for you. Your actually a prime example of the typical liberal extremist. I know you well because your just like my own father.

Anytime someone starts to use logic or reason you just start flailing away at them with your name calling and demonizing. If someone uses logic you just scream away until its drowned out by your rage. It's the normal for liberals these days. Their demonstrations always end up in violence instead of debate which is the exact excuse colleges use to block the conservative voice.

"I'm sorry we can't have you speak on campus because the students might act out in violence. We can't keep you safe."

Their excuses are their own condensation. Liberals are violent and belligerent. You are supposed to let them do any vulgar, disgusting act in the name of free speech but let liberals hear of a poor cop trying to hold a prayer for victims and lawsuits and mayhem will ensue.

Christians are being forced to swing to conservative values because liberal extremists leave us with no choice if we want to protect ourselves from their PC intolerance and oppression. Trump has nothing to do with it. He is just the one giving a voice to the frustrations and rising anger from the oppression of the left against Christian values. Now that liberals have an easy target because a man finally had the sack to stand up against it they are swarming in desperation.

I'll prophecy for you right now. The political violence will soon be much, much worse. Christians are used to it though. Those who serve the flesh instead of the Lord always seek to oppress us. The bullies of the PC culture are starting to learn though that when you bully kind people to much that they eventually get tired of it and rise up to stop it.

It's only going to get worse. Much, much worse. I fully expect the violent liberals to try and kill Trump soon like they did against the congressmen just trying to play a game of baseball.


So I reach out and you reply with this but I'm the violent one? smh

To each his own Razor but don't expect us good "PC" folks to lay down when you come at us.


Yeah we got your message. You despise us and everything is all Trump's fault. Thanks for the reach out. Not like it's something new for you to say though. Liberals have been spewing intolerance towards traditional family values and religion in general for decades now.

I get it. I am a white Christian male so by default everything is my fault in the world. I am an evil and cold person because I want laws enforced and citizens who obey the laws. The message of liberals is very loud and clear. I mean why would people be fed up with liberal extremist at all. By all means turn the nation into California because liberalism makes such wonderful places to live.


You're kind of out there aren't you? Wow.

Please tell me how oppressed you are? Please tell me how us liberal extremists are attacking your christian values?

Get real. You should be addressing me, considering I'm the liberal atheist. I don't believe in your god, I don't believe in your bible, and I find it all ridiculous. BUT, I don't care if you believe in such things. Don't force it down my throat and I won't force my beliefs...or truths, down yours.

We run into problems when you want to make everything about god. When you want to force my kids to learn about god in public school. When you want to force my kids schools to teach the bible instead of evolution. When you base our laws of what you say to be christian values or claim something is god-given.

Or when you thank god you didn't die from an accident instead of thanking the medical professionals who saved your life.


I am a Christian and I am proud to say so. My entire life is about God. I am not going to go live in a closet and act ashamed just for your sake.

I have no problems with others not sharing my views or beliefs. None at all. It's when you try to take away my rights to express my beliefs that I have a problem. Your perfectly happy with erasing the entire purpose our country was founded on. Our country was founded on people having the right to worship God in their own way. For some that means not worshiping at all.

What it doesn't mean is that those who don't worship get to tell those that do to shut up and go hide in the closet.

You bring up the THeory of Evolution. It's a very flawed theory that has some good things in it. If it was taught as a Theory instead of as a fact or law I would have no problems with it. Yet the very core of it's theory relies on the origin of species. You understand that right? I mean from the big bang theory to everything else it's very similar to the bible's story of creation. The real difference is where does life start.

Where does life come from? For evolutionist unliving material brought itself to life and evolved itself. It doesn't matter that it's unprovable and can't be reproduced even though they have spent a LOT of money trying to. Logic and reason doesn't support the idea that nonliving things can bring themselves to life. It's what you BELIEVE without proof or evidence though. I just wish you wouldn't call it science when your acting on beliefs instead of facts.

I am honest with myself. I acknowledge my faith and my beliefs have no science involved. I have no problems with my faith being based on faith. It is after all faith. I also have evidence that your not capable of comprehending at this time. When I was saved by God's grace I literally felt his presence wash over me and change me. I know he is here because I can feel him. If you don't have the crucial bit of evidence then of course you won't believe me. I have no anger towards that at all.

Just don't preach fairy tails to my kids about how inanimate objects brought themselves to life and call it science when in reality it's just a different religion. At the least accept it as an unproven theory that is only a theory and not a proven fact.

I actually prefer that theory of evolution be taught in schools. However I would also prefer that the ideas from other cultures being taught too from a historical aspect. I think it's great to expose kids to how people from all over the world have come up believing this or that from hindu, taoism, buddhism, christian, jew, muslim, and other beliefs. I have studied them all myself and find them fascinating. I am very tolerant towards people having their own ideas even when I disagree with them.

I just don't tolerate hate covered up in fake words and intent. I always say things just as I mean them. I don't think any of you think of me as someone who sugar coats things. I am very honest about what I believe and I speak plainly so there are no misunderstandings to the best of my ability. I don't asked to be liked. I am fine with people not liking me at all. Don't get me wrong I am human. I would prefer people like me and get along with me. I just don't expect it or crave it. The Bible tell me so:

1 John 5:19
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

1 John 3:13
Do not be surprised, brothers, that the world hates you.

Romans 12:2
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

James 4:4
You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

1 John 2:1-29
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: ...

James 4:1-17
What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you? You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions. You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”? ...

2 Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

John 15:18-19
“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

I say again. I don't worry about being hated and I won't cower in the closet to avoid being hated either. I love God and I am proud to say so.
Razor, I am not religious, and there are somethings I do not agree with within your post, but for the most part, I completely understand, agree, and back where you are coming from with this. Well said sir.

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Burned and decapitated animal left on Homeland Security staffer's porch, report says

A burned animal carcass was reportedly left on the doorstep of a Department of Homeland Security staffer as tensions grow between the Trump administration and those who are protesting its "zero tolerance" immigration policy.

The acting deputy secretary of Homeland Security warned employees in a memo released Saturday that "there may be a heightened threat" against agency staffers, CBS News reported. The official said the alert came as "specific and credible threats have been levied against certain DHS employees."

Attorney Ted Williams speaks out about 'hatred' toward Trump administration officials.Video
Protesters target home of DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen
The memo, which said "thousands of employees" have had their personal information released to the public online, reportedly detailed safety precautions staffers could take amid the ongoing backlash of the treatment of illegal immigrants and their families at the U.S.-Mexico border.

"Always keep doors and windows locked" and "be aware of unexpected changes in and around your home," were recommendations made to agency employees. They were also encouraged to call 911 or the Federal Protective Service if they're feeling threatened.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/...eport-says.html
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Except the point that he didn't answer and that's how he is persecuted for being a Christian?

How are all the liberal atheists hurting him and his christian beliefs? Because all of the atheists I know couldn't care less about what anyone else believes. We simply don't care. You can believe in whatever you want to believe in. Whatever makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Religion is the reason I can't buy wine on a Sunday for crying out loud!


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The part where he explains that religious people are being forced not to express their beliefs in public. I am not talking about school either, as I am a firm believer in church and state. However, look at the backlash guys like tebow received etc.

IDK about being persecuted, however the part about shoving them in the closet certainly makes sense. I have seen it in my time. I am not religious one bit, I would classify myself as agnostic. I have said before I was atheist, however honestly - I don't know. I have no proof either way. Mostly I just do not like organized religion. But I agree with a lot of what he said minus some of the scripture smile

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Just plain wrong. I'm sure he'll be signing autographs on Air Force 1 soon.


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Hold on. back your ass up, and please explain this one. As a Christian who likes to drink just as much as anybody else on this board you need to explain this one. Just how in the Hell is religion the reason you can't buy booze on Sunday????


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Razor, I am not religious, and there are somethings I do not agree with within your post, but for the most part, I completely understand, agree, and back where you are coming from with this. Well said sir.


I appreciate that you took the time and effort to read such a long post by me. Thank you!


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Maxine made an EXCELLENT speech there! BRAVO Maxine BRAVO!

I'm no fan of hers, but she is right. We can't let certain transgressions stand. I'm not a fan of bothering these folks in restaurants, malls, etc. and I personally would not do it... But if that's what it takes to get their attention, so be it.

And if she hurt your feelings saying "IMPEACH TRUMP!", we on the left don't really care. YOU elected a horrible man as President. Congress is not keeping him in check, the media can't keep him in check, so the people have to do it. Don't like it?, talk to Trump about what he's doing and how he's doing it.



Daman, this is why no one's buying OCD's B.S. "olive branch". He, like so many others on the left try to do this thing where they simultaneously embrace such low tactics and violence, but add the caveat "but I wouldn't do it personally" therefor trying to create this imaginary high road where they think they come off as fair and reasonable thinking people.

One of the biggest criticisms of liberals is that they don't take responsibility. There's a number of things he's written in this thread that unfortunately illustrate just that:

-he wouldn't behave that way, but would certainly welcome the result
-he blames the current climate on Trump, totally ignoring the often stated sentiment of people tired of being treated like crap by liberals for the last 10yrs.
-he makes the claim that we can't converse in a civil manner because of it. BS... how we conduct ourselves is simple matter of choice.


I guess you and I just see it different. I see his olive branch as Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown.


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Religion is the reason I can't buy wine on a Sunday for crying out loud!


Hold on. back your ass up, and please explain this one. As a Christian who likes to drink just as much as anybody else on this board you need to explain this one. Just how in the Hell is religion the reason you can't buy booze on Sunday????


A lot of your Sunday restrictions on alcohol sales are based originally on religious societal norms. I guess 442 doesn't live in a progressive enough State?


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He must not live in Ohio either because you can buy beer, wine, and liquor on Sundays.


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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
He must not live in Ohio either because you can buy beer, wine, and liquor on Sundays.


Not every state has the Cleveland Browns to make Sunday alcohol sales necessary...


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